RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2003-07-15 Thread Raymond Camden
pheus "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda > -Original Message- > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:08 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: So many problems with CFC scopes... > > > On Thur

Re: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2003-07-15 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Thursday, Sep 26, 2002, at 11:32 US/Pacific, Benoit Hediard wrote: > I was wondering if anyone know when MM is going to fix all the issues > related to CFC scopes. Red Sky is coming soon. I can't say whether it will fix all your problems - due to the NDA (although some of the issues you mentio

Re: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)

2002-09-30 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> On Monday, Sep 30, 2002, at 09:23 US/Pacific, S. Isaac > Dealey wrote: >> Question: (dunno if anyone has the answer to this) Do >> CFC's share >> methods in >> memory, or does each new component created have its own >> instances of >> all the >> functions defined in the cfc which take up their o

Re: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)

2002-09-30 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Monday, Sep 30, 2002, at 20:09 US/Pacific, Rob Brooks-Bilson wrote: > I did some performance testing recently too see if it was faster to > CFINCLUDE a UDF library containing 50 UDFs, or instantiate a CFC with > the > same 50 CFCs as methods. The results were that the CFINCLUDE was > substant

Re: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)

2002-09-30 Thread Rob Brooks-Bilson
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:26:29 +0200 From: "Benoit Hediard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes..

Re: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)

2002-09-30 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Monday, Sep 30, 2002, at 09:23 US/Pacific, S. Isaac Dealey wrote: > Question: (dunno if anyone has the answer to this) Do CFC's share > methods in > memory, or does each new component created have its own instances of > all the > functions defined in the cfc which take up their own space in m

Re: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-30 Thread Sean A Corfield
On Sunday, Sep 29, 2002, at 12:06 US/Pacific, Raymond Camden wrote: >> You mentioned typing the extra reference for CFCs (i.e. >> myCFC.isEmail(...) >> as opposed to isEmail() for a UDF). Beyond that There's also the code needed to create the 'myCFC' instance (setting myCFC = createObject("compo

RE: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)

2002-09-30 Thread Benoit Hediard
t is not taken into account by the "old" CFC instance. You have to reload a new instance to get the new definition. Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 30 septembre 2002 18:23 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: UDF Vs CFC

RE: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)

2002-09-30 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> But, in some cases CFCs might be more appropriate than UDF to encapsulate > generic logic : when you need to have an object-oriented logic. > Indeed, the advantage of CFCs over UDFs is their ability to have (or > simulate) an 'object-oriented/object-based' behaviour. > For example, CFC are great

RE: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)

2002-09-30 Thread Benoit Hediard
other never-ending thread... ;) This is really a matter of personal preference/coding style. Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 30 septembre 2002 14:03 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many proble

Re: UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)

2002-09-30 Thread Gyrus
CTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk play: http://www.norlonto.net - PGP key available - Original Message - From: "Benoit Hediard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:26 AM Sub

UDF Vs CFC (was RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...)

2002-09-30 Thread Benoit Hediard
. .. I've put some examples here http://www.benorama.com/coldfusion/patterns/part3.htm Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : dimanche 29 septembre 2002 21:06 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... >

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-30 Thread Benoit Hediard
CTED]] Envoyé : dimanche 29 septembre 2002 21:06 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... > > For what reason? I've jumped in mid-thread here, but I'm > really keen to get > some good nitty-gritty low-down on the pros/cons/appropriate > contexts for &g

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-29 Thread Raymond Camden
> > For what reason? I've jumped in mid-thread here, but I'm > really keen to get > some good nitty-gritty low-down on the pros/cons/appropriate > contexts for > custom tags/UDFs/CFCs. > > I've had access to CF5 for a while, but most of my clients > have been stuck > on CF4.5 hosts, so I've n

Re: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-29 Thread Gyrus
- Original Message - From: "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Again - my main comment is that it's wrong to say you should NOT uses > UDFs. I wouldn't use > a CFC as a UDF library, but I don't see it as bad per se, just maybe not > appropriate. For what re

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-29 Thread Raymond Camden
> > > However, I would strongly argue that in CFMX you really > > > should no longer be using cfinclude'd UDF libraries. The > > > libraries should be converted to CFCs. If you're worried > > > about performance, don't be. > > > > This is 100% wrong. At least in my opinion. UDFs are NOT the

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-28 Thread Dave Watts
> > However, I would strongly argue that in CFMX you really > > should no longer be using cfinclude'd UDF libraries. The > > libraries should be converted to CFCs. If you're worried > > about performance, don't be. > > This is 100% wrong. At least in my opinion. UDFs are NOT the > same beas

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-28 Thread Raymond Camden
> However, I would strongly argue that in CFMX you really > should no longer > be using cfinclude'd UDF libraries. The libraries should be converted > to CFCs. If you're worried about performance, don't be. This is 100% wrong. At least in my opinion. UDFs are NOT the same beast as CFCs, and

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-28 Thread Benoit Hediard
e : Samuel Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : samedi 28 septembre 2002 05:26 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... Mark, That actually won't work--at least it didn't in CF5, I haven't tested in in CFMX. The issue is that CF pre-processes the UDF declar

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-27 Thread Samuel Neff
ce). HTH, Sam Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:24:00 -0400 From: "Gaulin, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why not put the "not IsDefined()" test right inside any udf library that can potenti

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-27 Thread Benoit Hediard
Indeed, this is also another solution, probably the best one right now! Benoit Hediard -Message d'origine- De : Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 21:24 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... Why not put the "not

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-27 Thread Gaulin, Mark
time in C and C++ programming. Mark -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: So many problems with CFC scopes... >> I'm going to look the other issues up in the bugbase in the

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-27 Thread Benoit Hediard
-Message d'origine- De : Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 27 septembre 2002 19:39 À : CF-Talk Objet : Re: So many problems with CFC scopes... I'm going to look the other issues up in the bugbase in the next few days and see what's there but I'll a

Re: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-27 Thread Sean A Corfield
I'm going to look the other issues up in the bugbase in the next few days and see what's there but I'll address these issues here... On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 02:36 US/Pacific, Benoit Hediard wrote: > - CFC methods defined in an included file cannot really include UDF > lib. > Indeed, CF refu

RE: So many problems with CFC scopes...

2002-09-27 Thread Benoit Hediard
I think I forgot some other problems with CFCs linked to UDF lib functions. It took me sometime to understand why I was not able to include UDF lib in some cases. - CFC methods defined in an included file cannot really include UDF lib. Indeed, CF refuses to include twice the same UDF lib in one s