[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Edward Martin
an that they were using a > > higher pitch > > >to begin with, since their strings were so much > > better? I think everyone > > >using full gut would agree that the basses just > > need the extra > > >pitch raising to 400 or 415 to sound really > > opti

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Anthony Hind
about what was typical back then, I really wonder if the pitch wasn't higher than we imagine...despite all the wonderful recordings in low pitch 392. Are we merely accepting something because it has been done that way so often? From: howard posner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 1

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Rob MacKillop
ould have us all believe. > Cheers, > Theo > > > -- > *From: *Rob MacKillop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *Date: *Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:57:14 +0000 > *To: *"T. Diehl-Peshkur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *Cc: *baroque Lutelist > *Subject:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Edward Martin
what was typical back then, >I really wonder if the pitch wasn't higher than we imagine...despite all the >wonderful recordings in low pitch 392. >Are we merely accepting something because it has been done that way so >often? > > > >From: howard posner <[EMAIL PROTECT

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Rob MacKillop
>>>On 14/02/2008, T. Diehl-Peshkur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For most string instruments, the usual method was to tune the highest note > as high as comfortable, and go from there.<<< I haven't found a 17th or 18th-century French source for that. Have you? Without a quotation to back you up

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread T. Diehl-Peshkur
despite all the wonderful recordings in low pitch 392. Are we merely accepting something because it has been done that way so often? From: howard posner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:03:08 -0800 To: baroque Lutelist Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music On Feb

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Rob MacKillop
I play at 392 with a string length of 69. My baroque guitar is also at 392 for de Visee. This is a home recording of my 11c: http://www.rmguitar.info/mp3s/11c/TombeauDeDuBut.mp3 Some like that low pitch, others don't. You will read conflicting reports about pitch during this period in France, and

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-13 Thread howard posner
On Feb 13, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Edward Martin wrote: > Yes, the French seem to have played at a lower standard. Well, let's not be unkind... > Even Hoppy > Smith's Vieux Gaultier recording was at 392. I didn't know Hoppy was =06French. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-13 Thread Edward Martin
Yes, the French seem to have played at a lower standard. Even Hoppy Smith's Vieux Gaultier recording was at 392. ed At 05:03 PM 2/13/2008 -0800, howard posner wrote: >On Feb 13, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Edward Martin wrote: > > > Generally, the lute in mid to later 17th century France was the d > > mi

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-13 Thread howard posner
On Feb 13, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Edward Martin wrote: > Generally, the lute in mid to later 17th century France was the d > minor > tuning. The top string was usually at "f". For a length of 68 cm, > generally, a gut treble can go to f at a=415. If you exceed 68 cm, > the > standard for "a" pro

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-13 Thread Edward Martin
Generally, the lute in mid to later 17th century France was the d minor tuning. The top string was usually at "f". For a length of 68 cm, generally, a gut treble can go to f at a=415. If you exceed 68 cm, the standard for "a" probably dropped a bit, as with my many years of experience, the t