Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-05-01 Thread S2K
Phil Leigh;534623 Wrote: > I was going to ask why -49.5dB is the lowest you can go to? -49,5db is as low the TP goes. At -50db it is totally silent. -- S2K S2K's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-04-14 Thread Phil Leigh
michael123;534684 Wrote: > https://www.dvdupgrades.ch/digital_audio.html Thanks Michael - good link. You can also buy pre-modded Oppo players - this is exactly the same as the DVD region coding fiasco! Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-04-14 Thread michael123
Phil Leigh;534622 Wrote: > Clive is right and you can thank Sony for this mess. They wanted to stop > digital copying of SACD at hi-res. You can use Google to see just > exactly how sussessful they were in that endeavour...(again, sigh) https://www.dvdupgrades.ch/digital_audio.html -- michael

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-04-13 Thread Phil Leigh
S2K;534409 Wrote: > I have connected my TP directly to my Classe power amp using balanced > leads. Use it as a dac/pre-amp for other devices as well. There are two > problems with this setup. depending on the recording I can't turn the > volume down as much as I would like. At -49,5 db the music

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-04-13 Thread Phil Leigh
empty99;530308 Wrote: > When playing SACD discs, my Sony S9000ES mutes its digital outs. > I don't know what happens if one chooses the Redbook layer playback for > hybrid discs... Clive is right and you can thank Sony for this mess. They wanted to stop digital copying of SACD at hi-res. You can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-04-13 Thread S2K
I have connected my TP directly to my Classe power amp using balanced leads. Use it as a dac/pre-amp for other devices as well. There are two problems with this setup. depending on the recording I can't turn the volume down as much as I would like. At -49,5 db the music is still marginally too lou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-04-13 Thread S2K
I have connected my TP directly to my Classe power amp using balanced leads. Use it as a dac/pre-amp for other devices as well. There are two problems with this setup. depending on the recording I can't turn the volume down as much as I would like. At -49,5 db the music is still marginally too lou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-04-04 Thread empty99
cliveb;527485 Wrote: > Someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the SACD spec > require that you cannot get a digital output from the SACD layer? > Presumably that means that when you play an SACD disc, the data stream > on the SPDIF output is from the redbook layer. When playi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-25 Thread michael123
I did not buy either I just lived for few weeks with Transporter connected directly to the amp, thinking that this is the best option.. But then I switched to the preamp route (frankly, I have one), and never went back. -- michael123 ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-25 Thread Phil Leigh
michael123;528013 Wrote: > Maybe that works for Touch.. > > > http://www.avguide.com/review/tested-logitech-transporter-network-music-player?page=2 I just don't buy that review quote... sounds dangerously like an opinion based on a prejudice or presumption to me... The 24-bit control on the T

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-25 Thread michael123
Maybe that works for Touch.. http://www.avguide.com/review/tested-logitech-transporter-network-music-player?page=2 > Although the Transporter has a volume control that allows it to be used > as a stand-alone digital preamp, this digital volume control can and > will decrease the Transporter’s f

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-25 Thread Phil Leigh
michael123;528008 Wrote: > I am not talking about theory here. > I do not care about "some tests". > But you know, it is all dependent on the setup finally and your ears. > > When the sound becomes completely flat, bass disappears - are you going > to tell me that there is no difference? come

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-25 Thread michael123
Phil Leigh;528007 Wrote: > Doesn't really work like that at 24-bit. You are talking about dynamic > range. > > That's the whole point of bothering with the 24-bit implementation in > the first place. Chopping 4-5 bits off a 24-bit signal isn't going to > ruin the sound... it just increases the s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-25 Thread michael123
Phil Leigh;528007 Wrote: > Doesn't really work like that at 24-bit. You are talking about dynamic > range. > > That's the whole point of bothering with the 24-bit implementation in > the first place. Chopping 4-5 bits off a 24-bit signal isn't going to > ruin the sound... it just increases the s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-25 Thread Phil Leigh
michael123;527998 Wrote: > Every 6db is 1bit, right? > In my setup I usually listen on -28db > I have Transporter connected to analog bypass of my surround processor, > and the result is *much better* than being connected directly to the > amplifier. Doesn't really work like that at 24-bit. You

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-25 Thread michael123
Phil Leigh;527569 Wrote: > Yes but that's just audiophile paranoia :-) > You can easily take the volume down to (say) 80 without being able to > detect any impact on audio quality. Every 6db is 1bit, right? In my setup I usually listen on -28db. I have Transporter connected to analog bypass of m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-24 Thread Phil Leigh
ntropy;527640 Wrote: > I thought to have read somewhere that the Transporter upsamples to 24Bit > and so has a higher "headroom" before the loss of resolution becomes > audible than a SB3 or Duet (which do the volume control with 16Bit). The > quality of my Duet volume control is already acceptab

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-24 Thread ntropy
michael123;527542 Wrote: > Transporter with its digital volume can't be used as a preamp, unless > you listen to a very high volume or you have a gain control on your > amplifier. > > In my system, its volume is fixed on 100% (as well as in every review > of Transporter, e.g. Absolute Sound or S

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread Phil Leigh
michael123;527542 Wrote: > Transporter with its digital volume can't be used as a preamp, unless > you listen to a very high volume or you have a gain control on your > amplifier. > > In my system, its volume is fixed on 100% (as well as in every review > of Transporter, e.g. Absolute Sound or S

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread michael123
Transporter with its digital volume can't be used as a preamp, unless you listen to a very high volume or you have a gain control on your amplifier. In my system, its volume is fixed on 100% (as well as in every review of Transporter, e.g. Absolute Sound or Stereophile) -- michael123 -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread ntropy
SuperQ;527487 Wrote: > You might be able to do this with a universal remote, and some > modifications to the IR control files. (In the source/IR/ directory) > > The IR maps already contain keys for: > digital_input_aes-ebu > digital_input_bnc-spdif > digital_input_rca-spdif > digital_input_tosli

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread SuperQ
ntropy;527462 Wrote: > I also plan to use the balanced outputs. I think I read somewhere that > there are already attenuators on the board. But you need to open the > case of the transporter to access the switches (am I right about > this?). > > The selection of the input sounds easy. Is there a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread cliveb
ntropy;527460 Wrote: > Yes, SACD is an example. Or if a friend brings along his CD, I don't > want to rip it first before we can listen. Maybe I will still get rid of > the CDP since I don't own many SACD. Someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the SACD spec require that you c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread Phil Leigh
ntropy;527480 Wrote: > I'm drifting a bit away from my main question, but if I understand this > right I only need an attenuator when I don't want to use the volume > control too much so I don't lose resolution? > I got active speakers where I also can set the gain/attenuation so I > probably don

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread ntropy
Phil Leigh;527471 Wrote: > The attenuators are inline with the unbalanced outputs. If using > balanced you will need some Endlers or similar. I'm drifting a bit away from my main question, but if I understand this right I only need an attenuator when I don't want to use the volume control too mu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread Phil Leigh
ntropy;527462 Wrote: > I also plan to use the balanced outputs. I think I read somewhere that > there are already attenuators on the board. But you need to open the > case of the transporter to access the switches (am I right about > this?). > > The selection of the input sounds easy. Is there a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread ntropy
Shredder;527444 Wrote: > I ran my TP straight to power w/no pre for 2 years. Because I used > balanced outputs, I needed to use an attenuator (Endler stepped was > excellent) to control the gain. Worked very well, although I eventually > added a really nice pre and it sounded even better. > > An

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread ntropy
iPhone;527456 Wrote: > If you rip to FLAC, why do you need the CDP anyway (other then maybe for > SACDs)? Just wondering. Yes, SACD is an example. Or if a friend brings along his CD, I don't want to rip it first before we can listen. Maybe I will still get rid of the CDP since I don't own many S

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread iPhone
ntropy;527432 Wrote: > I have read that many are using the Transporter as a preamp and connect > it directly to active speakers or to a power amp. > > Now my question: is it possible to easily select different imputs in a > way that I can let's say connect my CD player via optical output to the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread Shredder
I ran my TP straight to power w/no pre for 2 years. Because I used balanced outputs, I needed to use an attenuator (Endler stepped was excellent) to control the gain. Worked very well, although I eventually added a really nice pre and it sounded even better. Anyway, yes, it is easy to switch to t

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter as preamp

2010-03-23 Thread ntropy
I have read that many are using the Transporter as a preamp and connect it directly to active speakers or to a power amp. Now my question: is it possible to easily select different imputs in a way that I can let's say connect my CD player via optical output to the transporter and use the built in