Phil Leigh;585740 Wrote:
> > mlsstl;585061 Wrote:
> > In other words, you're the biggest variable in your system!
> >
> > ...QUOTE]
> >
> > Hurrah! - wisdom.
> >
> >
> >
> > It's trivially easy to prove if an interconnect or mains cable or power
> > supply changes the sound or not - and no
mlsstl;585061 Wrote:
> In other words, you're the biggest variable in your system!
>
> ...QUOTE]
>
> Hurrah! - wisdom.
>
> Human psychology is such that we find it incredibly hard to admit this
> simple truth and always want to lay the blame elsewhere. Far too often
> we need look inwards for
magiccarpetride;585013 Wrote:
> I'm with you. Like I've already mentioned, even repeating the exact same
> 5 seconds of the song opening while everything else stays the same can
> sound very different. Sometimes I do it five-six times in a row (i.e.
> play the first 5 seconds of a song, then imme
earwaxer9;584875 Wrote:
> The flip side of this quote is that "everything makes a difference". As
> time marches on, I have become more and more a "believer" in this.
>
> I was once - one of many - a doubter. I believed that "wire" could not
> make a difference. It was about conduction of elect
SuperQ;584690 Wrote:
>
>
> A lot of the reason ABX testing is brought up on this forum is to point
> out that things that people do are not making any difference to the
> sound of their system.
The flip side of this quote is that "everything makes a difference". As
time marches on, I have beco
michael123;584567 Wrote:
> Agree.
> The most important is being honest with yourself.
> Blind or not - does not matter.
>
> My way is to take the new component home, wire it and listen for a
> week.
> Just as I do regularily..
>
> After a week, re-wire back, and at this point (!), I can hear t
jean2;582420 Wrote:
> "It has been said that ABX is the worst form of audio testing except all
> the others that have been tried."
>
> (With apologies to Sir Winston Churchill)
>
> Jean
Agree.
The most important is being honest with yourself.
Blind or not - does not matter.
--
michael123
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To my frustration - It's so hard to hear real POSITIVE differences
sometimes. I have done NUMEROUS changes over the years. "Differences"
for sure. Sometimes those differences dont hold up to additional
scrutiny. Sometimes its just a point of "so what" - move on. I have
found that I need to get acq
magiccarpetride;582342 Wrote:
> So, everything else being equal, including the planet alignment, the
> atmospheric factors, my body chemistry (and, of course, my audio
> chain), I still cannot re-live that magic moment. Even if I replay that
> passage only a few seconds later (I have a remote con
opaqueice, your piece gets to the heart of the matter.
Blind testing is important when it is necessary to remove as much
subjective bias as possible from an evaluation. It is very important
for those doing basic research and also many of those who are designing
equipment or testing new ideas.
magiccarpetride;582342 Wrote:
> I've always been skeptical about the validity of the ABX testing,
> including the double-blind tests.
"It has been said that ABX is the worst form of audio testing except
all the others that have been tried."
(With apologies to Sir Winston Churchill)
Jean
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bluegaspode;582379 Wrote:
> Maybe we should just change our attitude.
> A song that cannot get us into musical nirvana on any equipment is just
> not good enough.
>
> I remember times when I walked down the streets with lousy earphones
> and started forgetting the world around me.
>
> Is really
aubuti;582381 Wrote:
> ...though the ABX tests for lovemaking can get a lot more complicated,
> especially double-blind
Not to mention potentially much more fatiguing...
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magiccarpetride
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magiccarpetride;582373 Wrote:
> Listening to music is like making love. You have to be in the mood.
> Otherwise you leave disappointed.
...though the ABX tests for lovemaking can get a lot more complicated,
especially double-blind
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aubuti
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Maybe we should just change our attitude.
A song that cannot get us into musical nirvana on any equipment is just
not good enough.
I remember times when I walked down the streets with lousy earphones
and started forgetting the world around me.
Is really this last bit of equipment the dominating
bluegaspode;582370 Wrote:
> We should also not forget that getting you in the special mood is the
> last 1% that equipment can achieve (and I also think that the weather
> outside and what you did the last hour has far more influence on
> getting into this mood than your equipment - if it's above
We should also not forget that getting you in the special mood is the
last 1% that equipment can achieve (and I also think that the weather
outside and what you did the last hour has far more influence on
getting into this mood than your equipment - if it's above a certain
level).
But most of the
Fair point, but no one said the tests all have to be done in the same
sitting, or even the same day. Or for that matter, with the same piece
of music. In fact, that would be a really bad way to do ABX testing. A
better way would be one that takes into account the different types of
music one liste
aubuti;582349 Wrote:
> That's one reason why real ABX tests do lots of replications. You should
> never trust any test with N=1 or N=2.
>
> Repeat the tests a lot of times, and if that musical nirvana occurs
> "predominantly" (for which there are precise statistical definitions)
> with one syst
magiccarpetride;582342 Wrote:
> In conclusion: if I can't even consistently repeat two consecutive
> moments in a reliable fashion, what gives me the arrogance to
> think/believe that I'll be able to reliably achieve a conclusive test
> when changing some links in my audio chain?
That's one reaso
On 12/10/10 19:48, magiccarpetride wrote:
I have similar misgivings for similar reasons.
I am aware of the influence of the psychological aspects of listening to
music which makes it important to eliminate them as much as possible
when trying to perform comparatative tests. However, I'm not con
I've always been skeptical about the validity of the ABX testing,
including the double-blind tests. I will try to briefly discuss one
aspect of testing that makes me uneasy about the whole arrangement.
It often happens that, while listening to the playback on my system, I
experience moments of he
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