Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread epoch1970
Jeff07971 wrote: > Isn't that just integrating LMS and Shazam ? :) Damn. I was trying to avoid plagiarizing Alexa and didn't see the obvious. I don't know how Shazam reacts to the harmonica or to beat boxing, though. I'm sure we could have a plugin for that. 4 SB 3 • Libratone Zipp Mini • iPe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread Jeff07971
epoch1970 wrote: > I'd rather use a microphone. Then you'd be free to use any old > gramophone to control your stereo. And if you could sing the song, > perhaps the Pi could recognize that too, just in case the gramo breaks > down. Success!? Isn't that just integrating LMS and Shazam ? :) *Pl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread Julf
epoch1970 wrote: > I'd rather use a microphone. Then you'd be free to use any old > gramophone to control your stereo. And if you could sing the song, > perhaps the Pi could recognize that too, just in case the gramo breaks > down. Success!? Great idea! Perhaps leave a recorder or harmonica next

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread epoch1970
Julf wrote: > How about a cheap USB vinyl player, and a RPi that analyzes the music to > identify the track and album in order to play the digital version? :) I'd rather use a microphone. Then you'd be free to use any old gramophone to control your stereo. And if you could sing the song, perhaps

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread audiomuze
I definitely don't miss physical media and much prefer my listening room without a cd lined wall. I find the biggest problem is just how large my collection has become over the years, so much so that I've forgotten what lies at the core of my musical tastes. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (htt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread mdconnelly
Flipping through albums on a shelf is a physical effort that I often miss (CDs not so much).Trying to emulate that on a phone will never work well. Doing so on a laptop or tablet comes closer with software that will display reasonable-sized album art that you can scroll through. I always lik

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread garym
cliveb wrote: > One other thing. Sometimes I'll be in the middle of listening to one > album and another album pops into my head that I want to hear next. It > may be related, but other times nothing at all to do with the current > one. From then on, while I still want to hear the rest of the cur

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread Julf
epoch1970 wrote: > I had an idea that a coffee table book, one album per page with a > printed bar code to play or add to the playlist would be a nice, > relaxed, and nearly offline interface to LMS. > Having experienced an intolerable amount of pain achieving mass > generation of reasonably good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread epoch1970
cliveb wrote: > ... nor can I envisage any interface that would be capable of doing it. I had an idea that a coffee table book, one album per page with a printed bar code to play or add to the playlist would be a nice, relaxed, and nearly offline interface to LMS. Having experienced an intolerabl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread Julf
cliveb wrote: > One other thing. Sometimes I'll be in the middle of listening to one > album and another album pops into my head that I want to hear next. It > may be related, but other times nothing at all to do with the current > one. From then on, while I still want to hear the rest of the cur

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-18 Thread cliveb
The one thing I miss about the days of physical media is that my CDs used to be in a great big wall rack arranged alphabetically like books. I would wander up to it and let my eyes do a sort of "random walk", flitting around the CD spines until I happened upon an album that took my fancy. No digit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-17 Thread pablolie
My music listening is typically based on my looking through folders, and remembering "oh wow totally forgot about this". I also regularly erase many playlists I got bored off and kinda start from scratch. I do have a folder with "Best of" micro-playlists for all my age long favorites, and regularl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-17 Thread mlsstl
Thanks for the insight, mdconnelly. I've got over 5,500 albums in my collection with 57,000 some-odd tracks and rarely have a problem finding what I want. I suspect Roon is certainly a boon when one is exploring connections one didn't know about or wandering idly around. And, I appreciate that if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-17 Thread mdconnelly
I grew up listening to music by first selecting what I wanted to listen to and then cueing it up.As my collection grew, I would occasionally flip through my bins of albums, later CDs, seeing if something hit my fancy. I organized albums by genre and even had a bin of "favorites". This worke

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-17 Thread Mnyb
garym wrote: > I'd say no, you haven't missed anything. Perhaps the idea that it is a > server that is agnostic to many different player endpoints but is > fortunately NOT generic/not useful DLNA. Yes that ambition to play on almost any endpoint (expect upnp/dlna) Julf wrote: > But you are sti

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-17 Thread audiomuze
Julf wrote: > But you are still at the mercy of a provider of a proprietary system. :( > Yes, you are insofar as the software is concerned. From a hardware perspective you're free to make your own decisions and from an underlying audio library perspective Roon leaves all that untouched...so at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-17 Thread audiomuze
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > list

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-17 Thread audiomuze
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > list

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-17 Thread Julf
garym wrote: > I'd say no, you haven't missed anything. Perhaps the idea that it is a > server that is agnostic to many different player endpoints but is > fortunately NOT generic/not useful DLNA. But you are still at the mercy of a provider of a proprietary system. :( "To try to judge the re

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread garym
mlsstl wrote: > I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong > points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to > bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. > > The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to > list

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread mlsstl
I've looked at Roon and am not sure I'm interested. Its two strong points seem to be an attractive graphic interface and the ability to bring its own, additional metadata (tags) to the party. The first item is kind of a "meh" for me -- I play my stereo in order to listen to music and the LMS/Squ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread audiomuze
I wouldn't worry about the Roon dev team pursuing trivial developments, they know their oats. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DAC MKI' (http://vivereaudio.com/post/2013/08/16/DAC-I-is-Born!.aspx) | 'ATC SCA2' (http://www.atcloudspeakers.co.uk/hi-fi/electronics/source-pre-amplifiers/sca2/) | 'ATC SCM100AS

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread Mnyb
mdconnelly wrote: > I've been running Roon and LMS for several months... They cannot coexist > which means having to shut one down to use the other. I'll tell you > that switching between them is a royal pain in that it occasionally (but > not always) leaves the Squeezebox end-points unrecognize

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread mdconnelly
I've been running Roon and LMS for several months... They cannot coexist which means having to shut one down to use the other. I'll tell you that switching between them is a royal pain in that it occasionally (but not always) leaves the Squeezebox end-points unrecognized by either Roon nor LMS re

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread Mnyb
garym wrote: > And "audiophiles" (used in the original sense and not in the audiophool > sense) also care deeply about the music itself, the artists, the > relationships across artists and genres, etc. And roon has a very nice > interaction with databases that provide a rich source of information

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread garym
Mnyb wrote: > Suggest history , the current roon userbase , the band of early adopters > you see on thier forum are all about soundquality and messing around > with thier computers as players . That will probably change when the > amount of network devices gain more ground . > Roon started early

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread Julf
Mnyb wrote: > Interesting is it any good? This AES67? It is pretty good for what it was designed for, audio-over-IP interoperability - "The aim was emphatically not to provide the structure for a new, comprehensive media distribution system". Developed by a committee, but pretty much following

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread Mnyb
SBGK wrote: > why is this thread in Audiophiles forum ? > > Thought it was well established that software doesn't affect sq. > > Should be in General discussion or 3rd party software. > > eg > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104044-Roon-a-SqueezeBox-ecosystem-alternative Sugges

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread SBGK
why is this thread in Audiophiles forum ? Thought it was well established that software doesn't affect sq. Should be in General discussion or 3rd party software. eg http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104044-Roon-a-SqueezeBox-ecosystem-alternative Touch optimisations http://touchs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread Mnyb
audiomuze wrote: > Nope, with the release of Roon Bridge you can now sync any devices on > your network. Cool ! Can it be installed under Linux too and run headless ? That must be some work to get to work if you have squeezeboxes , meridian gear and some AirPlay stuff and a bunch of others :/ th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread audiomuze
Mnyb wrote: > The meaningful thing for roon to do would be to make RAAT open source . > > Now they have some certification program btw and try to uphold some QC > over how endpoints behave which is both good and bad , two different > ways of doing stuff .AFAIK the SDK is free to hardware manufac

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread audiomuze
Mnyb wrote: > Afaik they don't sync between different supported hardware ? > > You can sync up all your squeezeboxes or all your meridian endpoints or > auralics or sonic orbiters sound cards USB DAC's etc Nope, with the release > of Roon Bridge you can now sync any devices on your network.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: > Ouch, so yet another proprietary solution. Too bad. > > Fortunately at least the pro world seems to be going AES67 architecture > so that we are not dependent on single-vendor proprietary protocols. Interesting is it any good ? This AES67 ? I do understand one reason everyone lea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread Julf
audiomuze wrote: > 'RAAT (Roon Advanced Audio Transport)' (https://kb.roonlabs.com/RAAT) Ouch, so yet another proprietary solution. Too bad. Fortunately at least the pro world seems to be going AES67 architecture so that we are not dependent on single-vendor proprietary protocols. "To try t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-16 Thread Mnyb
Afaik they don't sync between different supported hardware ? You can sync up all your squeezeboxes or all your meridian endpoints or auralics or sonic orbiters sound cards USB DAC's etc . Still on the fence to even try yet :confused: they do have stiff hardware demands for a music server and UI

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-15 Thread audiomuze
Julf wrote: > What protocols does it use?'RAAT (Roon Advanced Audio Transport)' > (https://kb.roonlabs.com/RAAT) Roon supports many different kinds of output devices, including: - RoonReady Networked devices. - Connected outputs, including USB DACs, sound cards, and built-in outputs - AirPlay d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-15 Thread Julf
audiomuze wrote: > Roon 1.2, incorporating full Linux/x64 and Linux/armv7hf support (as > Music Server and as transport/ endpoint), Internet Radio, iPhone and > Android apps and synchronised playback across all endpoints grouped into > a zone (regardless of whether it's a DAC, an AVR etc. etc..

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-04-15 Thread audiomuze
Roon 1.2, incorporating full Linux/x64 and Linux/armv7hf support (as Music Server and as transport/ endpoint), Internet Radio, iPhone and Android apps and synchronised playback across all endpoints grouped into a zone (regardless of whether it's a DAC, an AVR etc. etc.. SqueezeWand | 'Vivere DA

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-13 Thread Mnyb
Ok that was clear Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-13 Thread Audiotic
Mnyb wrote: > Not yet , awaiting a Linux version before i try . > > Btw can some expand on have the sofware works headless/remotely ie the > interface is not on the machine running it ? > > Web UI other UI and ofcourse apps . And is there any setup chore that > must be done from a desktop UI ?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-13 Thread audiomuze
Mnyb wrote: > Btw can some expand on have the sofware works headless/remotely ie the > interface is not on the machine running it ? > > Web UI other UI and ofcourse apps . And is there any setup chore that > must be done from a desktop UI ?Roon functionality comes in Desktop, headless > server

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-12 Thread mdconnelly
Have to concur with Audiomuze and Audiotic... bought the Roon lifetime and love it, both for what it is today, and what it is rapidly evolving into. The fact that I can use Roon with my multiple Squeezeboxes is pretty amazing and was enough for me to jump on the Roon bandwagon back in December.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-12 Thread Mnyb
Zombie wrote: > So I can install Roon on my NAS and forget about LMS? Not yet , awaiting a Linux version before i try . Btw can some expand on have the sofware works headless/remotely ie the interface is not on the machine running it ? Web UI other UI and ofcourse apps . And is there any setup

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-11 Thread Audiotic
audiomuze wrote: > Bought a lifetime Roon license and haven't looked back. Currently using > Squeezelite running on Wandboard Quads as transports. Once Roon Bridge > is released I doubt I'd continue using Squeezelite. Roon aside, LMS > remains the best and most versatile music server I've ever

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-11 Thread Zombie
So I can install Roon on my NAS and forget about LMS? Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105146

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-07 Thread ralphpnj
audiomuze wrote: > Bloody hell, and I thought I had issues :P Oh you still have issues, it's just that I have bigger issues :) audiomuze wrote: > Given the size of your library I'd suggest you point Roon to a > subsection to get a fewel for it during the trial period. It analyses > the audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-07 Thread audiomuze
ralphpnj wrote: > Thanks for the very informative post. You answered many of my questions. > And for the record, my music library has 42k albums and 550k tracksBloody > hell, and I thought I had issues :P Given the size of your library I'd suggest you point Roon to a subsection to get a few

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-07 Thread ralphpnj
audiomuze wrote: > What do you term "rather large"? I'm running 22.6k albums/ 334k tracks > located on an Arch Linux based i3. Roon's running on win server 2012 R2 > on an old Asus P5E64 WS Pro board (iX38 Intel ICH9R chipset) with 8GB > DDR3-1333, Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 and it's very resp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-06 Thread audiomuze
ralphpnj wrote: > ...handles my rather large music library. Basically what really > intrigues my about Roon is the rich and robust metadata along with, as > you so nicely put it, the leveraging of that metadata enhance one's > listening experience, an area where Muso, though pretty good, still >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-06 Thread adyc
Roon do not handle classical music as well as LMS with custom browse/scan plugins. They also acknowledge this weakness. Unless they improve on this aspect, I will stick with LMS. adyc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
audiomuze wrote: > I am, I have a perpetual license somewhere in an email as I was one of > the original testers. I haven't used it in some time though as I'm > principally a Linux user. > > Roon basically embodies just about everything I could want from a music > server, it's metadata rich, it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-06 Thread audiomuze
ralphpnj wrote: > First are you familiar with Muso?I am, I have a perpetual license somewhere > in an email as I was one of the original testers. I haven't used it in some time though as I'm principally a Linux user. Roon basically embodies just about everything I could want from a music serve

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-06 Thread ralphpnj
audiomuze wrote: > Bought a lifetime Roon license and haven't looked back. Currently using > Squeezelite running on Wandboard Quads as transports. Once Roon Bridge > is released I doubt I'd continue using Squeezelite. Roon aside, LMS > remains the best and most versatile music server I've ever

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-06 Thread audiomuze
Bought a lifetime Roon license and haven't looked back. Currently using Squeezelite running on Wandboard Quads as transports. Once Roon Bridge is released I doubt I'd continue using Squeezelite. Roon aside, LMS remains the best and most versatile music server I've ever encountered. Long live L

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A nice review of the Roon software

2016-02-05 Thread ralphpnj
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/roon-11-computer-audio-playback-software/ A very thorough and pretty good review of the Roon 1.1 software, at least until the reviewer gets to the part about how Roon sounds. Note my comments (under Ralph Pantuso). In any event, the review is worth readin