[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-09 Thread Eric Seaberg
I was originally running both my Transporter and SB3 wireless. The TP is 4-feet away from my AP (Apple AirPort) and has 100% signal. I had setup its AUDIO prefs as NO LIMIT. The SB3 had a signal strength of about 70%, but would continually stutter and skip until I set it to a limit of 320k. Th

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-08 Thread Jeff52
Yes I also think my issues are noise or RFI related especially since it occurs much more often with longer CAT5 cables (the cables are ok BTW). I don't have any fluorescent lights but there may be some other items in the household I need to investigate. If I can nail it down, I'll post it or add i

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-08 Thread Bob Bressler
yes, 'performance' is hard to measure. It is made up of latency which is the time from when the first bit is sent into the network until it pops out the other side PLUS bandwidth which is the number of bits per unit time that come through after that first bit. Both PowerLine Ethernet and CAT-5 E

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-08 Thread Jeff52
Bob Bressler;160617 Wrote: > I guess that if the delays were really long, the TCP connections would > time out and have to be reconnected, but this almost sounds like > periods of data loss - how often does it happen? Have you tried > plugging in your computer when the SB is now to see how web t

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-08 Thread Pale Blue Ego
I'm using the XE-102 homeplug units from Netgear, and have not had any problems. Performance on the 2 homeplug links is exactly the same as on my 3 cat-5 linked SBs. I'm getting 12.61 Mb/s on one link, 13.59 Mb/s on the other. I'm also using a Netgear router, maybe this helps performance, thoug

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-07 Thread Bob Bressler
Jeff, Typically the issue with high latency is that the music drops out periodically - i.e. the connections are still there, but the new data does not get there in time. I guess that if the delays were really long, the TCP connections would time out and have to be reconnected, but this almost sou

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-07 Thread Jeff52
Bob Bressler;160335 Wrote: > Depending on how your home is wired, HomePlug can introduce quite a bit > of latency. (HomePlug uses Forward Error Correcting to reduce the > error level - which adds latency on both ends.) If it high enough, the > SB buffer will play out before being refilled. > >

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-07 Thread moth
Thanks again chaps. This has been very useful. I will buy the wireless SB since it offers me more flexibility in the future. Happy listening -- moth moth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8833 Vi

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-06 Thread Bob Bressler
Pale Blue Ego;160243 Wrote: > There's also the possibility of HomePlug (powerline) networking. These > run over your existing electric wiring and are extremely reliable. > Setting them up is as easy as plugging them into the wall. They are > about $80 a pair (you need a pair for the first link

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-06 Thread richidoo
I had similar problems to Pat when playing wavs over 11b - dropouts. But if my antennas were within line of sight, no problems. The buffer inside SB can hold almost 2 minutes of wav, so hearing dropouts means a REALLY bad connection/reception, or in my case it must be Linksys, or Linski as my dad

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-06 Thread Pat Farrell
Phil Leigh wrote: > Moth - unless I am missing something - why not just buy a wired SB. As > you say, it is cheaper and as your PC is already in the same room (as > is mine) you might as well take advantage of the fact. In my > experience, streaming FLAC needs a G wireless - period. I did that. M

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-06 Thread jamietre
Pale Blue Ego;160243 Wrote: > > One thing to consider - the wired-only SB3 is $50 cheaper. You could > take that savings and pay somebody to run a dedicated cat-5 cable to > another room. Or do it yourself and pocket the savings. > Another thing to consider, though, is what you might do with

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-06 Thread Pale Blue Ego
A wired connection is always going to be more reliable and more secure. One thing to consider - the wired-only SB3 is $50 cheaper. You could take that savings and pay somebody to run a dedicated cat-5 cable to another room. Or do it yourself and pocket the savings. There's also the possibility

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-06 Thread Mitch Harding
For what it's worth, I am having no trouble streaming FLAC via a B wireless with around 70-80% signal strength. On 12/6/06, Phil Leigh < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Moth - unless I am missing something - why not just buy a wired SB. As you say, it is cheaper and as your PC is already in the same

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-06 Thread Phil Leigh
Moth - unless I am missing something - why not just buy a wired SB. As you say, it is cheaper and as your PC is already in the same room (as is mine) you might as well take advantage of the fact. In my experience, streaming FLAC needs a G wireless - period. As your your other point (sound qualit

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-06 Thread moth
bergek;159989 Wrote: > (unless the transmitter is powered down if the wired network is used - > is it?). If that affect is even measureable I don't know but for > someone with a degree in physics I think it is sounds much more likely > that it would make a difference than most other tweaks I keep

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-06 Thread bergek
Pat Farrell;160034 Wrote: > 802.11b is rated at only 11 mbits/second, under 9 times what you need, > and no Ethernet ever delivers its rated speed. > 802.11b is a "half-duplex" protocol meaning it can send OR receive at a certain bandwidth but not both at the same time. For the type of applicat

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-05 Thread Pat Farrell
Eric Seaberg wrote: > The SB upstairs in the master bedroom is another story, > and even though I've got an average 70% signal to it, it can NOT handle > uncompressed files. Especially when synchronized, I have to LIMIT the > SB to 320k. If I set it to NO LIMIT, it'll spit and sputter all night

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-05 Thread Eric Seaberg
I have to throw in an answer here since I just went through a whole lot of grief trying to get my SB to quit dropping! I have a Transporter in the livingroom, no more than 3 feet away from my wireless AP, and it's rock solid. The SB upstairs in the master bedroom is another story, and even thoug

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-05 Thread ob_kook
Eric Seaberg;160019 Wrote: > I have to throw in an answer here since I just went through a whole lot > of grief trying to get my SB to quit dropping! I have a Transporter in > the livingroom, no more than 3 feet away from my wireless AP, and it's > rock solid. The SB upstairs in the master bedr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-05 Thread Pat Farrell
moth wrote: > Thanks Mitch, Pat and Impeller, You're welcome > On the 1's and 0's, are there jitter issues to consider between going > wired or wireless? Some folks claim that there is never any jitter issues. But to stay on topic, there is no reason to expect that whether the bits are delivere

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-05 Thread Robin Bowes
moth wrote: > Impeller;159982 Wrote: >> There shouldn't be any difference as it's only 0s and 1s being >> transferred - it's what the SB does with them once it's got them that >> matters. > > Thanks Mitch, Pat and Impeller, > > Your assistance is appreciated. > > I do not plan to touch MP3's :)

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-05 Thread bergek
Given that you have sufficient coverage and haven't flooded you network with other traffic, the bits will get across intact. And since the SB uses TCP to communicate with the SS it can even handle modest packet drops (which will happen on a wireless network). However, the wireless transmitter ins

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-05 Thread moth
Impeller;159982 Wrote: > There shouldn't be any difference as it's only 0s and 1s being > transferred - it's what the SB does with them once it's got them that > matters. Thanks Mitch, Pat and Impeller, Your assistance is appreciated. I do not plan to touch MP3's :) On the 1's and 0's, are th

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Wired or not? (Newbie)

2006-12-05 Thread Impeller
moth;159974 Wrote: > If so, is there a considered opinion as to the audio quality of the > wireless setup vs the wired setup, for example is the wireless route > disabled/unpowered when the SB3 is wired? There shouldn't be any difference as it's only 0s and 1s being transferred - it's what the S