[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-11-01 Thread Phil Leigh
P Floding;151679 Wrote: > Yes, I have arranged my power as a star pattern from a single outlet. > Seems to work very well. Yes - that is absolutely the way to go - star grounding is good. Anyone who has been in a band or a (badly wired) studio will have experienced what you are talking about. T

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-11-01 Thread P Floding
regalma1;136221 Wrote: > I once was a tech in lab that unknown to me had voltage difference > between the grounds of two circuits. One guy plugged a tape recorder > into one outlet and the source into another. It blew the inputs to the > recorder. I found a voltage between the grounds on the two

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-11-01 Thread Jenks
In my experience, dedicated lines, (use ceramic fuses by the way, all else sounds markedly worse), and good power cords does the trick, and no conditioner I have tried has done anything than make the sound worse in that context. Also, in that context replacing any single cord with a stock cord is

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-11-01 Thread inguz
Simon;135133 Wrote: > I have built a couple of these > http://www.triode-systems.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=4 > over the years... it has proved a massive upgrade I have something simliar (a bit chunkier) feeding my power amp. Very noticeably better than without. And cheap too!

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-11-01 Thread jmourik
Does anybody have experience with these: http://www.psaudio.com/products/ultimate_outlet.asp PS Audio ultimate outlet. jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this threa

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-14 Thread arge
I have a dedicated power outlet line from the main breaker feeding a very basic Furman power conditioner: http://www.furmansound.com/products/pro/pwr_cond_seq/cond/_merit/m8.php The dedicated line makes a noticeable difference. Before I could "hear" the lights going on/off. As far as ground loop

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-14 Thread Phil Leigh
Pat Farrell;135299 Wrote: > PhilNYC wrote: > > FYI - this is against electrical code (each house is supposed to > only > > have a single ground). You may want to check with your homeowners' > > insurance to see if this voids your policy. > > Glad to see someone else mention this. > > I don't u

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-14 Thread regalma1
I once was a tech in lab that unknown to me had voltage difference between the grounds of two circuits. One guy plugged a tape recorder into one outlet and the source into another. It blew the inputs to the recorder. I found a voltage between the grounds on the two outlets. Tying them together sol

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-14 Thread PhilNYC
joncourage;136100 Wrote: > So, I just picked up a Monster HTS5100 mkii in a good deal. > > Would having such a power conditioner between the house power and the > devices be considered equivalent to having a dedicated circuit or > high-grade outlet? Nope...this is simply putting a power conditi

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-14 Thread joncourage
So, I just picked up a Monster HTS5100 mkii in a good deal. Would having such a power conditioner between the house power and the devices be considered equivalent to having a dedicated circuit or high-grade outlet? -- joncourage -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread Phil Leigh
Thankfully in the UK we have different regulations -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27255

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread Pat Farrell
m1abrams wrote: It is against code because you can have a voltage difference between two independent grounds. Never a good idea to have multiple earth grounds for the same circuit. So the only way to do this legally and safely is to run some 000 (aka tripple-ought) welding cable as the ground

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread m1abrams
Pat Farrell;135299 Wrote: > PhilNYC wrote: > > FYI - this is against electrical code (each house is supposed to > only > > have a single ground). You may want to check with your homeowners' > > insurance to see if this voids your policy. > > Glad to see someone else mention this. > > I don't u

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread Pat Farrell
PhilNYC wrote: FYI - this is against electrical code (each house is supposed to only have a single ground). You may want to check with your homeowners' insurance to see if this voids your policy. Glad to see someone else mention this. I don't understand why it is against code, but it is very

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread SoftwireEngineer
PhilNYC;135240 Wrote: > ..yes, noise is not "completely directional", but the isolation of the > wire does help for whatever reason. > ... I think the noise gets attenuated along the length of the wire it travels from the source (say washing machine) to the circuit breaker box and from there dow

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread PhilNYC
Phil Leigh;135227 Wrote: > ...but surely these lines all connect back to each other again on the > other side of the breaker board? - I wouldn't have though that the > noise was completely "directional"? Yes, and in fact, US electrical code requries that all breakers tie back to the same ground.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread Phil Leigh
PhilNYC;135169 Wrote: > Yes, it's taking one line running out of one breaker from your panel. > Ideally, each amp gets its own line, and then front end gear (source, > preamp) can share one line, but you'll still see benefit if you just > run one line to all of your gear. With dedicated lines,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread Deaf Cat
PhilNYC;135169 Wrote: > Yes, it's taking one line running out of one breaker from your panel. > Ideally, each amp gets its own line, and then front end gear (source, > preamp) can share one line, but you'll still see benefit if you just > run one line to all of your gear. With dedicated lines,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread PhilNYC
Deaf Cat;135165 Wrote: > When a separate electrical line is mentioned, would that be meaning an > mcb in the fuse box with one cable running out to 1 plug socket to plug > one amp into? or might that be a ring with a number of plug sockets just > for av gear? Yes, it's taking one line running ou

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread Deaf Cat
When a separate electrical line is mentioned, would that be meaning an mcb in the fuse box with one cable running out to 1 plug socket to plug one amp into? or might that be a ring with a number of plug sockets just for av gear? I guess a ring would be more flexible as to how many bits plug into

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-11 Thread Simon
I have built a couple of these http://www.triode-systems.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=4 over the years, for me as I live in a house with fairly old wiring, and no budget to run fresh cable, it has proved a massive upgrade that over-shadowed the move to a linear power supply (though

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Effect of cleaning up power?

2006-09-10 Thread PhilNYC
When I get asked about power conditioners, I usually ask if they have installed dedicated lines first, because in my personal experience, I found installing a dedicated line to have a far greater effect than getting a power conditioner (I still believe both are worthwhile...even "necessary")...and