Julf wrote:
> I wasn't thinking just about the presence/level of background hiss, but
> also the "colour" of it. Because of the RIAA equalization, vinyl hiss
> (unlike tape and digital) is not uniform white noise, but a nice shade
> of pink.
I've wondered this. Add some pink noise just above the
Apesbrain wrote:
> ...and we're all "audiophiles". Some of us draw a line at the
> "pseudo-sciency" stuff and others don't. If you've happy with your
> decisions, what does it matter?
That doesn't seem to be what's reflected around here. There are
"audiophiles", and there are those who use the
I got a couple of receivers for about £30-40. Most people want the ones
with buttons and displays!
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Mnyb wrote:
> You dont need to rely on that look at the measurments , far better than
> the recordings most plays and far better than human hearing ( in the
> very best humans in a home settling maybe at 13 bits a good day )
I don't disagree. But I am sure I can tell the difference.. therefore
w
This is it, is got to be too simplistic to say they all sound the same.
I am inclined to think that all DAC chips *can* sound the same -
assuming they have equal quality power supplies and are driving a
particularly easy load, but that's not the real world.
(My pre amp is not passive btw.)
Sent
Well, truth is I haven't proved it to myself either way, but so far I'm
of the opinion that I can tell the diff between the DACs I've tried out.
One is certainly flawed, or "tuned" at least to sound a particular way.
The other two the differences were ultra subtle but I do believe they
are there.
I remain sceptical that a test designed solely to make it hard to tell
the difference is representative of long term differentiation
capability. But that's just my opinion and we are very aware that many
people disagree with that.
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Mnyb wrote:
> Ok thats put things into perspective , portable speaker ok :)
Battery powered should be better. It was voltage regulation on the audio
circuit that was pretty poor. They fixed that when the "+" models came
out.
edwardthern wrote:
> In some places [where I only need background music] I use Android 7"
> tablets with Squeeze Player App and a SB control like Squeezer. For $40
> I have a touch screen display and I can use Bluetooth speakers for a
> neat set up. Other places like in my office I want a little
Indeed, but... why pay more unless you need more? If you just want a LMS
compatible music player and don't need a display or any other features,
then a SBR or even a chromecast audio is the cheapest way.
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DAC setup, more reliable and all the in/outputs you need..
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> Variations between two identical Dacs.
>
> Surely you can think better than that
>
> Try reading my DBT example a little slower, you will plainly see the
> 'only' variables were MPD and SL.
I don't recall you saying you'd defeated all coded DSP or replaygain
settings, b
Ultimately, need to work out whether the ones and zeros are properly
recovered at the DAC from the source files. Variations due to e.g.
replaygain, digital volume corrections, any DSP actions at all, and
certainly resampling would be a cause of a perceptible difference.
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(Which doesn't mean they all sound the same.)
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*Can* sound better, as it will allow the DAC to operate using its own
internal clock.
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garym wrote:
> If you're using an external DAC with your transporter, sell the
> transporter. ;)
Exactly. Transporter is a high end DAC bolted on to a bog standard
squeezebox streamer. If you're not using its DAC it's an expensive
digital source.
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Lucmichaud wrote:
> I recently tried a SPL Director. There was a marked impovement when
> connecting it straight from a NAS to it though USB, but the improvement
> was barely audible when going from the Transporter reading the data wifi
> from my Surface pro 3 tablet using spdif.
I'm not sure wh
No, I got that, I seem to be able to read. But my point is this. It's
you who decided you have to get up at 6am at the weekend, not the
vendor. Most normal people can manage to arrange a collection or post
something without making a huge fuss about it.
I agree that they should pay return post if
Hmm. Your customers are ok with a double shipped item? I don't. I want
something that hasn't been borrowed and "tested", thanks. If I buy new I
expect direct from factory shipped.
So, looks like this thread is going nowhere. OP won't post it, says it's
too hard, despite vendor offering to pay. If
Have to agree with one thing here - not their fault you have to travel
so far to return the item.
On the other hand I think the vendor has to take on all costs. They sent
the wrong item, their fault entirely, so they will pay the shipping for
that item. No way whatsoever I would ever pay any ship
Screw the Sun and its world war three rhetoric.
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It would cost less if you weighed things in kilos.. ;)
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They will pay return shipping I'm sure as it was an honest mistake, but
I think you are being rather difficult if you are going to invoice them
for returning it when you're not offering an easier collection choice. I
understand your frustration, but mistakes are easy to make and they made
only one
Indeed. When viewed on Tapatalk it has a sub heading that says
"11bytes". That must be using special MQA compression then.
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Pick up from your work? Pre declared documentation? Don't know, just an
idea..
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You can arrange a pick up at your leisure..
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Julf wrote:
> I think there has been a fair bit of that too. Just see the postings
> from Archimago.
Yes, I've read some of those, they are very interesting.
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Julf wrote:
> Some measurements to illustrate my point:
>
> 21514
I don't believe this image fits into 11 bytes. Or is that just the
filename...? :)
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Doing measurements maybe. But I don't want to do measurements. I want
the smart sceptics who have already done the measurements to share their
conclusions about what they decided to buy and let us try it for
ourselves.
dr
kidstypike wrote:
> Not "different", it's always "better", and the more it costs, the better
> it gets.
Yeah this is difficult. The shops I've dealt with have generally
acknowledged that things like the "naim sound" for example is an
acquired taste and not a truly sonically uncoloured solution, s
alfista wrote:
> Yet someone made the claim that a file sounded different the second time
> it was read and didn't like it being called out and refuted based on
> easily verified facts It was subjective, you know, so it shouldn't have
> to stand up to scrutiny.
I think it's more the way it's cal
Yes obviously those analogies were not supposed to be taken seriously,
much like most of this thread.
Much like the analogy in another thread of a picture in a book being the
same no matter how many times you open the book to look at it.
Irrelevant.
I am glad you don your colourful sceptic under
I wonder if there is such a thing as a "car fanatic sceptic"? After all,
cars are reviewed based on totally subjective criteria repeatedly and we
all laugh at Top Gear's cool wall but it's all just bull. Every single
one of them is just a box with seats in that goes from A to B. No
measurable diff
Sansui must sell a lot of crap hifi to sceptics if everything sounds the
same..
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Well there is the Mytek that is called a "pre-amp version" but is
actually a DAC too...
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Is it Teddy Pardo?
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Obviously they want to sell you the preamp, it saves them return
postage..
But it seems quite simple. They sent the wrong product. You will get
your money back, and you don't even have to return the product, just
make it available for them to collect.
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Mnyb wrote:
> You pretty much have to jack the prices . It really does not cost much
> to make a good enough cable for any hifi aplication .
> So thTs the snake oil its well inown electrical engineering how to make
> a cable .
It's low volume economics too. Any company making a product in the UK
"hearing the difference". Well there's lots of stuff I'm pretty sure I
can hear the difference on. Like different speaker cables. Moving my
speakers a foot or so. Using a totally different DAC.
I am yet to be convinced that I heard any difference whatsoever by
changing any digital-only components
Some of it is snake oil. The issue is telling the difference between
stuff that's genuinely well made with a purpose attached to it, and the
stuff where they just added a glossier logo and doubled the price
knowing full well they are just grabbing more money for NO REASON.
Trouble is it's genuinel
The 780s were pretty small. But for bass response you will always be
restricted if you can't accommodate something physically larger. Unless
you get something with an active amp built in. A B&W zeppelin type
thing.
drmatt
Really depends on taste. Richer Sounds is a great place to spend a
moderate amount of money on decent hifi though.
Personally I would take half that cash and buy some old square Mission
780s.
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Regardless of the limitations of the messy digital treatment on display
here I would say DACs sound different. If there's a reason you don't
like the sound from the Transporter as a DAC then by all means find
something else, but I would say that even now the TP is still pretty
state of the art whe
Evidence on the internet is that the Transporter DAC is actually
extremely high quality with ultra low noise and ultra low distortion. So
would you notice an objective improvement? Likely not. Given that music
is entirely a subjective thing however you may well find a subjective
improvement by try
You could write a module for LMS that can calculate replaygain on files
before it plays them, but you'd need a fairly beefy system to use it
live. Better off doing an offline sweep of all your files and
calculating and applying it that way.
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Mp3gain *can* also adjust the Id3 tags and leave the audio data alone. I
know it used to default to modifying the audio data but I believe it
defaults to the opposite behaviour now.
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One point dawns on me. Unless you've written the gain tags into the
files LMS won't apply any corrections. You have to have processed and
written the gain tags into the source files first. Smart Gain just reads
and applies those.
cliveb wrote:
> The power companies are obliged by the government to support the scheme,
> and the money it costs them is obtained by a "renewables surcharge" on
> the power bills. So in effect, people without solar panel systems are
> subsidising those who have them. It's another disgraceful exa
The state of the art is to apply a uniform replaygain to your source
files. If that's not perfect (it isn't) then you are only left with
manual intervention. I've just thrown metaflac at each album one by one
with its default target loudness level of about -3db peak I think. Works
well enough to g
Which I already said... :)
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cliveb wrote:
> I don't see how there's anything dumb about this. The whole point of
> Unix is that it's built from lots of uncomplicated components (that you
> might like to classify as "dumb"), and it's the way you combine them
> that results in "clever" outcomes.
>
> cp has no knowledge of wh
Julf wrote:
> And why wouldn't it be? Not much damage anyone can do with it...
Oh I don't know, I like it when people copy dev null to their hard drive
instead of the other way around.
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DJanGo wrote:
> Hmmm
> All linux systems that i am aware of didnt allow a user to use
> /dev/null.
Not sure I agree with this statement. /dev/null is writeable by all,
always.
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Julf wrote:
> Thanks for verifying that!
So cp is too dumb to not write. Things like "tar" are smarter. If it
can't seek on output it doesn't even bother reading the input. That's
been a thorn in my side on numerous occasions in the past too..
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You would have to check the system call activity behind this command.
You might find that the cp command recognises that its output is invalid
and never does the reads from the source file. Secondly note that the
kernel will read-ahead when the first byte is read from a file, to the
tune of quite
AV setups need a basic understanding of where to send bass if nothing
else.. A lot of rear speakers are very small.
I've seen comments about setting up filters for LMS yeah. Question is
how to get started creating that filter I suppose.
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What tech do you need to implement a room correction setup?
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Bigger as in more powerful, I meant. Which usually means better power
supply overhead, which usually means bigger dynamics and slightly better
bass impact.
Usually. There are exceptions to every postulated rule.
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Julf wrote:
> Indeed. My question was somewhat rhetorical.
Isn't room correction a glorified tone control anyway, albeit one where
the controls are handed off to a microphone instead? For most people,
buying a bigger amp is a glorified tone control, as it usually provides
a bigger bass..
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> Is it in any way different from tone controls and equalizers (that tend
> to be looked down upon by audiophiles)?
Imho it's not. At least it's done fully digitally so is theoretically
not degradatious (a new word, made by me. Like it?) compared to
traditional analogue tone controls
There are plenty of solutions for remote streaming wireless audio and
video, but I'm not sure what it's got to do with the squeezebox
ecosystem or, indeed, an audiophile solution. Perhaps try a car audio
forum for people with more experience of this type of thing?
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Sounds like we need a scripted analysis and correction system that can
be pointed at a large flac archive and locate and fix the worst
offenders..
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Bloody sound engineers.
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If you've done all that and you're still not happy .. your next step
would be to try a different amplifier, IMHO. Arcam aren't known for
being harsh, quite the opposite in fact, but I don't know much about the
Azur range. In general the speakers have by far the biggest influence on
the final sound
If you are using an offboard DAC I would not bother upgrading the Touch
PSU at all, it won't make the slightest difference. Generally, if you
don't like the way it sounds at the moment your best bet would be to
a)make sure everything is working properly and then b) get some
different speakers.
So where is the practical HiFi magazine that tells us how not to buy
overpriced nonsense?
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The only "advantage" if you can call it that is that a bit freeze allows
you to stick with a standardised packaging method such as 24/48k flac
and still get the space compression benefit. So some recordings that are
worthy of it would retain 20 "unfrozen" bits, the rest would retain only
16 or som
The only supposedly unique aspect of MQA is the use of custom filters to
"correct" the minor variations between the specific encoding ADC and the
specific decoding DAC used in the listeners specific playback chain. It
only works for those recordings where this is known and where there was
no inter
I can see the point in NOT saving tens of bits of random entropy in my
audio files, but isn't bit freezing just a funky name for truncation...
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LMS can define a player to receive only one channel, either left or
right. Assuming your source is mono anyway, this is enough. Then
disconnect one speaker.. :)
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Big boys toys.
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Genius... Surely the discerning audiophile goes straight to batteries as
a power source anyway?
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Julf wrote:
> True. But then you have places like Finland, where even a cheap pre-pay
> 4G mobile connection is much faster than that.
If they aren't careful 4G will become the defacto replacement for wired
home broadband.. people investing in wires should take note and pull
their bloody fingers
Bah, get over it. It's another smart compression algorithm that puts all
the goodies from a 24/192 files into a 16/44. What's not to like? Apart
from the license fee of course... :)
On the other hand I can say I will probably never buy or hear an mqa
device/file, so I find myself not really carin
On the topic of broadband.. Well I can say that there are still plenty
of parts of the UK and US, supposed to be highly developed economies,
where broadband speeds are struggling to reach the 8mbit recommended for
Netflix..
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ralphpnj wrote:
> Quack! Quack!
But as a sceptic it's your job to disprove fud... ;)
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Fair enough, where do they say it's audible? They quote studies that
show that very short time frame temporal information CAN be discerned by
a listener but how does this relate to music?
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Funny. It's a duck. So to disprove the value of this duck is very much
to show that the temporal information on the timescales talked about is
either irrelevant (I.e. physically incapable of being heard) or is
preserved in standard recording/playback techniques anyway without mqa
help.
There's a
I'm waiting for a refutation rather than name calling...
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Yeah, and stick it on a power meter if you have one. If nothing else
it'll tell you the power leak rate.
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In my experience when items start getting hot for no reason it's leaking
current to a faulty grounded device.
Unplug the cables and see if it still gets so hot. (Uhhh apart from the
power one of course!)
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cliveb wrote:
> The first stereo amp I ever bought back in the early 1970s had that. It
> was an Alba (the model number was something like "UA700")
> so it was in effect a "variable loudness button".
Cunning.. From an old British name in TV, back when they were a real
name not just a b
cliveb wrote:
> I don't see how that can work. Different people like to listen to their
> music at very different levels.
> One man's "too quiet" is another lady's "TURN IT DOWN!!" (well, in my
> house, anyway :-)
This is of course true but if the mix was done to cater for a particular
volume lev
cliveb wrote:
> And the crucial word here is *consistently*. If you run a trial with 20
> people, it is statisically very likely that one of them will "pass the
> test". What then needs to be done is to repeat the test and have *the
> same person* pass the test again. If they don't, it's just a s
ralphpnj wrote:
> I don't understand the fascination with THX. THX is simply a label that
> is available for purchase along with a set of loosely defined
> "standards". Pay the money (aka licensing fee) and the THX label is
> yours whether or not the "standards" have been met.
>
Yeah, I realise
Mnyb wrote:
> And on the other hand there is hardly no such quest for better records ?
> Well there is a handful of audiophile labels , but they hardly record
> anything anyone would listen to anyway ?
>
> Priority must be to make better sounding records as >99% of what's ever
> recorded would n
pablolie wrote:
> So if 90% of people were to admit they can't hear a difference no matter
> how hard they try, the best thing is to listen to the 10% who can, and
> if 6 of them get lucky, we've proven it's possible to tell a difference?
> :-)
Well .. yes .. for the parameters of the study. Ass
cliveb wrote:
> I am very pessimistic about recharge times ever getting short enough.
> Not because of limitations in battery technology, but because of the
> practical limits of how much power you can feed in during recharging.
> 200 miles range requires about 50kWh - that's not going to change,
cliveb wrote:
> I cannot see any prospect of ever being able to charge up batteries fast
> enough.
I think that with a few more years development in battery tech and a
standardised fast charge network they could actually be viable for all
but the longest range drivers. Replace every existing pet
pablolie wrote:
> And who exclude those who state they can't hear a difference from the
> study...
Well, given the aims of the study, this is a legit statistical
technique. It might sound like cherry picking but when the point of the
study is to show only that *some* people can tell it's allowabl
toby10 wrote:
> I love the idea of electric cars, I've driven several just for fun
> (sadly not a Tesla). It is just not a practical vehicle for me and
> obviously many others.
I've driven a few, and frankly they are all unacceptable compromises -
except the Tesla.
Have to say however the Tesl
So far Tesla are reporting capacity loss nowhere near 20% on even the
earliest cars. More like 7-10%.
I don't think there's any doubt that cars other than the Tesla and its
supercharger network are not serious contenders for long journeys.
Also note that Tesla are starting to engineer battery p
cliveb wrote:
> .. simply can't afford to wait around for half an hour every 90 mins.
Ok but be fair if you plan your long journey right and land on
superchargers you get more like 3 or 4 hours between half hour charges
with a high capacity Tesla. For the smaller battery cars they just won't
hac
cliveb wrote:
> We have all grown up expecting to pull into a filling station and be on
> our way in a few minutes. So the paradigm shift needed for electric cars
> to become mainstream is the discovery of some way to recharge them very
> quickly.[]
>
> In the meantime, electric cars will be
Many million dollar supercars are bettered, in practical performance
terms by a $85k Tesla Model S. People still buy supercars.
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It is quite normal for an unregulated power supply to drop output
voltage quite significantly when it's put under load. That may not be
your issue. It is a cheap test, however.
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..can't see your .sig on the Tapatalk client, so I didn't know that..
But I also don't care why you bought your DAC.. you appear to be a grown
adult and it's therefore none of my business..
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pablolie wrote:
> As to the same recording in 16/44 vs 24/192... nah.
Given that many DACs can't really resolve much more than 16 bits and you
can't hear above 20khz this is not a surprise. Though maybe you have a
very good DAC?
I think the study defines CD quality as 16/44 uncompressed (or los
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