Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Conrad Taylor
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Lawson English wrote: > Steve Wessels wrote: > >> That's right. Smalltalk hasn't died. I am fortunate enough to be part of >> a team developing financial software for many years using Smalltalk. >> >> People have predicted Smalltalk's death about as often as App

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Lawson English
All true, but, as I said, there are assumptions: Squeak/Pharo By Example is for total newcomers to programming, or for very experienced programmers looking for a fast intro where they can "read between the lines" for intermediate/advanced info. Design Patterns is hardly intermediate either, I

RE: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Tim Johnson
Squeak by Example is a great place to start, and it is free. After that, An Introduction to Seaside is very good. The Design Patterns Smalltalk Companion puts now-commonplace concepts into context. Chamond Liu's book is also very good. Then for some polish, check Kent Beck's Smalltalk Best P

RE: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Christine Wolfe
I agree 100% It seems like most of the documentation is a tutorial or example but not a straight forward explanation of how to use it. Everything ends up being trial and error. I enjoy the language very much and would be tempted to use it again but realistically a good comprehensive guide would

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Lawson English
Steve Wessels wrote: That's right. Smalltalk hasn't died. I am fortunate enough to be part of a team developing financial software for many years using Smalltalk. People have predicted Smalltalk's death about as often as Apple's death. I think comparisons between Smalltalk and Java have to t