Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread Ken Simpson
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The only way to get the ISPs to take action is through legislation forcing them to do so. And even then such legislation will only make a big impact if it is applied globally. The situation is admittedly rather hopeless... S

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread James Pleger
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Wow, you have my favorite ASNs there :) I really REALLY hope that there is a time in the near future when I can submit a complaint to an ISP and have some sort of peace of mind that it might be acted upon. I am kind of curious

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 PinkFreud wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 10:02:32PM +, John Fraizer babbled thus: > > *snip* > > >>Again, there is no silver bullet. It is *NOT* the responsibility of the

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread Paul Ferguson
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- "James Pleger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I don't think that ISPs are going to care until there is a business model >that will make them money(or save it) and not cost them

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread James Pleger
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --I don't think that ISPs are going to care until there is a business model that will make them money(or save it) and not cost them a bunch of money/staff overhead. It costs a great deal to staff an abuse department that knows wh

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread PinkFreud
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 10:02:32PM +, John Fraizer babbled thus: *snip* > Again, there is no silver bullet. It is *NOT* the responsibility of the > providers to force safe computing down the throat of their customers. I

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J. Oquendo wrote: > John Fraizer wrote: > >> Carrier grade routers are designed to route (or switch in the case of >> MPLS) packets at line-rate. When you start applying ACLs, th

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread J. Oquendo
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --John Fraizer wrote: > Carrier grade routers are designed to route (or switch in the case of > MPLS) packets at line-rate. When you start applying ACLs, the > performance hit is not trivial - especially when you've got interfac

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J. Oquendo wrote: > John Fraizer wrote: > >> Access to ATLAS data is >> limited to ATLAS partners for multiple reasons, not the least of which >> being preventing the miscreants f

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan Yarden wrote: > To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- >>> http://www.infiltrated.net/?p=29 > > Although this seems to be yet another c

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread J. Oquendo
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --John Fraizer wrote: > Access to ATLAS data is > limited to ATLAS partners for multiple reasons, not the least of which > being preventing the miscreants from knowing precisely how it is > gathered, vetted and redistributed. An

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread Jonathan Yarden
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- >> http://www.infiltrated.net/?p=29 Although this seems to be yet another conspiracy theorist hard at work, there are some interesting issues raised. Not the least of which is why is it that network equipment manufacturers ar

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J. Oquendo wrote: > > You're right I should have posted about Peakflow, I've spoken I've dealt > with Sunil James in hopes I could create an open source protection > script based

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread J. Oquendo
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --John Fraizer wrote: > OK. If a service provider (ISP/MSP/*SP) is buying bandwidth based on > data transferred vs raw line rate of the transport medium, there are two > words to describe that provider: "Mom & Pop". It is just t

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread Paul Ferguson
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- John Fraizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >There is a lot going on in the shadows to combat botnets and other >miscreant activities that most folks don't have credentials to kn

Re: [botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread John Fraizer
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 J. Oquendo wrote: > > > > http://www.infiltrated.net/?p=29 > > Biased... In all honesty I don't believe

[botnets] Why ISP's and NSP's Love Botnets

2007-09-21 Thread J. Oquendo
To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --http://www.infiltrated.net/?p=29 Biased... In all honesty I don't believe so -- J. Oquendo "Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta" http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup