Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-27 Thread Mnyb
pablolie wrote: > isnt that why many DACs allow you to invert polarity, because the source > material may be indistinct about it, and they let you find out if it > makes a difference? I have never heard one, btw. In the really old days you get that button on some analog preamps for the same reas

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-27 Thread pablolie
isnt that why many DACs allow you to invert polarity, because the source material may be indistinct about it, and they let you find out if it makes a difference? I have never heard one, btw. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine running Ubuntu 12.04 + LMS 7.7.3 on VMware Player System: SB Touch --op

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-23 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: > The standard way is a truncated sawtooth wave, and yes, that requires a > scope. But a good first test is the 'Absolute Polarity Blind Listening > Test' (http://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_abspolarity.php). If you > don't hear the difference, it doesn't matter :) yep aware of thi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-23 Thread Julf
netchord wrote: > interestingly, reading that thread, it seems either Luxman, or Sean, > have it backwards as to which pin = the "original American" standard. > > Sean: Pin 3 hot was American practice, but in 70s we adopted the EU > standard of pin 2 hot. by implication, the Transporter, which

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-23 Thread netchord
interestingly, reading that thread, it seems either Luxman, or Sean, have it backwards as to which pin = the "original American" standard. Sean: Pin 3 hot was American practice, but in 70s we adopted the EU standard of pin 2 hot. by implication, the Transporter, which was built in the 2000s, sh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-23 Thread netchord
bought the amp used, but it's from 2009, so a relatively recent design. Luxman is old school however, so this may just be a legacy of an even older implementation. interestingly the amp also includes an indicator at the power cable to show whether your home wiring inverts phase (mine does not ap

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-23 Thread Julf
Mnyb wrote: > Are there test signals for this ? you may need a scope ? The standard way is a truncated sawtooth wave, and yes, that requires a scope. But a good first test is the 'Absolute Polarity Blind Listening Test' (http://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_abspolarity.php). If you don't hear th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-23 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: > Well, in that thread, Sean states rather clearly: "That's right. The > XLRs are proper differential, balanced outputs." > > So both pin 2 and pin 3 are "hot", as in carry the signal, and are not > referenced to ground. Only difference is that one is inverting, and the > other isn't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-23 Thread Julf
netchord wrote: > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.music.equipment.slimdevices.beginners/16754 Well, in that thread, Sean states rather clearly: "That's right. The XLRs are proper differential, balanced outputs." So both pin 2 and pin 3 are "hot", as in carry the signal, and are not referenced t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-23 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: > And if both the input and the output are truly balanced/differential, it > doesn't matter. Neither pin is connected to ground/earth, and both pins > are just as "hot" (as in carrying a signal). The only difference is > absolute polarity, and the source material doesn't seem to be co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-23 Thread Julf
And if both the input and the output are truly balanced/differential, it doesn't matter. Neither pin is connected to ground/earth, and both pins are just as "hot" (as in carrying a signal). The only difference is absolute polarity, and the source material doesn't seem to be consistent on that anyw

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-22 Thread Archimago
I see... So I presume it's one of the vintage 1980's models when the standard wasn't as clear. The AES put in place the pin 2 'hot' standard by 1992 so it's safe to go with that for equipment made since then... Nice little forum post: http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=general&m=459847 Enj

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-22 Thread netchord
Archimago wrote: > Not clear about the diagram myself. > > However, these days all my XLR gear including ASUS DAC, E-MU DAC are pin > 2 "hot". Other than pre-1990 gear, I believe the vast majority of gear > is like this and adjustable devices like my TEAC UD-501 DAC also > defaults to pin 2 +. >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-22 Thread Archimago
Not clear about the diagram myself. However, these days all my XLR gear including ASUS DAC, E-MU DAC are pin 2 "hot". Other than pre-1990 gear, I believe the vast majority of gear is like this and adjustable devices like my TEAC UD-501 DAC also defaults to pin 2 +. My Transporter sounds great th

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter XLR pin config

2014-10-22 Thread netchord
Hi All- got a new amp that has an option to invert phase on XLR inputs, depending on whether the upstream component has Pin 2 or 3 as "hot". wrt the transporter, i've poked around a bit and have not found anything definitive on the subject, save for this old thread from Sean, which is unfortunatl