[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-09-10 Thread ceejay
Nicola Fankhauser Wrote: > > > btw, is there an explanation why FLAC files sound so much better than > MP3 on the SB2 (analog output)? I maybe will try how (high quality, if > that exists :) MP3 files sound through my own DAC. > > That would probably be because your FLAC files are lossless -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-09-10 Thread Nicola Fankhauser
hello sean thanks for helping, it turned out that my DAC was not working properly. I repaired it and it works like a charm with the SB2! first listening tests indicate that in comparison with the SB2 my own DAC reproduces music a bit warmer and "opens the stage" somehow - yet the differences are

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-09-09 Thread seanadams
I would be astonished if any 16-bit DAC has a problem with the other 8 bits being populated. BTW here's a good explanation of s/pdif - better reading than the IEC spec. http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html -- seanadams ___ audiophiles

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-09-09 Thread Nicola Fankhauser
hi sean thanks for clarifying - I wrote to the author of the DAC design and will have to wait for his answer for finding out what really happens there. so to summarize SB2 sends the following format (certainly a bit more complex in real life): MSB 0x00 - 0x0F 16 bit data LSB 0x10 - 0x17 8 bit a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-09-08 Thread seanadams
To clarify: there is no difference in the data format for 16-bit versus 24-bit over s/pdif. If you play 16 bit with volume set to 100%, you will get the same 16 bits at the output (the 8 least significant bits will be zero). If you have volume set to some intermediate level then the additional L

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-09-08 Thread seanadams
Nicola Fankhauser Wrote: > > > however, SB2 seems to send 24bit data even if I play back 16bit data > (like you state above) - is there any possibility (hardware-wise) to > force it back to 16bit? How are you determining this? -- seanadams ___ aud

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-09-08 Thread Nicola Fankhauser
hi sean seanadams Wrote: > Correction: we output 24-bits to both the s/pdif and the internal DAC. I just got my SB2 two days ago and tried today connecting it to my DIY DAC (based on the DA1543N DAC, http://www.dddac.de), which works wonderfully with the digital coax output of my Creek CD play

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-31 Thread sbjaerum
seanadams Wrote: > The additional resolution is just ignored by the DAC - it works like a > 16-bit interface. I assume then that the 16 bit DAC uses the 16 most significant bits of the 24 bits transferred by S/PDIF. How does digital volume adjustment work in this scenario? Steinar -- sbjaeru

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-31 Thread seanadams
Mike Hanson Wrote: > Interesting. So what happens when I'm outputting it to a 16-bit NOS > DAC? > > -=> Mike Hanson <=- The additional resolution is just ignored by the DAC - it works like a 16-bit interface. -- seanadams ___ audiophiles mailing l

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Hanson
seanadams Wrote: > Correction: we output 24-bits to both the s/pdif and the internal DAC. Interesting. So what happens when I'm outputting it to a 16-bit NOS DAC? -=> Mike Hanson <=- -- Mike Hanson ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.sli

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread quadguy
Here's the one that compared analog and digital operation - this is the DEQX's predecessor - the 8024 - it was double the price then, and had nowhere near the digital advances of today, yet he rates it as "value for money" of 200% ! It's one of the better reviews because he really concentrates on

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread mazurek
Thanks for the info everyone. Looks like I can be sure that no resolution is being lost relative to the original when I equalize it. (My calculator says for a 24 bit signal, I've got 48dB of headroom before I lose resolution). I agree with quadguy, there is such a noticable improvement in bass

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread Pat Farrell
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 22:00 -0700, quadguy wrote: > With my Quads I'm in serious lust mode for some Quads. They have sounded great every time I listen to them. But they are too big, require too big a room, and totally flunk the WAF in my world. > There are a few professional reviews out there

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread quadguy
Agreed, it doesn't attempt to handle phase relationships as would an expensive Tact unit for example. But I only EQ bass and the effects on phase from say 250Hz down are far less evident than if one were EQ-ing the critical midrange region. I bought it to take the boom out of the room, and it does

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread Pat Farrell
On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 20:36 -0700, quadguy wrote: > The audiophile answer to not use an EQ applied more when EQ's were in > the analog domain with all their attendant filters and electronics - > when in purely digital mode all it does is alter the bitstream, if you like it, use it. Use your ears,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread quadguy
Whoops! Forgot to answer your actual question - I assume the "Dither" setting you refer to is on "Page 2" of the "I/O" menu? Mine is set to 24 bit and sounds great, although I haven't tried turning it off. I think 24 bit is the factory default. However I don't know if it even matters if the Behrin

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread quadguy
For what it's worth, I use the Behringer EQ completely in digital mode, and I've found it to be not only totally transparant but to have a very decent DAC to boot. I use the SB's digital out to the DEQX 2496 and I find it an absolute dream - and find that MP3's on shoutcast radio stations (128k or

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread seanadams
dean Wrote: > S/PDIF output will be > converted back to 16 bits. Correction: we output 24-bits to both the s/pdif and the internal DAC. -- seanadams ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread dean blackketter
On Aug 30, 2005, at 1:22 PM, Mike Hanson wrote: mazurek Wrote: Is the digital output of the squeezebox always 24 bit resolution, or does it depend on the source file? Ripped WAVs from CDs are 16-bit, so 24-bit will not happen. Yes, but... MP3 is a lossy encoding. Our MP3 decoder does gene

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital output format?

2005-08-30 Thread Mike Hanson
mazurek Wrote: > Is the digital output of the squeezebox always 24 bit resolution, or > does it depend on the source file? Ripped WAVs from CDs are 16-bit, so 24-bit will not happen. I'll second Pat's comments: equalizers are generally frowned upon in the audiophile world. I would skip it, unl