On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
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>
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> I was not in this case.
I didn't say you were in this case...merely pointing out that at times your
sterotypes can go to extremes...like...umm...me being a Nazi :P
> Moreover I don't necessarily talk about the Wacko Right, and paint
> Grant wrote:
> ...churches
> ...tiny rocks
> ...gravy!
>
Well ... we burn wood. But what else burns? Witches.
So why does wood burn? Because it's made from witches.
So how do we know if something is actually wood? If it floats.
But what else floats? Ducks.
So if the thing weighs as muc
> Of course we could just compare their weight to a duck. However I don't
know if there > is an international standard for duck and witch weights
which may complicate matters.
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Of course we could just compare their weight to a duck. However I
don't know if there is an international standard for duck and witch
weights which may complicate matters.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>> What
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
> What the hey lets go back to 17th century Salem
> Mass. They, in your eyes it would seem, had a great system
> of punishment.
Are you saying witches are prone to stealing lumber? Or that we
should tie a rock to Iraqi lumber thieves' feet an
>> that's so full of crap that you must have been made man of the year by the
>> 8th circle of Dante's hell - that' the circle of immoderate flatterers. I'll
>> let you figure out the whys of that reference. That said, your stereotyping
>> is full of it to the extreme.
>
>And you never stereotype
t; Afghanistan and Iraq.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:44 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Marines crush a car in Iraq who's owner was apparently looting
> old wood.
>
>
> so th
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
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>
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> that's so full of crap that you must have been made man of the year by the
> 8th circle of Dante's hell - that' the circle of immoderate flatterers. I'll
> let you figure out the whys of that reference. That said, your stereotyping
> i
>If it was left completely to the liberals, no one would ever get punished.
> They would all just have to go to therapy, because, you know, its not their
>fault. They are just misunderstood or their father's weren;t around
>enough...blah...blah...blah
>
that's so full of crap that you must have
Auley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:21 AM
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Subject: Re: Marines crush a car in Iraq who's owner was apparently looting
old wood.
As a person who is frequently termed a liberal, I can succinctly say
that you are full of shit there Scott.
Just b
AM
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Subject: Re: Marines crush a car in Iraq who's owner was apparently looting
old wood.
Sexual abuse, especially of children, is one of those offenss that I think
should qualify for the death penalty. Unfortunately, there are not a whole
lot of people who agree with me. I do
istan and Iraq.
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From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:44 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Marines crush a car in Iraq who's owner was apparently looting
old wood.
so this was in the middle of the invasion? Why are they me
Sexual abuse, especially of children, is one of those offenss that I think
should qualify for the death penalty. Unfortunately, there are not a whole
lot of people who agree with me. I do not think those who prey on children
can be rehabilitated.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Judah McAuley w
I would also like to add that, in my experience, you would be the exception
rather than the rule.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> As a person who is frequently termed a liberal, I can succinctly say
> that you are full of shit there Scott.
>
> Just because you understa
As a person who is frequently termed a liberal, I can succinctly say
that you are full of shit there Scott.
Just because you understand something and want to make it better does
not mean that you have to excuse it. I was sexually abused as a child.
That is a horrible thing and I appreciate it whe
If it was left completely to the liberals, no one would ever get punished.
They would all just have to go to therapy, because, you know, its not their
fault. They are just misunderstood or their father's weren;t around
enough...blah...blah...blah
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Larry Lyons wr
>So punishment fitting the crime is simplistic? And now that you've grown
>older you realize the benifit of excessive punishment? God help your kids if
>they ever get caught shoplifting.
So when does the excessive punishment simply become sadism? Excessive
punishment rewards the one doing the pu
so this was in the middle of the invasion? Why are they messing with
firewood theft then? I still have not looked at the movie Bruce is
talking baout, just... wondering
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> I'll tell you whats missing.
>
> These are initial invasion, just crossed
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>> > So black an white the world is to you.
>
> Are you trying to sound like Yoda?
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I'll tell you whats missing.
These are initial invasion, just crossed the border been fighting republican
guard armored troops. Not peace keepers.
Looting is a capitol offense under international law and the men could have
been killed.
Looked liked theses guys handled it better than that.
On
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> > So black an white the world is to you.
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I certainly don't. Missed the link to the video, and haven't bothered to go
find it, so haven't seen it.
I was just playing devil's advocate (or soldier's advocate in this case).
Almost everyone was assuming that the soldiers were "bad guys", and I don't
think we can know that from the clip, wit
Did anyone pick up that despite the fact that they (Military) were
sticking up for whoever was getting stolen from, they destroyed the
stolen property anyway? How is that any better than stealing it in
the first place?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Dana wrote:
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> Thank you for the context.
Thank you for the context. I may do that. A lot does depend on whether
they drove down the street and saw men they assumed were stealing or
whether they knew for a fact that they had just caught the local mafia
red-handed.
On 2/9/09, Bruce Sorge wrote:
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> This is a small clip from Gunner Palace
This is a small clip from Gunner Palace, a documentary that was made in
2004. Like every anti-war asshole they only put this small piece up to
piss off the other anti-war bleeding hearts. No surprise there though.
Watch the documentary and decide for yourselves what is and is not
'right' or 'j
ok, just asking here do we actually know they *were* thieves?
That's what the soldiers said, right? Do they speak Arabic? Why do
they think that? The men in question probably would not have argued if
they weren't. Their behavior is "don't shoot me" submissive.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM,
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Dana wrote:
> agreed. Check out everyone's body language.
Certainly not a shining moment for the US military.
I wonder what the entire footage shows, if it were available. The
commentary seems to indicate that the news bit this was clipped from
was a news artic
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
> So punishment fitting the crime is simplistic? And now that you've grown
> older you realize the benifit of excessive punishment? God help your kids if
> they ever get caught shoplifting.
So black an white the world is to you. Bravo!
-Cam
agreed. Check out everyone's body language.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> You really should watch the video. Part of what makes it feel so wrong to
> me is the zeal and arrogance with which the soldiers exact their punishment.
>
>
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>> > They took away the tools of hi
You keep claiming "disproportionate response".
I don't know that I agree.
One guy caught stealing the livelihood of the builder, and depriving the
person who will own the building from either shelter or a business (another
livelihood) loses his car, losing both _his_ livelihood as a taxi driver
Cameron Childress wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
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>> Bottom line is stealing lumber is wrong. Crushing a guys car because of it
>> and destroying his capability to put food on his family's table is
>> monumentally MORE wrong. Wat-time, peace-time or hammer-time
So punishment fitting the crime is simplistic? And now that you've grown
older you realize the benifit of excessive punishment? God help your kids if
they ever get caught shoplifting.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Michael Grant wr
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
> Bottom line is stealing lumber is wrong. Crushing a guys car because of it
> and destroying his capability to put food on his family's table is
> monumentally MORE wrong. Wat-time, peace-time or hammer-time it's just
> wrong. Full stop.
Wha
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
> I didn't re-write your post mate. Get off your high horse and stick by the
> comments you wrote and the tone that you wrote them in. Don't say something
> through inuendo then cave the second someone calls you on it with "waaa,
> that's not
You really should watch the video. Part of what makes it feel so wrong to
me is the zeal and arrogance with which the soldiers exact their punishment.
> > They took away the tools of his crime. Which probably prevented more
> crime.
Killing him would've done the same. Removing his hands woul
I don't know that it is "monumentally more wrong".
They took away the tools of his crime. Which probably prevented more crime.
I didnt see the video, but I can imagine that removing the ability to commit
further thefts (which might be a bigger threat to rebuilding the society and
infrastructure)
I didn't re-write your post mate. Get off your high horse and stick by the
comments you wrote and the tone that you wrote them in. Don't say something
through inuendo then cave the second someone calls you on it with "waaa,
that's not what I said, you're misquoting me."
Bottom line is stealing lu
depends. How long ago was this? Personally, I say not. Those men are
clearly noncombattants. If American troops are policement in Iraq then
they should act as policement, no tanks involved.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> Would crushing a non-combatant civilian's car re
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
> Ok, rephrase, you insinuated that car crushing is within the soldiers
> rights because it was war-time.
Nope. I said it was a complicated and difficult situation. I can
appreciate that you'd like to turn my point into something else you
ca
Ok, rephrase, you insinuated that car crushing is within the soldiers
rights because it was war-time.
>It's clearly not true, but if it were and as you would prefer, the
>military were to ignore civilian crime, where would you draw a line?
>Looting? Robbery? Armed robbery? Rape? Murder? What
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
> A punishment more fitting the crime. If the soldiers are in charge of
> upholding the law then shouldn't their be a policy on what punishments and
> how to dole them out.
In a perfect world, that would be nice. AFAIK, most military aren't
t
*there be a policy
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
> Out of curiosity, assuming there were no police or justice system in
>> place here, what would you prefer to see?
>
>
> A punishment more fitting the crime. If the soldiers are in charge of
> upholding the law then shoul
>
> Out of curiosity, assuming there were no police or justice system in
> place here, what would you prefer to see?
A punishment more fitting the crime. If the soldiers are in charge of
upholding the law then shouldn't their be a policy on what punishments and
how to dole them out. You said it'
The fluffy bunnies will be greeted as liberators.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> Hopefully this isn't part of Obama's withdrawal plan. :)
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Vivec wrote:
>> Fluffy bunnies dancing through the streets bringing love and happiness to
Hopefully this isn't part of Obama's withdrawal plan. :)
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Vivec wrote:
> Fluffy bunnies dancing through the streets bringing love and happiness to
> everyones!!!
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>
> Out of curiosity, assuming there were no police or justice system in
> place here, what would you prefer to see?
>
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
> Would crushing a non-combatant civilian's car really be within their rights?
> Honestly asking here.
In Iowa, or Manchester during the middle of the afternoon? No.
During wartime, with non-functioning or non-existent police force and
no fu
Would crushing a non-combatant civilian's car really be within their rights?
Honestly asking here.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Vivec wrote:
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> It seems that the taxi driver was breaking the law.
> And it also seems that the troops, at the time the video was taken,
> were within their right
>
> > You'll come around to my way of thinking eventually... :)
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It seems that the taxi driver was breaking the law.
And it also seems that the troops, at the time the video was taken,
were within their rights to carry out this form of justice.
Just a bit of what goes on that perhaps we don't see, but the Iraqis do.
I think this is part of the problem with ha
already then :) I am glad we agree, cause it kinda. scared me when I
thought we didnt.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> Man - sometimes I need a reminder why I don't participate here very
> frequently anymore. Thanks.
>
> You said: "serves him right for thinking may
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Dana wrote:
> already then :) I am glad we agree, cause it kinda. scared me when I
> thought we didnt.
We always agree Dana, you just don't realize it yet. You'll come
around to my way of thinking eventually... :)
-Cameron
Man - sometimes I need a reminder why I don't participate here very
frequently anymore. Thanks.
You said: "serves him right for thinking maybe he can build a fire
tonight, eh?" As if it's okay to steal wood if you need to build a
fire. And I said... stealing wood is a crime, though not worthy o
whatever. You said it yourself: "not worthy of instant car crushing."
Suppose that the situation is in fact as describe (as opposed to
something else and intimidated Iraqis. I see no attempt to take
these men into custody or to summon the property owner or the
authorities.
You're really an a
Don't think destroying someone's livelyhood is a fitting punishment for
theft. I don't know what the mechanism for crime and punishment is over
there, but shouldn't the iraqi police be involved and charges laid? Noone is
saying that stealing isn't a crime. But crushing someone's car infront of
the
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Dana wrote:
> serves him right for thinking maybe he can build a fire tonight, eh?
Where I live, stealing wood from a construction site is a crime.
Wanting to build a fire does not excuse that. If you look in the
background on the video you can see it's a constr
serves him right for thinking maybe he can build a fire tonight, eh?
Not today. For the record, if this is real those soldiers should be
disciplined. One of them is talking to the camera, so he thinks this
is acceptable, even prideworthy behaviour.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Michael Grant
Iraqi cab driver was caught "looting" wood. They don't give much more detail
than that. Not sure what the point of the two soldiers emptying their
pistols into the car first are. Probably to demoralize the Iraqi's further.
After they crush it the soldiers are laughing about it. Then they say
"that
I am at work and have the sound off. Is that soldier saying anything
smarter than "serves him right"?
I hope this is a joke. I can see having the fantasy. I myself
occasionally long for photon torpedos on the front of my car.
However.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Vivec wrote:
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> http://ww
wtf is right.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> Wait I thought punishment for theft in Iraq was chopping the guy's hands
> off?
>
> Where do I sign up for them to come smash some cars in my
> neighborhood? Theft and car break-ins are on the rise big time since
> the A
Wait I thought punishment for theft in Iraq was chopping the guy's hands off?
Where do I sign up for them to come smash some cars in my
neighborhood? Theft and car break-ins are on the rise big time since
the Atlanta Police Department furloughed it's force.
-Cameron
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:5
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