Archimago wrote:
> I was originally going to respond to the 24/192 discussion with this but
> thought it more apt to start a new topic instead of tangential hijacking
> :-)
>
> I wonder if we've had a good / serious discussion here around the
> question of what as "audiophiles" we're trying to a
garym wrote:
> I'd been looking at this. Looks quite nice and a good price as well as
> you note.
Hi, Gary. If someone is after a neutral sounding DAC it's the equal of
the Metric Halo ULN-8, which I used to run, which many believe is state
of the art for neutrality.
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I just finished test driving a NAD M51 DAC and it's phenomenal. Very
neutral sounding with no harshness at all. Proper bass with open and
realistic soundstaging. It sends out the signal undisturbed. You feed it
great material and life is very good.
I also ran it in preamp mode using its digital
Eric Seaberg wrote:
> IMHO, 88.2 is a stupid SR to use anyway and it's only because of
> laziness on the original mix engineer thinking conversion from 88.2 to
> 44.1 is easier. That may have been the case 6-7 years ago, but not
> anymore. There is no reason higher SR recordings shouldn't stand
pkfox wrote:
> Would they house a 1 Tb drive though ? I want everything in one box.
Yes, many netbooks employ 2.5" drives. Not sure how many come with 1 TB
though. You'd likely have to buy a 1 TB drive separate and install after
the fact.
These days you can grab name brand netbooks for under $200 that are not
only whisper quiet and non obtrusive but which also easily run LMS. I
use a couple of Acer's in dedicated applications and couldn't be
happier.
Pneumon
cfraser wrote:
> Hey Pneumonic, never noticed you here before. Yes, I was thinking of the
> netbook route too, they are essentially being "closed out" these days it
> seems. It's not strictly about $$, but mainly whether I am any further
> ahead with a separate serve
These days you can buy namebrand netbooks for under $200. Oodles of
power, whisper quiet and efficient.
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I own a Transporter as well as a couple of Touch's and have compared
them in a variety of combinations.
On their own, sans external DAC, I much prefer the sound out of the
Transporter. I find it's top end is far superior. Esthetically, I much
prefer the look of the Transporter. Since I am running
mlsstl wrote:
> That's been my experience. I have virtually all of the original
> Sheffield Direct-to-Disk recordings as well as a some of the other D2D
> LPs released in the 1970s. I find they sound the same after conversion
> to digital. I spent many years converting my LP and open reel collect
Guys, keep changing all those font and language settings and you'll end
up with something that sounds exactly like vinyl (to be sure no foul
play . uninstall iZotope Vinyl in case 1 of those font/language
setting changes causes it to run in the background on you).
Ya'll know what'll happen t
y.
Check the free downloads available at this site for quick and easy
proof. Look for the uncompressed offerings. Spectacular sound. If such
sound can be spectacular once then there is no reason it can't be so all
of the time.
http://bluecoastrecords.com/
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hey aren't supposed to be. And, gawd help
you if you are playing vinyl which was previously used (ie degraded) as
it'll have added noise and distortions that are off the chart. You want
to talk about added distortion. Toss this up on a spectrum analyzer and
have a look!
Digital, and any anti alias
music, analog tape/vinyl is completely
obliterating the signal due to tape hiss/noise. It's gone and those
minute nuances in the recording are lost forever.
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nyone who aspires to build a playback system that accurately
reproduces what the recording has to offer, including revealing all the
little details and nuances originally available, this is unacceptable.
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orn out
vinyl, etc, etc), it's a wonder that anyone would ever consider vinyl
as hi-fi in the true sense of the word (ie an accurate representation
of the original).
Saying so, these added colourations and distortions sure can sound
pleasant, and addictive, if they are no longer present in t
Where sound is concerned I find that the DAC of choice matters much like
most other component (speakers excluded) does. Namely important. I keep
a varied collection of DAC's around precisely to coulour sound a certain
way.
- Kerry
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PS in rec room and the last in my
bedroom is a Beresford 7510 mk 6.4 for headphone use.
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.
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s this
> eliminates "micro-ground loops"?
cliveb, one thing I have learned in all the years I have been at this
hobby is that nothing is ever counter-intuitive when it comes to how we
each process the sound that we hear.
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: Are you using the Transporters BALANCED outputs to make
connection to your amp?
- Yes
- No
pfarrell;483412 Wrote:
> Pneumonic wrote:
> > For me I have always used single ended connections with high level
Sean, if I may ask. While studying the various DAC chipsets prior to
deciding on the 4396, did you find that most of the serious contenders
outputted a balanced signal?
Thanks
- Kerry
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> Sonic Fro
: Are you using the Transporters BALANCED outputs to make
connection to your amp?
- Yes
- No
pfarrell;483406 Wrote:
> Pneumonic wrote:
> > I was wondering how many of you use the Transporters balanced outs?
&g
ansformed into unbalanced form, I was
wondering how many of you use the Transporters balanced outs?
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advantages to adding the additional circuitry needed to balance
things out. I suppose from a marketing perspective their are advantages
for manufacturers and such.
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> Sonic Frontiers Ultra Jitterbug > Rok
ended alternative, and having
> two complementary paths is what gives you the common mode noise
> rejection.
Hi, Sean.
Are you saying that the Transporter signals started out balanced
instead of unbalanced? I have never seen that before.
Thanks
- Kerry
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konut;481441 Wrote:
> Heres a guy who thinks the minimum optimal length is 16ft.
> http://www.analogresearch-technology.net/ubyte.html
Interesting. Thanks.
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> Sonic Frontiers Ultra Jitterbug >
pfarrell;481442 Wrote:
> Pneumonic wrote:
> > 1.5m minimum length if you are worried about cable reflections
> possibly
> > causing jitter.
>
> And if you don't believe in jitter, use your 0.5 meter cable and be
> happy.
>
> --
> Pat Farrell
> h
ngth if you are worried about cable reflections possibly
causing jitter.
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Quicksilver Silver 90 Mono Powe
Phil Leigh;470013 Wrote:
> Absolutely - the place to sprinkle euphonic magic fairy dust is in the
> pre-amp...
That's one option but certainly not the only one, Phil.
And what if you don't use a preamp?
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I'd buy it in a nanosecond and use it in conjunction
with my current TP to pretty much cover all I would need or desire at
the digital source level.
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> Sonic Frontiers Ultra Jitterbug > Roksan DAC/PS
My TP wish list would be all audio related and include seeing an
entirely passive, transformer based analog output stage. Maybe
switchable SS/tube output like the Cary stuff for added versatility.
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>
and change
it's sound depending on which DAC i connect to it and how I connect said
DAC. So, I'd tell you that you can definitely change the sound that you
hear but, whether or not that change is for the better is a ?
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$1300 CDN and it's possibly the best
$1300 I have ever spent (and I have spent many vehicles worth of $ on
gear the last 30+ years). I would easily spend the $2k list price for
one and feel like it would be a bargain.
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I'd buy one of those inexpensive tube buffers from Yaqin or Grant
Fidelity. I've seen them used for $75.
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Quicksilver Silver 90
its price class and which
improves upon the sound of a stock classic tenfold.
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Quicksilver Silver 90 Mono Power amps
Martin Logan CLS II
to my Quicksilver power amps
wasn't a good result so I am running it into my preamp. It sounds
awesome as so.
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t of your system
and time should be taken to ensure it does because, when it is
"tuned-up", the sonic rewards are outstanding.
- Kerry
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e effect of warming it up.
>
> Howard
I used to own a Classe DR6. It was a darker sounding pre on it's own.
Point being cabling can add warmth and act as a tone control to tailor
sound to your liking. Regular old Cardas Hexlink IC's sound warmest
straight out of my transporte
I absolutely
love mine.
As for warming things up .. a 2m length of Cardas Lightning 15 digi
cable did the trick for me.
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Quicksilver S
I prefer the CD originals of I, II, III, HOTH, ITTO, Presence and Coda,
that were mastered by Barry Diament, but they all pale in comparison to
my personal needledrops, done with top UK vinyl.
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notorious for fiddling) turns the volume up to maximum and you don't
> notice before switching on and playing Death Magnetic (complete with
> its digital clipping). This seems just as likely a scenario as the
> infamous "burst of white noise".
That's why dedicated room
uipment.
Yes I realize this.
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Martin Logan CLS II Speakers
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only and wanted to go direct I suppose I would have
no choice but to employ external attenuation.
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Martin Logan CLS II Sp
at could potentially
result from a glitch in the volume control system that could
potentially damage my speakers.
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Mar
t at 100.
So, for me anyway, I'm not in need of much, if any, external
attenuation.
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ide in the manual.
I agree also that a strong warning should be issued.
As mentioned previously . I don't think it's at all uncommon for SD
customers to run their SD devices direct into amps without any form of
external attenuation (protection). I know I wasn't aware of the ri
irect into your power amp without any form of
external attenuation.
BTW, I absolutely love my TP (and I also love my 3 SB's as well) and
commend you guys on an absolutely fantastic product. I just wish I
could run my units direct, without any external attenuation, into my
power amp without
ng specifically of the Wadia DAC's (as opposed to their
transport line) which successfully employ digital volume attentuation
and which don't seem to suffer any unexpected loud noise issues because
of glitches.
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oint is one shouldn't have to worry about possibly blowing
your speakers up if the device fails to perform properly and emits loud
noise.
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f digital volume control by other audio
companies don't have such problems so technically something must be
amiss with SD's implementation, no?
At any rate, the potential "noise" issue is obviously an undesirable
situation for those who do run direct and I wonder what, if anythin
e bring in some Wadia designers to
get it right?
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o the power amp? How
many of those who voted with a Y wish to retract their vote and go N?
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S.A.R. Labs MOS 450 Power
Martin Logan CL
(inefficient) Logans in a
largish room so the volume level is fine. Most of the time I'm between
80-90 on the volume setting.
This weekend I'll experiment direct into my SFS 80 power amp (Zin =
100k, 0.95v for 80w) and see how that goes.
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Squeezebox 3 > So
ous how many other people have removed what might very well be
an unnecessary, or at least possibly a redundant, component from their
audio chain.
Those who have succeeded are encouraged to list the components that
they have used to go direct.
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t only if the gain staging is correct - and that usually
> involves adding some passive attenuators.
Sorry for the confusion. Attenuator would include passive or even
active stages.
I have altered the question to reflect this.
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: Direct to power amp?
- Yes
- No
For those who do go direct, what is the input impedance of your power
amp?
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Modwrigh
: Direct to power amp?
- Yes
- No
Simple question.
Do you plug your Squeezebox or Transporter direct into your power amp
bypassing your preamp/attenuator setup in the process?
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Tom, this is the weekend I play switcheroo and plug my Transporter
directly into my SAR Labs power amp. I'll give it a couple weeks so
that I adjust.
I'm also gonna d/l a few of the hi rez Chesky material available at
http://www.hdtracks.com/index.php
and give them a whirl.
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I've ripped over 2k CeeDee's with EAC and never had a single problem.
AFAIC, it's still numero uno.
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a lessor (much less $) Les Paul from the store owner.
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Very cool, Michael.
Stick a strat in his hands when he's 2, keep feeding him the tunes, and
he'll be the next Joe Bonamassa before you know it.
-Kerry
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Son
27;s would do for things . but alas, few can
afford to equip this amp with them.
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ning in the SF?
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Eli
ich I'd prefer to keep in the chain as it is an amazing sounding
amp.
Thanks
-Kerry
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ralphpnj;343777 Wrote:
> Thanks, Pneumonic
>
> Excellent post. While running comparative listening tests can be fun,
> all the work it takes to set them up is not fun and I really appreciate
> all the hassle you must have gone through to run the tests.
>
> The results don
ges to act as a treble tone control. It would be interesting to try
this same comparison with my Sonic Frontiers power amp in the equation
so that the Transporter plugs in directly to it. Maybe next week I'll
give this a whirl.
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M
et
the CAA Mod by COEM Audio. I have this modded DAC and it sounds
awesome. Only cost me $400!
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a single chance to
listen to each test tones. In real life I listen to subject matter
oodles of times and am intimately familiar with the material.
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Quick question. Should I bother taking the test even though I'll be
taking the test while listening through my crappy laptop speakers and
soundcard which aren't close to being representative of what I would
listen to my music on?
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rooms over the years. At least for the genre of music (blues,
jazz and vocals) that I most enjoy these days.
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hrough girlfriends, it was all about the
show. 30 years later, I'm just happy my ears work as they used too.
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sons
ears/mind does with the info that they receive from said system.
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darrenyeats;338985 Wrote:
> How do you know they have the same mastering, is it stated in the liner
> somewhere? Honest question.
> Darren
Honest answer. Not 100% sure on all of them.
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SF
depth
dimension.
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ssed through a
> 16/44 ADC/DAC. And that's exactly what they did in the study opaqueice
> mentioned (the same study where no-one could detect the difference, a
> conclusion based on over 500 tests).
> Darren
I have done the comparison with hybrids. Same mastering but with
redboo
have quite a few recordings that I actually prefer the
sound if its MP3 or Vorbis or Musepack.
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have tried other speakers but
always return to a Logan, or a Quad.
BTW, if you want punchier Aerius sound you could always sell your
Aerius and replace them with a pair of Sequels or Quests.
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t well worth it if sound
quality is your highest criteria.
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> then I came with transporter (playing WAV ripped with EAC secure mode)
> and the REDGUM RGi120ENR and they were just stunning.
I'm curious why you are using wav files and not FLAC's or ape's?
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> knowing the only consume ~7 watts when playing loud
~7 watts only? Are you sure?
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out yourself.
http://www.ambiencespeakers.com.au/
Good luck in your hunt for speakers.
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separates thru to
a stock Squeezebox 3. Expectantly the Squeezebox was the least
impressive source of the 3 but still very good.
It's a shame REDGUM isn't more well known for they have incredible
products. And the REDGUM company is a pleasure to deal with, especially
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