Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-13 Thread kkitts
Hi All, I don't think I really qualify as an audiophile - but I'm pretty certain that I can hear the difference between 128Kbps mp3 or aac files and a CD. As the bit rates go higher it gets harder for me to tell. I've recorded all of my CDs at 320Kbps/mp3. I've done a few LPs to wav - but it is ju

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-06 Thread thomsens
rick's cafe;77551 Wrote: > Could someone give me a brief idiots guide to FLAC Ripping vs WAV vs > MP3. I will be playing all my music on SB3 thru a Cambridge Audio 540R > ... any advice or recommendations welcomed. > > Also on avg what is the file size for a CD ripped as FLAC vs the rest > an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-06 Thread sataylor56
Heuer, To follow up, I did some testing yesterday. Starting from a 24/96K recording, I saved the same file in 16/44.1K, 16/48K, 24/48K, and 24/96K flac formats. I could tell the difference between 16 and 24 bits at 48K but going to 96K didn't produce any discernible improvement. 16/44.1K was nast

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread cliveb
Heuer;206953 Wrote: > E-Mu 0202 for the ADC > Spin It Again for the software eboy wants to do this on a Mac. Spin It Again is a Windows product. I know very little about Macs, but my understanding is that most of them have pretty respectable built-in sound, so it may well be that eboy already ha

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread Heuer
eboy;206945 Wrote: > for all the helpful answers... > > my question now is...between the preamps and the computer...what > interface should i use...and what software to record? > > im sorry if this was already answered...have some patience for the > newbies... > e. E-Mu 0202 for the ADC Spin I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread Heuer
cliveb;206934 Wrote: > Well, I've never heard it. Not surprising really, given that it costs > $3000! I'm sure it's a marvelous device, though. > > > That's funny: I'd say quite the opposite - when I record an LP to CD at > 44.1/16, it makes the CD sound just like an LP! Yes the Sutherland is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread eboy
for all the helpful answers... my question now is...between the preamps and the computer...what interface should i use...and what software to record? im sorry if this was already answered...have some patience for the newbies... e. -- eboy --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread cliveb
Heuer;206918 Wrote: > This one gets very close though: > http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_detail.cfm?Title_ID=11728&sct= > Well, I've never heard it. Not surprising really, given that it costs $3000! I'm sure it's a marvelous device, though. Heuer;206918 Wrote: > Can't agree about using

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread cliveb
sataylor56;206907 Wrote: > I compared recording at 16/44.1K and 24/96K and there was a distinct > improvement in sound even when the final file was saved as 16/44.1 I think the most plausible explanation is that maybe the Edirol has a native sample rate of 96kHz and if you ask it to record at 44.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread Heuer
Yes that is pretty much it. A 24/96 FLAC file is about three times the size of a 16/44.1 file and about twice the size of a 24/48 file. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread sataylor56
OK, I was confused. I saw that the SB3 supported flac up to 48K and thought that that was a flac limit. Now I see that the SB3 will accept 24/96K but will down sample to 48K. So I could save everything as 24/96K and the only downside is the increased storage requirements. -- sataylor56

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread Heuer
cliveb;206901 Wrote: > > > And I've never seen a phono preamp with a noise floor as low as -96dB. > As for sample rate: while most LPs have some sort of signal above > 20kHz, it's typically all noise and distortion. Indeed, most LP cutter > heads have low pass filters to prevent exciting resona

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread Mark Lanctot
sataylor56;206907 Wrote: > As far as I know, flac is limited to 48K but does allow 24 bits. FLAC supports up to 32 bits and up to 655 kHz. From http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html#general__samples > FLAC supports linear PCM samples with a resolution between 4 and 32 bits > per sample. > > FL

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread sataylor56
Yes, my goal is "CD quality" although I have LPs that have consistently sounded better than many CDs. I have an old CD player though and my CDs are sounding a lot better after ripping them and playing them through the SB3. Anyway, the Edirol doesn't offer an 88.2K sample rate so I have to use eith

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread Pat Farrell
sataylor56 wrote: > I am using an Edirol UA-1EX to record at 24/96 with Audacity. Since your target is "CD quality" why not record at 24/88.1 Makes the down-sampling trivial -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ aud

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread cliveb
sataylor56;206893 Wrote: > ... I export the file as wav and then run ClickRepair on it. I see we have two recommendations for ClickRepair. It is indeed one of the better auto declickers around, and has the advantage of being written in Java and therefore is available on other platforms as well as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread Heuer
Never personally compared the SQ difference between 44.1k and 48k but perceived wisdom does suggest that downsampling from 96 to 48 is cleaner than going to 44.1 becuase the former is half the frequency. If you are doing 16 bit anyway you might as well go for the CD friendly 16/44.1k rather than

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread sataylor56
I am using an Edirol UA-1EX to record at 24/96 with Audacity. I export the file as wav and then run ClickRepair on it. I then reload into Audacity and export as flac. I am playing these files via a couple of SqeezeBoxes on two different systems in my house. The whole process takes time but it sur

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread Heuer
Personally I use an e-mu 0202 USB ADC connected to the tape out of my pre-amp. http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=610&subcategory=611&product=15186 If you want a quick an easy way of capturing the WAV and auto splitting into tracks the Spin It Again software is superb. http://www.ac

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2007-06-05 Thread eboy
i got a huge collection of vinyls that id like to make backups...my questions are... 1)gear needed to do this? 2) is my best bet flac or wav? 3) if it were flac over wav...what softaware would i use to import from the record player to my computer (mac)? 4) is this convenient to do if im going

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2006-01-12 Thread ron thigpen
A decent, rough rule of thumb for me has been to estimate about 1GB of HDD space needed to store 3 CDs worth of FLAC encoded files. Double this figure if you want to keep a backup of your library on HDD. Background numbers: CDs are averaging about 500 to 550MB. FLAC encoding results in an aver

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2006-01-12 Thread Pat Farrell
rick's cafe wrote: Could someone give me a brief idiots guide to FLAC Ripping vs WAV vs MP3. I'm not sure if you are asking about the file formats or ripping software. Since, this is the audiophiles list, part of the answer can be short and easy. MP3 and other lossy formats throw away parts

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Idiots guide to FLAC vs WAV vs MP3

2006-01-12 Thread Mark Lanctot
Download EAC from here: http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ Configure it using this: http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eac-qs-en.htm To burn to WAV, use the EAC "WAV" button. To burn to FLAC, use the EAC "MP3" button but with the "FLAC (compression)" profile loaded. To burn to MP3, use the EAC "MP3"