Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2014-01-15 Thread Archimago
darrenyeats wrote: > What about here > http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/02/measurements-logitech-touch-as-transport.html > for 24/96? You have different results for "RCA" and "cheap RCA". Good point. Fair enough :-). That was a demonstration of noise getting into the DAC from an unshielded RCA

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2014-01-12 Thread darrenyeats
Archimago wrote: > > TosLink, coaxial, USB, HDMI all measure the same for me (obviously so > long as the digital data isn't being corrupted). Theoretically, > extremely long cables could cause timing errors but I haven't seen this > with a 12-foot length of plastic TosLink (2x6' connected with p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2014-01-12 Thread Archimago
darrenyeats wrote: > Right but a reasonably intelligent and well educated person finding > something -implausible- does not constitute "fact"! > > Not long ago, it was a fact that digital transports and cables couldn't > make a difference for DACs, until Archimago got his measuring stick > out.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2014-01-12 Thread darrenyeats
Right but a reasonably intelligent and well educated person finding something -implausible- does not constitute "fact"! Not long ago, it was a fact that digital transports and USB cables couldn't make a difference for DACs, until Archimago got his measuring stick out. As I said, measurable techn

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2014-01-10 Thread RonM
darrenyeats wrote: > > > On the other hand, hobbyists don't have to accompany their impressions > with scientific proof. > > Yes, I suppose, but supporting opinions in some systematic and logical way grounded in facts IS important. Otherwise it's not a hobby, it's a religion. R.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2014-01-01 Thread darrenyeats
On one hand you don't have to accept people's impressions, especially if you think they are biased by non-aural factors. On the other hand, hobbyists don't have to accompany their impressions with scientific proof. Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk Check it, add to it! http://ww

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2014-01-01 Thread Julf
darrenyeats wrote: > What is hi-fi? For some hi-fi is being true to the recording. For some > hi-fi is about making recordings sound like real life. These are very > overlapping but very distinct approaches and either is valid IMO. The > confusion of these two approaches is very fundamental to th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2014-01-01 Thread darrenyeats
As an ex-"solely objective" audiophile let me make the following observations. (1) We all hear according to our beliefs. Yes of course gross real effects can impinge on any consciousness but the psyche is quite elastic and to a large degree will hear according to world view. There is no law that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2013-12-31 Thread mlsstl
I recently cancelled my account at Audio Asylum. Over the past months I found that virtually none of the threads were of interest to me. The sniping, arrogance and extremely odd (to me) insistence that their subjective opinions couldn't possibly be due to subjective factors finally got to me. I ca

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2013-12-31 Thread Archimago
mintaudio wrote: > I find your blog very interesting.. keep up the good work. I doubt it > would be very popular over at 'Computer Audiophile' though! Smopular popular :-) Doesn't matter really... The interesting thing is that even if there are lots of disagreements and gnashing of audiophile t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2013-12-30 Thread Julf
mintaudio wrote: > I doubt it would be very popular over at 'Computer Audiophile' though! +1 :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2013-12-30 Thread mintaudio
I find your blog very interesting.. keep up the good work. I doubt it would be very popular over at 'Computer Audiophile' though! mintaudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59106 View this thread:

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Using Cat5e USB Cable Extender - does it worsen jitter / audio quality?

2013-12-29 Thread Archimago
Probably the last measurement for the year :-). Let's see what adding a 50-ft Cat5e cable extender does to the DAC's audio output... If USB cables are *that* important, surely this should ruin a few things like worsen jitter substantially, right? Measurements with my -asynchronous- TEAC UD-501 DA