Re: List Gripes

2015-07-03 Thread COURYHOUSE
I get them too Jay is this because it is AOL mailbox? thanks Ed# In a message dated 7/3/2015 11:40:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dj.tayl...@comcast.net writes: I've been getting those unsubscribe messages on a regular basis, they appeared after I changed my mail from verizon

Re: List Gripes

2015-07-03 Thread Douglas Taylor
I've been getting those unsubscribe messages on a regular basis, they appeared after I changed my mail from verizon to comcast. I was blaming it on comcast, gave them holy hell! But the email does get thru. On 7/3/2015 2:41 PM, Vincent Slyngstad wrote: From: John Willis: Friday, July 03, 201

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Sean Caron
Wasn't it Apollo, that used a pair of 68000s in their very early systems? Best, Sean On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2015-07-04 01:54, m...@markesystems.com wrote: > >> In the late 80’s, I bought from a surplus/junk shop a (by then somewhat >> obsolete) Unix compu

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Sean Caron
I was going to write almost exactly this ... although the Wiki page mentions that AT&T was one of the primary customers of the System/7, AFAIK, the common control on the 1/2/3/4ESS switches was a proprietary WECo design that was highly integrated into the design of the switch itself ... in the 5E,

Have manual: "Operating Instructions for the Remington Rand Automatic Printing Calculator Model 96"

2015-07-03 Thread Alexey Toptygin
It's a 32 page pamphlet, in good condition. "Revised 10-46", but does not appear to have a proper copyright. I found it recently at a used book store. I don't see it online anywhere. I am willing to scan it and/or send the physical copy to someone who needs it. $5 plus shipping to a private

Re: Paired 68000 systems - was Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/03/2015 08:13 PM, Jon Elson wrote: With regard to the 68000 not being restartable after a trap for some instructions such as MOVEM, didn't the Lisa guidelines avoid the problem by avoiding the problem instructions? I'm trying hard to remember--it's been a long time. --Chuck

Re: TTY 33 - Finally

2015-07-03 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On 3 July 2015 at 21:50, Rick Bensene wrote: > Hello, all, > > Today I received a very nice, (mostly) operational Teletype ASR-33. It is in > really stunning condition...no cracks, very little discoloring, everything is > there, and the best part is that it is very clean inside, and it works gr

Re: Paired 68000 systems - was Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/03/2015 09:11 PM, Toby Thain wrote: On 2015-07-03 8:09 PM, Glen Slick wrote: Apollo is the classic example of using plain 68K (two). I always associate it with Tandem: http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/tandem/TR-86.2.pdf Not sure what you are referring to, here. Tandem did not use 6

Paired 68000 systems - was Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Toby Thain
On 2015-07-03 8:09 PM, Glen Slick wrote: On Jul 3, 2015 4:59 PM, "Johnny Billquist" wrote: I find it hard to believe it was a plain 68K in there. That CPU have some serious issues that makes it close to impossible to implement virtual memory or proper usermode protection. (Yes, it can be don

Re: OT: Reading Mac Floppies

2015-07-03 Thread Terry Stewart
Transmac will read read Mac files off 1.44 floppies if you have one of those USB 3,5 inch drives. Terry (Tez) On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jul 2015, Joe Giliberti wrote: > >> Greetings, >> I know this may be OT, but can someone tell me if a modern PC (with a US

Re: TTY 33 - Finally

2015-07-03 Thread william degnan
Sometimes holding the reader clip down with a bit of pressure will help. On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 9:59 PM, william degnan wrote: > It may be the that the reader clip is not in the correct position. What > happens when you push down the blick relay switch in the back that moves > the reader. It'

Re: TTY 33 - Finally

2015-07-03 Thread william degnan
It may be the that the reader clip is not in the correct position. What happens when you push down the blick relay switch in the back that moves the reader. It's the flat, oddly-shaped piece of metal next to the where the yellow and blown wires attach from the UCC-6 http://vintagecomputer.net/t

TTY 33 - Finally

2015-07-03 Thread Rick Bensene
Hello, all, Today I received a very nice, (mostly) operational Teletype ASR-33. It is in really stunning condition...no cracks, very little discoloring, everything is there, and the best part is that it is very clean inside, and it works great as far as I can test it in local mode, except for

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread ben
On 7/3/2015 4:33 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: I can't imagine using NS 4 as my ONLY browser--I've tried, but there will always be a web site using more modern elements that won't render correctly. So people use IE6 on their Windows 7/8 machines as their ONLY browsers? Wow--I'm surprised that your em

RE: list consolidation

2015-07-03 Thread Kevin Parker
Thanks for the great job you do Jay! ++ Kevin Parker ++ -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015 4:36 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: list consolidation FYI - in the fairly near t

Re: AMT DAP 500/600 software available

2015-07-03 Thread Tapley, Mark
On Jul 3, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: > Hi all -- > > Last December I picked up an AMT DAP 600 (64x64 distributed array processor) > which came with a set of manuals and QIC tapes; the manuals are on Bitsavers, > the tapes were just recently (carefully) recovered by Bear and I though

Re: BA23 Cab Kit for a Microvax 3400 (KA640)?

2015-07-03 Thread Glen Slick
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Robert Ferguson wrote: > Hi folks, > > I know that the KA640 was more commonly used in the larger BA213 cabinets, > but is it reasonable to put it in the BA23? > > Is there a cab kit for that combination? What would it include — just the > rear panel, or was there

BA23 Cab Kit for a Microvax 3400 (KA640)?

2015-07-03 Thread Robert Ferguson
Hi folks, I’ve got an empty BA23 (originally used for a 11/23 system), and a KA640 with the appropriate memory. I know that the KA640 was more commonly used in the larger BA213 cabinets, but is it reasonable to put it in the BA23? Is there a cab kit for that combination? What would it includ

Re: OT: Reading Mac Floppies

2015-07-03 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 3 Jul 2015, Joe Giliberti wrote: Greetings, I know this may be OT, but can someone tell me if a modern PC (with a USB floppy drive) could read 1.44MB floppies from a 68k Mac? I want to use a Powerbook 190 for some word processing and need a means of transferring data. Hardware, yes. Sof

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/03/2015 05:04 PM, Mouse wrote: What's my (putative) employer got to do with it? My employer does not get to tell me what I may or may not use for what little Web browsing I do on my own time on my own machines. At work, on work time, on work machines, that's another story. But I don't d

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Christian Gauger-Cosgrove
On 3 July 2015 at 16:48, Mike Ross wrote: > I do difficult propositions, including prying pdps away from the cold > dead hands of the British ministry of defence! So tell more? You can > reach me off-list at this address. > My information was slightly incorrect. It appears that there is more than

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-04 02:09, Glen Slick wrote: On Jul 3, 2015 4:59 PM, "Johnny Billquist" wrote: I find it hard to believe it was a plain 68K in there. That CPU have some serious issues that makes it close to impossible to implement virtual memory or proper usermode protection. (Yes, it can be done,

OT: Reading Mac Floppies

2015-07-03 Thread Joe Giliberti
Greetings, I know this may be OT, but can someone tell me if a modern PC (with a USB floppy drive) could read 1.44MB floppies from a 68k Mac? I want to use a Powerbook 190 for some word processing and need a means of transferring data. Thanks Joe

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Glen Slick
On Jul 3, 2015 4:59 PM, "Johnny Billquist" wrote: > > I find it hard to believe it was a plain 68K in there. That CPU have some serious issues that makes it close to impossible to implement virtual memory or proper usermode protection. > (Yes, it can be done, but the amount of hardware required me

AMT DAP 500/600 software available

2015-07-03 Thread Josh Dersch
Hi all -- Last December I picked up an AMT DAP 600 (64x64 distributed array processor) which came with a set of manuals and QIC tapes; the manuals are on Bitsavers, the tapes were just recently (carefully) recovered by Bear and I thought I'd make them available in case anyone out there has a

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Mouse
> So people use IE6 on their Windows 7/8 machines as their ONLY > browsers? Wow--I'm surprised that your employer allows that. What's my (putative) employer got to do with it? My employer does not get to tell me what I may or may not use for what little Web browsing I do on my own time on my own

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-07-04 01:54, m...@markesystems.com wrote: In the late 80’s, I bought from a surplus/junk shop a (by then somewhat obsolete) Unix computer, branded UniSys, I think. It had 10 serial ports; one was the primary console, one was intended for a printer, and the other 8 were regular user TT

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread mark
In the late 80’s, I bought from a surplus/junk shop a (by then somewhat obsolete) Unix computer, branded UniSys, I think. It had 10 serial ports; one was the primary console, one was intended for a printer, and the other 8 were regular user TTYs. The processor was a 68000 (not 010, 020, or any

Re: seeking advice on moving PDP 11 and related gear

2015-07-03 Thread Guy Sotomayor
On 7/3/15 9:39 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: tony duell > OK, I've done it many times, but ... I had the drives out in under 5 > minutes. It is not that hard... With a previously un-seen rack, it is _not_ guaranteed to be that easy, as Bill D and I can attest! So I will ech

RE: List Gripes

2015-07-03 Thread Jay West
John Willis wrote... Why it or its moderators decide to unceremoniously unsubscribe me every few months without warning is beyond me. [snip] It would be _really_ nice to do a warning message to people who haven't broken any list rules and haven't asked to be removed before dumping them,

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Chuck Guzis
I can't imagine using NS 4 as my ONLY browser--I've tried, but there will always be a web site using more modern elements that won't render correctly. So people use IE6 on their Windows 7/8 machines as their ONLY browsers? Wow--I'm surprised that your employer allows that. I'm always resear

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Terry Stewart
>It loads up fine using Mozilla/5.0 or SWB V1.1-12 based on Seamonkey 1.1.12 (or >.. >Looks grand in Lynx too. Highlighting "IBM XT" and pressing enter downloads >the picture and displays it using XV as expected. Great, thanks Peter. -- >Well, def

RE: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Robert Jarratt
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike Ross > Sent: 03 July 2015 21:48 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: out-of-mainstream minis > > I do difficult propositions, including prying pdps away from the

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Mike Ross
I do difficult propositions, including prying pdps away from the cold dead hands of the British ministry of defence! So tell more? You can reach me off-list at this address. I had been told that the System/7s were part of the billing system, rather than the switch itself. My info may be defective,

8/e panel

2015-07-03 Thread Dave
Rod, I received the panel, and thought I'd share with anyone on the fence, it's stunning!  It fit's my 8/m perfectly.  I think the rotary switch is has the smaller angles of the 'B' style panel, and I'm looking forward to checking those out as well. Since this one doesn't have holes for the keys

Re: List Gripes

2015-07-03 Thread Vincent Slyngstad
From: John Willis: Friday, July 03, 2015 8:52 AM Well, I am once again re-subscribed to this list. Why it or its moderators decide to unceremoniously unsubscribe me every few months without warning is beyond me. Especially annoying when subscription requests always take 2-3 days to process. It wo

Re: [SPAM key] - Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/03/2015 11:22 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: I understand that Netscape has been replaced by Mozilla. HOWEVER, since CHROME seems to be the most widely used, would CHROME be able to support the retention of ALL of my old e-mails and posts from usenet? Over the past 15 years, I probably hav

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Terry Stewart wrote: I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as I can T

Re: seeking advice on moving PDP 11 and related gear

2015-07-03 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: tony duell > OK, I've done it many times, but ... I had the drives out in under 5 > minutes. It is not that hard... With a previously un-seen rack, it is _not_ guaranteed to be that easy, as Bill D and I can attest! Twice I've been up to get racks with stuff in them from him,

Re: [SPAM key] - Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Jerome H. Fine wrote: >Terry Stewart wrote: I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as I can The RetroChallenge blog si

List Gripes

2015-07-03 Thread John Willis
Well, I am once again re-subscribed to this list. Why it or its moderators decide to unceremoniously unsubscribe me every few months without warning is beyond me. Especially annoying when subscription requests always take 2-3 days to process. It would be _really_ nice to do a warning message to peo

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Richard Loken
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, william degnan wrote: > I have been using Mosaic on my OpenVMS system, almost unusable, but fun. I have Mozilla Seamonkey on my OpenVMS Alpha 8.3 box and it is only slightly more usable than Mosaic in this the 21st century. I would like to port firefox to VMS but that would t

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Terry Stewart wrote: Hi, I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as I can The RetroChallenge blog site is here. http://www.

RE: seeking advice on moving PDP 11 and related gear

2015-07-03 Thread tony duell
> Im uncertain of how tall the racks are, from what was described on the > phone I should be able to lay the two racks down in the trailer. I have 2 > friends coming to help for certain and may possibly be bringing a third > friend. >From the hardware you describe (CPU, a couple of RLs and a coup

Re: seeking advice on moving PDP 11 and related gear

2015-07-03 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Sean Caron > Anyone got a spare set of rails? It turns out the company that built rails for the 11's BITD is still in business, and still selling rails. I don't think they still make the exact model used on various -11's, but they have almost identical units. (Now, whether they

Re: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove > The other 1ESS/1AESS switch is a complete and functional unit, still in > service, last I heard. But there are plans to scrap it and put in a > modern switch in its place. Saving it would be a difficult proposition, > to say the least. I'd t

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Mouse
>> On a related note, I'd be interested if anyone on the list CAN'T >> read this page properly: >> http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/temp.html Well, define "properly". Lynx gives me ("| " prefix added manually for email purposes) | Just a test page - p

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread william degnan
Here is a simple example that replaces tables with div tags. I am in the process of migrating this site to html5 http://dev.matlackflorist.com/test.html Bill On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Terry Stewart wrote: > Thanks for all those replies, and feedback on what the test page looked > like o

Re: How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

2015-07-03 Thread Peter Coghlan
> > The website does have a few articles and resources of interest to vintage > computer hobbyists, which I wouldn't want to make inaccessible. The > question is, how many guys like us, those who dabble with old tech, are > likely to use ancient browsers as their ONLY source of web content. I > su

RE: out-of-mainstream minis

2015-07-03 Thread Fred Jan Kraan
On 2015-07-02 02:36 PM, tony duell wrote: >> > I share your favourite(s). In the danish IT-museum-to-be >> > (www.datamuseum.dk) we have two >> > P857-based systems running. We have lots of spare parts and nearly all >> > documentation, so >> > if you need something, you are welcome to ask. >