Re: [ccp4bb] Two P1 xtals with same xtal contacts give 2 different asymmetric units

2014-01-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
ginal message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] *On Behalf Of > *Gabriel > Moreno > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:50 PM > *To:* CCP4

Re: [ccp4bb] Two P1 xtals with same xtal contacts give 2 different asymmetric units

2014-01-23 Thread Yong Wang
.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Two P1 xtals with same xtal contacts give 2 different asymmetric units Dear CCP4 Contributors, I have a bit of a mystery: Two co-crystals that I picked up from the same grid tray (the two conditions vary slightly in %PEG and [salt], both indexed as P1 (apo structure normally

Re: [ccp4bb] Two P1 xtals with same xtal contacts give 2 different asymmetric units

2014-01-22 Thread Sampson, Jared
Hi Gabriel - If the crystal contacts really are all the same, it sounds to me like your MR program may have just placed the monomers in different but equivalent symmetry-related positions between the two structures. Try moving the outlying monomers to the symmetrically related positions that

Re: [ccp4bb] Two P1 xtals with same xtal contacts give 2 different asymmetric units

2014-01-22 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Gabriel, Couldn't it simply be that your two crystals were indexed differently? If you could give their respective cell parameters, it will be possible to tell whether this is the case. With best wishes, Gerard. -- On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:50:03PM -0800, Gabriel

Re: [ccp4bb] Two P1 xtals with same xtal contacts give 2 different asymmetric units

2014-01-22 Thread Matthew Franklin
Dear Gabriel - You don't say if the two crystals are essentially identical - do they have the same unit cell parameters? I would imagine so. The phenomenon you describe is very common with molecular replacement (is this how you solved it?) or with auto-tracing. Your two structures are, in f

[ccp4bb] Two P1 xtals with same xtal contacts give 2 different asymmetric units

2014-01-22 Thread Gabriel Moreno
Dear CCP4 Contributors, I have a bit of a mystery: Two co-crystals that I picked up from the same grid tray (the two conditions vary slightly in %PEG and [salt], both indexed as P1 (apo structure normally crystallizes in P3221). One dataset was indexed, integrated and scaled with HKL2000. The oth