Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-26 Thread aubuti
toby10 wrote: > I think you would be hard pressed to hear any difference between the SB3 > and Receiver, pretty much same audio architecture. The SB3 display can > be completely dimmed (set to OFF while playing) if you honestly feel it > hampers audio quality. Agree 100%. -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-26 Thread Dura
Before I had the Touch I had the SB3, I used both into different DACs, all connected with coax. Compared to the Touch in all cases the SB3 sounded duller, less clear, less detailed. The difference was clearly audible to my ears, I was amazed at the difference two related digital sources could mak

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-26 Thread toby10
jezbo wrote: > How about the duet receiver? Will that have a cleaner signal path to the > digital out than an SB3, comparable with the Touch? At least that won't > have any possible interference from display circuitry. I think you would be hard pressed to hear any difference between the SB3 and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-26 Thread Mnyb
gorman wrote: > Ok, I'm not following. If coaxial can do 24/192 and optical 24/96, why > the limit to 24/48 (which, by the way, for everything I've read so far > might not be that much of a limit, as I've always understood the the 24 > bit precision is more important than sample rate)? the signa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-26 Thread gorman
Ok, I'm not following. If coaxial can do 24/192 and optical 24/96, why the limit to 24/48 (which, by the way, for everything I've read so far might not be that much of a limit, as I've always understood the the 24 bit precision is more important than sample rate)? ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread jezbo
aubuti wrote: > There was a fair bit of discussion after the Touch's release (and even > before release once the secret was out and beta testers could discuss it > on the forums) about the comparative quality of the SB3/Classic digital > outs and the Touch's. A lot of people, including some whose

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread Mnyb
gorman wrote: > Can SB3 do 24/96 through SPDIF? I thought SPDIF didn't have bandwidth > enough. Nope it's a hardware limit I don't think it can do it at all . The DAC chip is probably ok with it but not the CPU and ram .

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread Stratmangler
gorman wrote: > Can SB3 do 24/96 through SPDIF? I thought SPDIF didn't have bandwidth > enough. Coaxial SPDIF can handle 24/192. The optical link maxes out at 24/96. The SB3 maxes out at 24/48. Stratmangler's Profile: htt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread garym
gorman wrote: > Can SB3 do 24/96 through SPDIF? I thought SPDIF didn't have bandwidth > enough. No. But that's because of LMS talking with the SB3 not the S/PDIF itself. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/memb

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread gorman
Can SB3 do 24/96 through SPDIF? I thought SPDIF didn't have bandwidth enough. gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96868

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread jezbo
Thanks guys, it's all about the sound for me. Personally I do like the retro mono-colour look of the SB3 display. I don't need touch-screen features, not if I can't take it to the sofa! jezbo's Profile: http://forums.slimde

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread Mnyb
I see it as a threshold phenomen once the signal is good enough for your DAC to cope with it you can't tell the difference. But modern DAC's are very good at coping with bad signals and even the most humble modern source is good enough anyway . I remember different times in the 90's where digita

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread aubuti
There was a fair bit of discussion after the Touch's release (and even before release once the secret was out and beta testers could discuss it on the forums) about the comparative quality of the SB3/Classic digital outs and the Touch's. A lot of people, including some whose opinions I respect a g

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread garym
I agree that it is doubtful that you could hear a difference. Those that can measure these things think that the S/PDIF coax path measures better in the TOUCH. The power supply in the touch seems much less noisy to me (interference with other things near by, like an FM tuner). The Touch can hand

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread chill
I have an SB3 and a Touch, and have had both hooked up to my Dacmagic on occasions. I have not been able to distinguish between the two Squeezeboxes. If you don't need the extra bells and whistles of the Touch, save your money. --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread jezbo
I've taken the plunge and ordered a Beresford Bushmaster DAC (TC-7530DC). I currently have an SB3, but have read opinions that the best combination possible is a Touch feeding an external DAC. But why? Given that the DAC circuitry in the Squeezebox device doesn't come into it, how much of an impro