Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-28 Thread robinbowes
Pat Farrell;223369 Wrote: > Robin Bowes wrote: > > Actually, SNR is the power ratio of the signal to the noise, i.e. > > Actually, it is either power or amplitude, you just have to change the > > multiplier from 20 to 10 *Actually* it's the power ratio or the square of the RMS amplitude, i.e.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-28 Thread Pat Farrell
Robin Bowes wrote: > Actually, SNR is the power ratio of the signal to the noise, i.e. Actually, it is either power or amplitude, you just have to change the multiplier from 20 to 10 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http:/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-28 Thread Robin Bowes
Pat Farrell wrote: > Technically: > Say you have a signal with 100dB of signal and 30dB of noise. > SNR is 20 log10(S/n) > where S is signal and n is noise, in volts, or volume. > SNR == 20 log10( 100/30) > == 20 log10 (3.33) > == 20 * 0.5228 > == 10.45 > > Crank the sound down

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-28 Thread NewBuyer
Pat Farrell;223026 Wrote: > ...When you turn down the volume, with anything, you reduce signal and > since noise is constant, you have reduced the signal to noise ratio... As I understand it, one advantage of using external analog attenuators (like the Endler attenuators) is that they attenuate

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-27 Thread Pat Farrell
USAudio wrote: > Pat Farrell;223026 Wrote: >> It is true that if you cut the volume to 25% (down 12 dB) you take a 16 >> bit signal and now have only 14 bits that are meaningful. But the same >> impact happens in analog. > Thanks Pat, that is what I was clumsily trying to convey but wasn't > aware

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-27 Thread USAudio
Pat Farrell;223026 Wrote: > I think you are misquoting him. Or perhaps misinterpreting what Sean > wrote. I think it was probably a little of both! =) I was thinking of this post by Sean which I believe confirms what you said: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=164681&postcount=3 Pat F

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-26 Thread Pat Farrell
USAudio wrote: > Sean Adams (founder of Slim Devices and designer of the SqueezeBox) > highly recommends you have a analog volume control between the > SqueezeBox and the amplifier, for various reasons. I think you are misquoting him. Or perhaps misinterpreting what Sean wrote. The concern is to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-26 Thread USAudio
lextek;223003 Wrote: > I order a Cambridge Audio 540 A v2 Integrated today. Found a > refurbished one at a good price. Should be a nice upgrade. You made the right decision; Sean Adams (founder of Slim Devices and designer of the SqueezeBox) highly recommends you have a analog volume control be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-25 Thread Pale Blue Ego
If you only have one input (the SB3), you can use a power amp. If you may use the amp in a larger system someday, get an integrated. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?useri

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Amp or Integrated

2007-08-25 Thread lextek
I'm hooked on the Squeezebox! I have it set-up in a modest rig now. Pardigm Atom speakers, a heavily modified T-Amp and Kimber CQ/8TC. This is in a small spare bedroom. I am going to be getting a different amp. Would it make sense to get a power amp and use the SB3 as a preamp? Or go the int