Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread ghostrider
JezA;486606 Wrote: > Why should the louder one be perceived as better? > > If someone plays the violin badly, I would prefer them to play quieter. > (Ideally silently). > > Would I prefer JBLs driven by a terrible amplifier played really loud > to QUAD electrostatics driven by a decent valve am

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread mlsstl
JezA wrote: > Why should the louder one be perceived as better? > > If someone plays the violin badly, I would prefer them to play quieter. > (Ideally silently). You are confusing separate issues. The performance standard of a musician is a completely different subject from the perceived quality

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread Pat Farrell
JezA wrote: > Why should the louder one be perceived as better? Its well established, scientific tests and all that. Humans are very good at detecting louder signals, but they are very bad at detecting that the reason they prefer one over another is just the loudness. Probably comes from the need

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread JezA
Why should the louder one be perceived as better? If someone plays the violin badly, I would prefer them to play quieter. (Ideally silently). -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 V

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread ghostrider
:rofl: -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread audiomuze
kphinney;484737 Wrote: > I never said price = performance, but it just so happens that FLAC, WAV, > and ALAC rips sound less pleasing, less full, and a mere shadow of a > sound stage when played thru my $1600 TP as compared to my CD Transport > and DAC that pair up well for a hefty price. The so

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread Themis
It is impossible to A/B compare two hifi components close enough (souces, amplifiers, cables, etc) which have a 1dB (or sometimes less) difference. The louder one is always considered as "more open", "more detailed" etc. I made the experiment with twice the _same_ component. The 1dB louder is alw

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread radish
JezA;486304 Wrote: > Do you need to level match two pianists to make a judgement about their > ability? > Pianist? No. Piano? I would say Yes. You're judging different things, if you can't see that...well. -- radish 'HELP ME RAISE MONEY FOR CHILDREN'S CANCER RESEARCH!' (HTTP://WWW.ADAMREE

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread Pat Farrell
cunobeli...@mac.com wrote: > This is getting to look very much like arguing for ego rather than truth, > otherwise known as trolling. +1 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread tomjtx
JezA;486304 Wrote: > Do you need to level match two pianists to make a judgement about their > ability? > > Do you have to sit in the same seat in a concert hall to judge two > performances? > > Will sitting close to a bad violinist make them sound better than > sitting further away from a good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread cunobelinus
This is getting to look very much like arguing for ego rather than truth, otherwise known as trolling. If it were not, there would be no need to start reaching for such patently - and ludicrously - false analogies and . Does it really need to be said that the closer one is to a musician, the mor

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread loserica
JezA;486304 Wrote: > > Will sitting close to a bad violinist make them sound better than > sitting further away from a good one? No, but standing closer to a violinist having a very slightly bad day may sound better than staying further away from the same violinist on a different day. I think

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-17 Thread JezA
Do you need to level match two pianists to make a judgement about their ability? Do you have to sit in the same seat in a concert hall to judge two performances? Will sitting close to a bad violinist make them sound better than sitting further away from a good one? -- JezA ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-16 Thread tomjtx
kphinney;486089 Wrote: > Yet you still insist that I can't make a valid judgment without an SPL? > I prefer to go with what my ears want, not engineers from Linn or MD PhD > BA and Total BS self proclaimed experts whom have never sat in my > chair. > > Tom for President!!! He's magic and knows

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-16 Thread tomjtx
JezA;486200 Wrote: > tomjtx .. I can't find any reference to or use of the "PRAT" - pace, > rhythm and timing - phrase on the Linn website or in any of their > marketing material. I think this was a phrase that some hifi journalists > invented some years ago, and is more commonly associated with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-16 Thread kphinney
JezA;486200 Wrote: > tomjtx .. I can't find any reference to or use of the "PRAT" - pace, > rhythm and timing - phrase on the Linn website or in any of their > marketing material. I think this was a phrase that some hifi journalists > invented some years ago, and is more commonly associated with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-16 Thread JezA
tomjtx .. I can't find any reference to or use of the "PRAT" - pace, rhythm and timing - phrase on the Linn website or in any of their marketing material. I think this was a phrase that some hifi journalists invented some years ago, and is more commonly associated with NAIM equipment. -- JezA -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-16 Thread audiomuze
kphinney;486089 Wrote: > Yet you still insist that I can't make a valid judgment without an SPL? > I prefer to go with what my ears want, not engineers from Linn or MD PhD > BA and Total BS self proclaimed experts whom have never sat in my > chair. > > Tom for President!!! He's magic and knows

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-16 Thread kphinney
tomjtx;486086 Wrote: > The recording engineers aren't necessarily the one's that came up with > that silly PRAT terminology. > Besides, they are engineers, not musicians. > > I have been a[ yadda yadda yadda...] As a trained musician I find > myself feeling embarased for the Linn "engineers

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-16 Thread tomjtx
JezA;485941 Wrote: > tomjtx, the Linn engineers who you call "musically illiterate" include > guys who have made award winning classical music and jazz recordings. > > Why don't you get your facts right before you hurl abuse? > > What recordings have you made, that we may judge your competence

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-16 Thread Themis
JezA;485941 Wrote: > tomjtx, the Linn engineers who you call "musically illiterate" include > guys who have made award winning classical music and jazz recordings. > ... > > What other top-end hi-fi company has made such a large body of high > quality recordings? This is all very true. Neverthel

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-16 Thread JezA
tomjtx, the Linn engineers who you call "musically illiterate" include guys who have made award winning classical music and jazz recordings. Why don't you get your facts right before you hurl abuse? What recordings have you made, that we may judge your competence from? -- JezA ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-15 Thread tomjtx
kphinney;485735 Wrote: > Apparently you are right. Maybe we should have an insult forum also. > > Thanks for the input Phil. I'm going to see if I can arrange an > in-home for the Klimax and Akurate DSs. In the show room I agree the > Klimax DS is superior, but I'm not sure if my system has

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-15 Thread adamslim
Well I've just agreed to buy a Linn Akurate DS, my first ever Linn product. I'm hoping to do a comparison of the Linn, Transporter, SB+ and possibly the Modwright Transporter too, which would be fun. -- adamslim You can't have too much music, but I do have too much hifi SB+, Audion Pre, 6B4G

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-15 Thread kphinney
Phil Leigh;485685 Wrote: > I think you may have accidentally logged-on to the wrong forum. > > Given that Linn has been going since 1972, I know which way I'd bet my > money. > The Linn Klimax DS is the best DS I've heard yet by a country mile IMO. > It's just very, very expensive... Apparently

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-15 Thread Phil Leigh
kphinney;485396 Wrote: > Stay on topic and there wouldn't be any issue. I think you may have accidentally logged-on to the wrong forum. Given that Linn has been going since 1972, I know which way I'd bet my money. The Linn Klimax DS is the best DS I've heard yet by a country mile IMO. It's ju

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-15 Thread Pat Farrell
kphinney wrote: > To bring it fully around to my original question: My Rotel and Linn > gear from the 70's are still supported by the manufacturer and still > sound great. In You Opinion will the TP sound and support live a full > 40 years into the future? Not a prayer of a chance. My Nikon F ca

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-15 Thread tomjtx
kphinney;485396 Wrote: > Stay on topic and there wouldn't be any issue. I think it's more likely > that CliveB, who was correcting the nomenclature I used to described my > observations, was actually trying to get to the route of the issue and > that is much appreciated. > > Unlike CliveB, your

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-14 Thread kphinney
audiomuze;485344 Wrote: > Careful CliveB, apparently disagreeing with kphinney constitutes an OT > post. Stay on topic and there wouldn't be any issue. I think it's more likely that CliveB, who was correcting the nomenclature I used to described my observations, was actually trying to get to th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-14 Thread Themis
audiomuze;485344 Wrote: > Careful CliveB, apparently disagreeing with kphinney constitutes an OT > post. lol ^^ -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Cyrus 8xp - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://foru

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-14 Thread audiomuze
cliveb;484916 Wrote: > Be careful using words like "corrected".Careful CliveB, apparently > disagreeing with kphinney constitutes an OT post. -- audiomuze audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?use

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-13 Thread cliveb
kphinney;484806 Wrote: > The TP without DAC offers a much reduced soundstage and an analytical > sound that is mostly corrected with a tube amp and tube pre. Be careful using words like "corrected". You're implying that there's something wrong with the analogue signal from the TP which after bein

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread Rodney_Gold
Themis;484697 Wrote: > An alternative seems to be PS Audio : http://www.psaudio.com/ I have the PS audio Perfect wave dac in my system , the so called "bridge" is still vapourware and will not replace a SB/TP it also wont have a decent interface unless you own an Iphone or something...it's IMHO

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread kphinney
loserica;484801 Wrote: > How does the TP compare as a transport to your CD transport ? Are you > using it via coax or aes/ebu ? > Thanks The TP without DAC offers a much reduced soundstage and an analytical sound that is mostly corrected with a tube amp and tube pre. The TP with DAC is amazing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread loserica
kphinney;484737 Wrote: > > > I never said price = performance, but it just so happens that FLAC, > WAV, and ALAC rips sound less pleasing, less full, and a mere shadow of > a sound stage when played thru my $1600 TP as compared to my CD > Transport and DAC that pair up well for a hefty price.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread Themis
Phil Leigh;484732 Wrote: > Guess I must be weird then? :-):D Back to topic, I guess it won't be long before most of the established firms making transports get into media streaming. At the moment, they just add this as an "option" to other products (like my Denon AV amp, for instance) but it wo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread kphinney
audiomuze;484677 Wrote: > So price = performance in the audiophile world :D. Keep chasing that > rainbow, clearly it gives you something to do :) Are you purposely acting ignorant and non-helpful or should I read deeper into your messages to find the hidden on-topic points? I never said price

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread Phil Leigh
Themis;484636 Wrote: > In any case, usually people who buy Linn wouldn't buy something else. > And (it seems) people who buy other gear don't buy Linn, most probably > because of the quality/price ratio. ;) > > So, you mean perhaps "what are the alternatives to the Majik DS" ? :D Guess I must b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread Themis
An alternative seems to be PS Audio : http://www.psaudio.com/ -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Cyrus 8xp - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View thi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread audiomuze
kphinney;484605 Wrote: > Personally, (in my opinion only) I think the TP is very, very light. I > also think it is the least expensive piece of my gear except for a few > of my cables and while it does sound good to me, it is the weakest link > in my system. > > That brings us back to the point

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread Themis
In any case, usually people who buy Linn wouldn't buy something else. And (it seems) people who buy other gear don't buy Linn, most probably because of the quality/price ratio. ;) So, you mean perhaps "what are the alternatives to the Majik DS" ? :D -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Cyrus

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-12 Thread kphinney
empty99;484465 Wrote: > Here's hoping that the healthy "open-source" forums like ours to come up > with solutions for the TP when Logitech no longer support it. I am still > holding out for a $900 unit (to replace my SB3+MFA3.24DAC) ;^) It would be nice to compile a list of other streaming trans

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-11 Thread empty99
kphinney;484428 Wrote: > Totally agree. Although I liked my rechargeable $300 Harmony much more > than the AAA sucking flimsy $99 one they sent me as a replacement. My > point being, will they replace a broken TP with a NPR-in-the-kitchen > worthy Squeeze Radio? Here's hoping that the healthy

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-11 Thread audiomuze
kphinney;484429 Wrote: > Good to hear - I enjoy mine very much also, but the price of a TP + a > worthy DAC can get you in to a few other higher end streaming > transports, no? With all due respect, unless your listening environment is optimally configured, you're chasing a rainbow. Even if it'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-11 Thread kphinney
dennis55;483447 Wrote: > > almost two years on, i still enjoy my Transporter whatever "border" you > chose.;) > > dennis Good to hear - I enjoy mine very much also, but the price of a TP + a worthy DAC can get you in to a few other higher end streaming transports, no? -- kphinney -I like i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-11 Thread kphinney
empty99;483409 Wrote: > I liked my Harmony remote w/ its smart downloadable programing tricks > for all my gears but disliked the buttons size and arrangement on it. Totally agree. Although I liked my rechargeable $300 Harmony much more than the AAA sucking flimsy $99 one they sent me as a repl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-09 Thread dennis55
kphinney "In fact, the TP is borderline audiophile quality." almost two years on, i still enjoy my Transporter whatever "border" you chose.;) dennis -- dennis55 Slim Devices/Logitech Transporter Bonnec Audiosysteme Timpano Linn Products Akurate C4200 Totem Acoustics Forest SqueezeBox Radio D

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-09 Thread empty99
I liked my Harmony remote w/ its smart downloadable programing tricks for all my gears but disliked the buttons size and arrangement on it. -- empty99 empty99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3488

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-08 Thread ghostrider
I haven't seen any announcement from Logitech that the Transporter or support for it has or will be withdrawn. Just more internet drivel. :rolleyes: Of course if you feel the need to spend more money..feel free! -- ghostrider -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-08 Thread kphinney
JezA;483039 Wrote: > Logitech are now claiming that the Touch has "audiophile acoustics". > Draw your own conclusions! > > http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/&cl=gb,en Well, it is better than an unmodified SB3, but both require an outboard DAC for anything

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-08 Thread JezA
Logitech are now claiming that the Touch has "audiophile acoustics". Draw your own conclusions! http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/&cl=gb,en -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slim

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-11-07 Thread kphinney
Does anyone have more recent experience with the TP vs. Majik DS? It's upgrade time and I'm not thrilled with the likely prospect of the Transporter being discontinued (or supported by a co. known for their Mice and Webcams). I don't want to be left in the cold if/when it's time for support, but

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-04-03 Thread krzys
cliveb;412612 Wrote: > That must explain why my telephone (400Hz - 1000Hz) sounds so fabulous > :-) I didn't invent this rule and I'm sure the sound is equilibrate with 400-1000 , try some weird combination like 40-1000 or 400-1 on your phone and report the result ;-) -- krzys --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-04-03 Thread Muggy
I've upgraded my rig so it only plays 632.455Hz sine waves - stunning! -- Muggy Muggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2258 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-04-03 Thread PBA
cliveb;412612 Wrote: > That must explain why my telephone (400Hz - 1000Hz) sounds so fabulous > :-) Hear hear ! -- PBA Transporter - Dual Connect - Thorhauge Audio Tube I. 270 - Dual Connect - modded Magnepan PBA's Prof

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-04-03 Thread cliveb
krzys;412527 Wrote: > Same observation for me Phil, better highs make better bass. I explain > it to myself by the 400 000 law: the lowest frequency multiplied by the > highest one should give 400 000 in order to give well equilibrate sound. > For example 20Hz * 20 000 Hz = 400 000 ;-) > Chris Th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-04-02 Thread krzys
Phil Leigh;412499 Wrote: > > I can hear the (effects of the) supertweeters. They make the bass sound > better to me (I don't understand why). > :) Same observation for me Phil, better highs make better bass. I explain it to myself by the 400 000 law: the lowest frequency multiplied by the high

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-04-02 Thread Phil Leigh
Patrick Dixon;412349 Wrote: > Phil, you have super tweeters and you don't think transports can make > any difference? > > ;-) Yes and Yes. I can hear the (effects of the) supertweeters. They make the bass sound better to me (I don't understand why). They kick in quite low (17k I think). I can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-04-02 Thread Patrick Dixon
Phil, you have super tweeters and you don't think transports can make any difference? ;-) -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-03-31 Thread Phil Leigh
browellm;411744 Wrote: > I fixed your quote ;-) > > In all seriousness, I am sure there are many, many merits to the Linn > sound. I haven't auditioned them, but if I liked the Linn house sound > wouldn't I be better using a TP as transport for greater overall > flexibility and ease of use, cou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-03-31 Thread WhatsNext
browellm;411744 Wrote: > I fixed your quote ;-) > > In all seriousness, I am sure there are many, many merits to the Linn > sound. I haven't auditioned them, but if I liked the Linn house sound > wouldn't I be better using a TP as transport for greater overall > flexibility and ease of use, cou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-03-31 Thread browellm
WhatsNext;411575 Wrote: > I have done the AB thing on TP vs DS and I found that the Sneaky and > Majik were more musical than the TP. If you read the marketeers > comments on the Linn Forum they will tell you that they use Tune Dem > when they marketeer their products. They first go for maximum

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-03-30 Thread WhatsNext
Phil Leigh;400666 Wrote: > Guys - guys - calm down. All DAC's are "voiced" to some extent otherwise > they would sound dangerously similar. I'm very familiar with Linn gear. > It has a "house sound" that you either love or hate - most folks aren't > neutral about this. I like it. I'd generally ne

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-28 Thread tomjtx
It's nice to see everyone getting along so well. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-28 Thread opaqueice
Patrick Dixon;400607 Wrote: > In theory yes, but in practice they're measured in quite different ways > and can give different results. So then what was the point of your question? > > My mistake. I assumed that when talking with such authority, you would > at least have had some facts to bas

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-25 Thread JezA
A NAIM DAC isn't far away either .. http://forums.naim-audio.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8772903417/m/4852964817 -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.sli

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-25 Thread Phil Leigh
Guys - guys - calm down. All DAC's are "voiced" to some extent otherwise they would sound dangerously similar. I'm very familiar with Linn gear. It has a "house sound" that you either love or hate - most folks aren't neutral about this. I like it. I'd generally never describe Linn DIGITAL gear as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-25 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;400034 Wrote: > What about it? The complex frequency response is precisely equivalent > to the impulse responseIn theory yes, but in practice they're measured in > quite different ways and can give different results. opaqueice;400034 Wrote: > > Where did I say I measured them? My

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-24 Thread spoon
sebbe_sabb;399844 Wrote: > +MajikDS & IpodTouch+PlugPlayer is a ok interface that do display > albumart when album plays (not when browsing) > /sebbe Have a look at Songbook: http://bookshelfapps.com/songbook.php -- spoon Spoon-www.dbpoweramp.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread opaqueice
Patrick Dixon;399734 Wrote: > So what about the impulse response? What about it? The complex frequency response is precisely equivalent to the impulse response, and the phase is irrelevant (unless it's -extremely- far from linear). > And how exactly did you measure the frequency response of th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread darrenyeats
DaveWr;399740 Wrote: > Well here is John Atkinson Measurements (Copyright Stereophile) > > I agree with Patrick, I think that a lot of variation in audio > presentation is due to transient / phase effects. > > Dave Certainly there isn't much in these measurements, I think we can all agree on th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread tomjtx
sebbe , did you level match using a SPL ? That can make a big difference. It would be interesting to see if you hear a diff. level matched and blind. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread DaveWr
I am with you, I posted the images to show what a respected measurement guy gets. This is not the whole story. Ears still seem best. People for decades have looked at measurements - some definitely indicate weaknesses that will be heard, but you still seem to get different perceptions of music

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread sebbe_sabb
I would love to understand the previous images, nut have no clue. Im just a mech. engineer who learnt to trust my ears when buying audio. I did a recompare the Transporter to the MajikDS this weekend, just to refresh my memory. I did have different signal cables (linn black in transporter, linn s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread DaveWr
The two variants are for the Linn Majik CD Player - with and without pre-emphasis. Load does make a difference in some cases. These were all 100K. Atkinson found some significant variations in other player as the load was reduced, postulated caused by output capacitor. Dave -- DaveWr --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread Patrick Dixon
DaveWr;399740 Wrote: > Well here is John Atkinson Measurements (Copyright Stereophile) > > I agree with Patrick, I think that a lot of variation in audio > presentation is due to transient / phase effects. > > Dave Hmm, well difficult to compare since one is to a different scale and one seems

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread DaveWr
Well here is John Atkinson Measurements (Copyright Stereophile) I agree with Patrick, I think that a lot of variation in audio presentation is due to transient / phase effects. Dave +---+ |Filename: 906SB3FIG1.jpg

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;399548 Wrote: > Because any high-end digital source will have a flat frequency response > down to below the threshold of audibility.So what about the impulse response? And how exactly did you measure the frequency response of the Linn DS kit and the Transporter? -- Patrick Dixon ww

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-23 Thread DaveWr
Sorry, but I agree with Mr Sukebe about differences, I was in the market 7 years ago for a new CD player. I spent several hours in my local dealers listening room. Equipment under review Cyrs, Naim, Linn and Tag McLaren (just before they disappeared. All equipment was used with same amplifier,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-22 Thread opaqueice
Mr_Sukebe;399586 Wrote: > I've got to ask, how many "high-end" digital sources have you listened > to? More than I can count. > The ones that I've heard over the years generally sounded quite > different in their presentations, which would seem to contradict your > statement a little. Not at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-22 Thread Wombat
Well, if i read that right opaqueice more or less says that all serious sources present the perceived bass equal cause the frequency response is equal. So all this different sounding is just a mass-hysteria lasting more than 20 years! Since then most serious devices already had a real flat frequen

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-22 Thread Mr_Sukebe
opaqueice;399548 Wrote: > Because any high-end digital source will have a flat frequency response > down to below the threshold of audibility, while on the other hand your > brain (and speakers and room) has an enormous effect on your perception > of the amount of bass. Unless one of them is bro

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-22 Thread opaqueice
JezA;399489 Wrote: > Yes, Why is it at all absurd? Because any high-end digital source will have a flat frequency response down to below the threshold of audibility, while on the other hand your brain (and speakers and room) has an enormous effect on your perception of the amount of bass. Unles

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-22 Thread darrenyeats
Any decent digital source will have incredible bass extension, flat response and low distortion in comparison to even the most sophisticated loudspeakers. I don't know of any loudspeakers that are anywhere near flat down to 5Hz - and if they exist certainly they will add major problems with group

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-22 Thread JezA
opaqueice;398750 Wrote: > The idea that the Linn could have "more bass" than the Transporter is > absurd. > > Try a blind test. Yes, Why is it at all absurd? -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-22 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice;398750 Wrote: > The idea that the Linn could have "more bass" than the Transporter is > absurd. > > Why? [padding ...] -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-20 Thread darrenyeats
Not all blind testing is ABX. And not all ABX uses short snippets. Every listening method has problems. Some people are laughably lax when it comes to their sighted listening methodology and then turn suddenly into forensic lawyers when discussing blind methodology. AKA Cognitive Dissonance. Darr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-20 Thread tomjtx
browellm;398752 Wrote: > It does make me laugh when people blithely accept ABX blind testing as > the _only_ way to critically evaluate audio components. > > In what sense is an ABX test anywhere near approaching the way we > listen to music for pleasure? Listening to 30 second snippets of music

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-20 Thread browellm
tomjtx;398733 Wrote: > If you mean intellectually deaf I quite agree :-) > > IMO people are being intellectually dishonest with themselves if they > refuse to do a blind test. > > Did you compare the dacs blind ? It does make me laugh when people blithely accept ABX blind testing as the _only_

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-20 Thread opaqueice
sebbe_sabb;397532 Wrote: > > Sound differences? > Clearly more bass, more PRAT and so on on the Linn. Call me biased > (since I own other Linn equipments) but the DS owns the Transporter > soundwise but the server solution & usability is much better on the > Transporter. The idea that the Linn

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-20 Thread tomjtx
Manelus;398693 Wrote: > It can be surprising how "differences" vanish when the listening is done > deaf :) If you mean intellectually deaf I quite agree :-) IMO people are being intellectually dishonest with themselves if they refuse to do a blind test. Did you compare the dacs blind ? --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-20 Thread Manelus
tomjtx;398669 Wrote: > It can be surprising how "differences" vanish when the listening is done > blind. It can be surprising how "differences" vanish when the listening is done deaf :) -- Manelus Manelus's Profile: http

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-20 Thread tomjtx
Manelus;398648 Wrote: > Magik is not better > Akurate is different, not better. > Klimax is better. > (Tested at home, all day long) I suspect in a DBT you would be unable to identify a difference in any of those products, let alone assign a SQ judgement. It can be surprising how "differences"

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-20 Thread Manelus
Magik is not better Akurate is different, not better. Klimax is better. (Tested at home, all day long) -- Manelus Manelus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8289 View this thread: http://forums.sli

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-19 Thread tomjtx
I have compared Transporter to both those Linn products and I don't think either one sounds better. You have to level match and do blind AB comparos( which I did) to make any meaningful judgement. People have a tendency to hear more expensive gear as being better, that's where blind listening com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-18 Thread browellm
Mr_Sukebe;397568 Wrote: > There are comments on both HifiWigwam and Pinkfish comparing the two. I > don't consider either forum to be particularly pro either product. Thanks Mr S. I don't remember reading any comparisons on HiFiWigwam, but will have a look at PF to see what the conclusions are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-17 Thread Mr_Sukebe
browellm;397527 Wrote: > Would this be on the Linn forums? It would help you you could reference > the source. There are comments on both HifiWigwam and Pinkfish comparing the two. I don't consider either forum to be particularly pro either product. -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impul

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-17 Thread sebbe_sabb
I own both a Transporter and a Majik DS. They sound very different with the DS being clearly the better music plyer. The GUI on the Linn do suck. You have to buy a Iphone/Ipodtouch & use a twonky control point software (plugplayer) to make it as usable (almost) as the Transporters Squeezecenter. A

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-17 Thread browellm
Mr_Sukebe;397446 Wrote: > Just read some comments elsewhere by people who've run direct > comparisons between the various DS products and the transporter. In > short, the people in question preferred every one of the DS range to > the Tranporter, even the cheapest Sneaky, so I'd expect the Majik

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS

2009-02-17 Thread radish
No licensing needed, Linn could have decided to make their stuff SB compatible based on open specs but clearly decided not to. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread

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