Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-12-08 Thread SoftwireEngineer
Videodrome;247681 Wrote: > That receiver has been quite the buzz in the home theater forums. The > fact is supports the new codecs (especially DTS HD MA) makes it very > tempting. Provided the Onkyo's preamp section is decent for 2-channel, > and if it has pre outs, you could add a finesse two

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-12-08 Thread Videodrome
That receiver has been quite the buzz in the home theater forums. The fact is supports the new codecs (especially DTS HD MA) makes it very tempting. Provided the Onkyo's preamp section is decent for 2-channel, and if it has pre outs, you could add a finesse two channel amp for your mains and hav

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-12-07 Thread jmourik
Recently I've been thinking that something like an Onkyo 805 ( http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR805&p=i&class=Receiver ) with it's Burr Brown dacs would be as good as getting an external dac. For a bit over $700 currently on amazon.com it's quite a steal. And it would give me the option of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-12-05 Thread tricka
With respect to all the posters everyone's point of view is correct in it's own way. I would suggest that the overall syngery between the components is more important than the one link in the chain. $$$ cost doesn't necessarily predicate the level of performance and you should listen with your ear

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-12-04 Thread Pat Farrell
smarco wrote: > I don't think I have audiophile ears, but I'm able to distinguish $2-3k > amps or speakers from $500-$1k ones. So when audiophiles say there is a > "huge" difference, I assume "ok, there may be a slightly audible > difference. :) Give that man a cigar. > Zhaolu seems to provide sl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-12-04 Thread smarco
I don't think I have audiophile ears, but I'm able to distinguish $2-3k amps or speakers from $500-$1k ones. So when audiophiles say there is a "huge" difference, I assume "ok, there may be a slightly audible difference. :) I recently got a Zhaolu D3, and tried A-B comparison with the internal DA

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-25 Thread opaqueice
You could also just download inguz's plugin and use that to turn up the treble. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-24 Thread tyler_durden
In the old days, when amps had tone controls, people used to just turn up the treble a little to get more "life" in the music. Now they spend several hundred dollars on DACs and interconnect cables (like dumb and dumber) in feeble attempts to get the same effect. Get yourself a 70s-80s vintage a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-18 Thread zanash
A different dac will give a different sound not necessarily better...but lets hope that a more expensive dac has a better performance. A better dac psu will give you more of what the dac does with out too much change in charactor ..for me better cables are the icing on the cake again these shoul

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-18 Thread Mark Lanctot
SoftwireEngineer;243255 Wrote: > The stock SB3 has some jitter which really shows up in the listening. Huh? Most tests show the jitter as fairly low. Do you have scope images? > One should also try a better supply or power conditioner or better > interconnects before adding more components to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-16 Thread SoftwireEngineer
The stock SB3 has some jitter which really shows up in the listening. I would describe the sound as 'soft' and 'blurred' (although like everything in audiophila is relative). Atleast, when compared to my Philips 963sa. I sent it in for digital mods to Boldercables.com and this improved to a great

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-13 Thread Acme
In my case I use a Zhaolu D3 with great results. The opAmp in mine were not Lt-1057 but Lt-1028. The 1028 are single type opAmp. I replaced them with BurrBrown opa627 with greater results ! And I am waiting to receive Burson 'discrete components' module that will replace the opa627 ... --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-12 Thread bearotti
You want to "brighten" your sound and move the soundstage "in front" of your speakersthis goes against every "audiophile" stands for IMO. If you want to simply brighen your sound try a set of Nordost Blue Heaven interconnects...right around $120 a pair...these will brighten your sound. If yo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-12 Thread slwiser
westernboy;240238 Wrote: > Hi cgull (clever name, btw). In response to your original post, I can > recommend the Beresford TC-7510 external DAC, providing it has the > 'Class A' output mod. At around 140 UK pound sterling, it was better > than the modded Channel Islands VDA-1 I tried previously

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-11 Thread zanash
the three benchmark dac1 I've heard have been rather poor compared with the behringer deq 2496 [used as dac only] the src 2496. I agree the dac1 sounded thin and bright to the point of unlistenable in the system it was being used in ...this does illistrate that it was showing up the dvd player tha

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-11 Thread morris_minor
I've just got my SB3 and am having good results feeding into a Sonifex Redbox DAC1 (£435) Sonifex make broadcast equipment and one enterprising audio dealer got the company to make a more domestically acceptable version by lopping off the rack mount. Here's a link to Sonifex: http://www.audioat

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-11 Thread cybervision_
I currently own a Beresford DAC and I am running it with SB3/Creek Destiny and Monitor Audio GS20s... It sounds terrific, but I can`t help thinking that there may be more to extract on the source-side og the amp. Which DAC would you recommend? -- cybervision_ ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-09 Thread dwc
This guy makes great DACs on the "cheap." I have two of his older models. http://myworld.ebay.com/mhdtlab/ -- dwc dwc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1892 View this thread: http://forums.slimde

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-06 Thread Videodrome
russelk;240026 Wrote: > I disagree with the statement that the speaekers will contribute about > 95% of the system character. During my last upgrade I kept my speakers > (Quad 12L) but replaced the source and amplification (Linn > Creek) - > the change in sound was staggering. Speaking for myself

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-06 Thread zanash
westernboy;240238 Wrote: > Hi cgull (clever name, btw). In response to your original post, I can > recommend the Beresford TC-7510 external DAC, providing it has the > 'Class A' output mod. At around 140 UK pound sterling, it was better > than the modded Channel Islands VDA-1 I tried previously

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-05 Thread steve34
I don't own an sb3 as yet but use the software version for time being across pc network I use 'dac-in the box' between my dvd player(recorder) and amp. I first read about the dac on the headfi forums and decided to buy one due to the budget price & positive comments on the forums. There's a newe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-04 Thread swhite58
I have the Zhaolu D3.0. For me it's an enormous improvement over the SB3 internal DAC. Shane -- swhite58 Clark Connect Linux file server->SB3->Zhaolu D3 DAC->NAD C320BEE->Polk Monitor 4.5 speakers/Sennheiser headphones ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-04 Thread westernboy
cgull;240224 Wrote: > Bitrate is great. I have a bunch of 24/48000 flacs to test with. > > I just installed the Inguz EQ plugin and it vastly improved sound. > Gonna look into the room correction stuff now. This may temporarily > cure my upgradeitis. Still on the fence for a dac. Hi cgull (clev

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-04 Thread cgull
cliveb;240105 Wrote: > OK, fair enough. You've done a comparison and decided you prefer the > sound of the Toshiba DVD player to the SB3. But before spending any > money, be sure to check that you're not accidentally bitrate limiting > the feed to the SB3, and also make sure your comparison of DV

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-04 Thread USAudio
I've tried a couple high-quality DAC's and was shocked at the level of improvement over the SB3's analog outputs. This might be over your budget but I've been very pleased with the $599 CIAudio VDA-2: http://www.ciaudio.com/vda2.html -- USAudio SB3 > CIAudio VDA-2/VAC-1 > CIAudio PLC-1 > CIAu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-04 Thread cliveb
cgull;240075 Wrote: > Last night I did a test of a Toshiba SD4700/standard cd vs SB3/flac. The > Toshiba sounded significantly better, no question about it. So I know > that my amp/speaks are capable of producing a sound that is good to my > ears. This is whats leading me down the DAC path. OK, f

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-04 Thread cgull
cliveb;240019 Wrote: > Belief can send you down all sorts of blind alleys. What actual evidence > do you have that the SB3's DAC is the limiting factor? The DAC in the > SB3 is actually pretty damn good. > > An obvious point to make is that your speakers will be contributing > about 95% of the o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-04 Thread russelk
cliveb;240019 Wrote: > Belief can send you down all sorts of blind alleys. What actual evidence > do you have that the SB3's DAC is the limiting factor? The DAC in the > SB3 is actually pretty damn good. > > An obvious point to make is that your speakers will be contributing > about 95% of the o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-04 Thread cliveb
cgull;239877 Wrote: > I am looking to add an external DAC as I believe the internal DAC is the > weakest link in my audio chain. Belief can send you down all sorts of blind alleys. What actual evidence do you have that the SB3's DAC is the limiting factor? The DAC in the SB3 is actually pretty da

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-03 Thread zanash
try the behringer src 2496.its cheap £80ish has loads of facilities and at the price very difficult to get a better sounding dacit can be modded with a small amount of effort to live with dacs in the £600 bracket. -- zanash Acoustician and builder of interesting cables --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-03 Thread amcluesent
>I think what I mean by brightness is that the SB3 sounds a bit muted (even flat) to me< Have you considered the Ignuz plug-in? -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 Vie

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-03 Thread cgull
JJZolx;239906 Wrote: > If you want to increase the brightness then get something really > inexpensive, no tubes in the output stage, and preferably 10 or more > years old. That was a prominent quality of early DACs and a quality > that *all* modern DACs strive to avoid. Most people generally do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-03 Thread JJZolx
If you want to increase the brightness then get something really inexpensive, no tubes in the output stage, and preferably 10 or more years old. That was a prominent quality of early DACs and a quality that *all* modern DACs strive to avoid. Most people generally don't like brightness in a sourc

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which "budget constrained" DAC for SB3?

2007-11-03 Thread cgull
I am looking to add an external DAC as I believe the internal DAC is the weakest link in my audio chain. I am hoping to increase the brightness and move the sound stage out. I am not going to spend allot of $$ bc I would rather re-invest more frequently as chip technology advances and costs less