Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-27 Thread bigfool1956
Of course that well designed gear gets chucked in and out of vans, and is generally abused. After a while it gains a few 'roadie repairs', and then the funs starts. I lost count of the amount of back line stuff I had to rewire after the RCDs got tripped by rotten repairs. Good ones were: Wires s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-26 Thread Phil Leigh
pfarrell;283945 Wrote: > Timothy Stockman wrote: > > Some guitar amps were designed > > so bad that the guitar player, with his hands touching the metal > > strings, would get a shock on his lips if they touched the metal > > windscreen cage of the vocal mic. A medical isolation transformer > >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-26 Thread bigfool1956
Taking me back now. I used to be the sound engineer at the Top Rank Southampton. Everyone in the company was very twitchy, as a couple of years before I joined the guitarist in Stone The Crows had been electrocuted and killed on stage at the Top Rank Swansea. RCDs had been fitted everywhere, and I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-26 Thread Pat Farrell
Timothy Stockman wrote: > Some guitar amps were designed > so bad that the guitar player, with his hands touching the metal > strings, would get a shock on his lips if they touched the metal > windscreen cage of the vocal mic. A medical isolation transformer > always fixed that problem, as well as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-26 Thread Timothy Stockman
The issue in AC powered audio equipment is usually leakage-to-ground. This is caused by, among other things, inter-winding capacitance in the power transformers and capacitors in mains-entry filters. In the "old" days, when everything was connected using 2-prong mains plugs, sometimes one could

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-26 Thread radish
I'm British but live in the US. Whilst the sockets in my house are non-symmetrical and I have seen some plugs with one blade larger than the other, the majority are symmetrical and will fit in the socket either way around (this includes the SB PSU as it happens). I'm no electrician but I'd always

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-26 Thread Pat Farrell
SteveEast wrote: > In my experience it's very common to find outlets with reversed > polarity here in the US. So having a polarised plug doesn't always > help! By code in the US, it is supposed to be done properly, but as SE says, its easy to find example that are wrong. Most serious 'handyman' s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-26 Thread SteveEast
bigfool1956;283913 Wrote: > This should be a non-issue in the UK and the States (recent wiring), as > we have non-reversible mains plugs/sockets, and there is a standard way > of wiring live and neutral. > In my experience it's very common to find outlets with reversed polarity here in the US.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-26 Thread bigfool1956
This should be a non-issue in the UK and the States (recent wiring), as we have non-reversible mains plugs/sockets, and there is a standard way of wiring live and neutral. In Continental Europe, however, this is an issue, as the type C plug is reversible, and so you often have no way of knowing w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread Wombat
Of cause it is questionable. The question of this thread was answered, thats all. Never did a real test to detect a difference. Since you normaly only install it once it gives me piece of mind to do "in phase" :) I put a marker spot on the plug if i have to change the cabling one time. -- Womb

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread Phil Leigh
seanadams;283526 Wrote: > That's incorrect. Yes, it is the current that kills you, but how much > current you get is a function of the voltage, per Ohms law. More > voltage is what allows the electricity to overcome the body's > resistance (mainly the skin), which in turn is what allows current t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread Phil Leigh
seanadams;283534 Wrote: > I don't see how that impact the (questionable) practice of reversing AC > polarity to audio gear. What they're talking about is imbalanced loads > across the 3-phase power grid, which is meaningless at a 110V outlet > because it is single phase. > > Also I don't know if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread seanadams
Phil Leigh;283503 Wrote: > You might be interested in this... > > http://www.marcspages.co.uk/pq/3312.htm I don't see how that impact the (questionable) practice of reversing AC polarity to audio gear. What they're talking about is imbalanced loads across the 3-phase power grid, which is meanin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread seanadams
Phil Leigh;283507 Wrote: > the 110/115V US supply is twice as dangerous as the UK (etc) approach > for this reason. That's incorrect. Yes, it is the current that kills you, but how much current you get is a function of the voltage, per Ohms law. More voltage is what allows the electricity to ove

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread Phil Leigh
pfarrell;283462 Wrote: > seanadams wrote: > > for your own safety if you can't > > figure this stuff out you should not be fiddling with AC line > voltage. > > AC line voltage can kill, seriously. > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Actually to be pedantic its current that kill

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread Phil Leigh
Wombat;282777 Wrote: > Don´t know exactly how this is defined electricaly but once i read how > to connect units in Phase. I measure the Voltage between ground of the > rca plugs to earth. The unit must be stand alone and not attached to > others. > Correspondending to the direction of the power

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread Wombat
Thanks Mr. Adams for posting the link to this pdf. The picture shows on the right top "L" for "Phase" This fits my measurement :) -- Wombat Transporter -> Avantgarde based monoblocks -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profil

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread Pat Farrell
seanadams wrote: > for your own safety if you can't > figure this stuff out you should not be fiddling with AC line voltage. AC line voltage can kill, seriously. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread seanadams
Look at the top right diagram on this drawing: http://www.americor-usa.com/americor_products/009-21Print%20WS%20%20044-11.pdf I am trying to tell you in an unambiguous way, because left/right male/female plug/socket is confusing. Hot goes to the fuse. If you cut a power cable open, hot is black

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-25 Thread ech75
Wombat;282777 Wrote: > Don´t know exactly how this is defined electricaly but once i read how > to connect units in Phase. I measure the Voltage between ground of the > rca plugs to earth. The unit must be stand alone and not attached to > others. > Correspondending to the direction of the power

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-23 Thread connorml
Thanks, that's it Wombat. -- connorml Reduce to the max! Transporter --> Sommer Cable Epilogue (XLR) --> ME-Geithain RL 922k SqueezeCenter 7.0 - 17793 connorml's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-23 Thread Wombat
Don´t know exactly how this is defined electricaly but once i read how to connect units in Phase. I measure the Voltage between ground of the rca plugs to earth. The unit must be stand alone and not attached to others. Correspondending to the direction of the power plug this voltage changes. The d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-23 Thread amcluesent
Balanced AC Power Conditioner being tried? -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45195 _

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-23 Thread seanadams
It is the standard wiring for an IEC plug, and hot is the one that goes to the fuse. What are you trying to do?? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-23 Thread connorml
I want to know which pin at the power connector is hot. -- connorml Reduce to the max! Transporter --> Sommer Cable Epilogue (XLR) --> ME-Geithain RL 922k SqueezeCenter 7.0 - 17793 connorml's Profile: http://forums.slimde

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-23 Thread Pat Farrell
seanadams wrote: > Uh... zero degrees? Or were you asking something else? Just a guess, the OP is probably asking about which pin is hot on the XLR outputs. There is no official standard, altho most boxes use pin 2 hot. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ _

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-23 Thread seanadams
Uh... zero degrees? Or were you asking something else? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45195 ___

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where is the Phase at the Transporters Connector?

2008-03-23 Thread connorml
Hello, can anybody tell me where the Phase is at the Transporters Connector? I don´t have a measurement device. Thanks, Connorml -- connorml Reduce to the max! Transporter --> Sommer Cable Epilogue (XLR) --> ME-Geithain RL 922k SqueezeCenter 7.0 - 17793 --