Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread éL NìçoS
If there is a need to fake, the person who owns the bot is most likely some abuser. If that person is an abuser, we deal with an abusive bot. If a bot using a non-bot-username is detected while abusing, I guess opers will quickly take action :o) The point is not wether to determinate if a bot is

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread éL NìçoS
It's an interesting idea--but it requires that the bot identify itself. I highly doubt we could convince botnet owners to make their bots identify themselves as bots. It's unfortunate--it would be such a useful thing :( I don't see why we couldn't convince them... If you have nothing to hide

RE: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Neil Spierling
How would you tell if they are bots tho? I suppose ctcp checks could be done but they can be easily faked -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom Scott Sent: Monday, 19 August 2002 3:25 p.m. To: Kev; Carlo Wood Cc: Isomer; Dani?l Boeije; [EMA

RE: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Tom Scott
Maybe we could force them to identify themselves as bots or else we'll kick them off the network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kev Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:16 PM To: Carlo Wood Cc: Isomer; Dani?l Boeije; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Kev
> Being able to ban bots from channels. > Only allowing bots to message people who are on the same channel > (disable PRIVMSG thus, only allowing CPRIVMSG). > Put a much tighter restriction on (joining/)parting channels, > for example a maximum of one PART per 20 minutes. > Not allowing bots to ta

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Amarande
- Original Message - From: "Carlo Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Isomer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Dani?l Boeije" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s) > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 12:14:5

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Chris Crowther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 18 Aug 2002 9:22 pm, Tom Scott wrote: > Yes, but couldn't people just open a client and set +b for someone even > though they're not a bot? No, you just make the mode so that it can only be set by a server, the same as the +k on X

RE: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Tom Scott
Yes, but couldn't people just open a client and set +b for someone even though they're not a bot? We could do what we do with "X" maybe...you could sign up for it, then you'd have a one-week waiting period while we check the stats of your username. Finally, [EMAIL PROTECTED] would "Bot" you every

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread éL NìçoS
- Plain connect as any client - Auth to services - If OK, have services set usermode +B - Have services transmit privilegdes (for example NOTARGET, NOCHANLIMIT, NOFLOOD) (wich are actually the only privilegdes at maximum a botservice should need to be able to reduce there amounts of bots witho

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Chris Crowther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 18 Aug 2002 1:55 pm, Carlo Wood wrote: > Disconnect bots that are idling when a server is full and > a human wants to connect. I can see that one being unpopular, not to mention possibly exploitable for channel take overs; vis. if

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Alexander Maassen
It shouldn't even be settable by the user himself, it should be set on P10 networks by services for example, botowners would need to get permission to use this flag, in this way you can also control what a bot can do and what he can't do. Giving the user himself the ability to use it only leads to

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread éL NìçoS
Quote: 'What would you suggest? Perhaps some examples?' You could maybe build this mode in into X. This way you would be able to see wich username is taken by a bot. Since we don't want 50.000 bots connecting to a network (so I guess), you could get an overview. In stead off the email-adress pro

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Carlo Wood
On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 12:14:50AM +1200, Isomer wrote: > What would you suggest? Perhaps some examples? Being able to ban bots from channels. Only allowing bots to message people who are on the same channel (disable PRIVMSG thus, only allowing CPRIVMSG). Put a much tighter restriction on (joini

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Isomer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 01:23:51PM +0200, Dani?l Boeije wrote: > > Hello, > > > > is there a mode B(Bot) to mark bots in IRCu? > > There should be one, its a good idea. > > Bots that are spotted and do not use it should > be kill targets (to moti

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Sir Vulcan
> >On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 01:23:51PM +0200, Daniël Boeije wrote: > > Hello, > > > > is there a mode B(Bot) to mark bots in IRCu? > >There should be one, its a good idea. > >This mode should be a user mode that can only >be set with the USER command (to avoid abuse >by tricking newbies into using

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Carlo Wood
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 01:23:51PM +0200, Daniël Boeije wrote: > Hello, > > is there a mode B(Bot) to mark bots in IRCu? There should be one, its a good idea. This mode should be a user mode that can only be set with the USER command (to avoid abuse by tricking newbies into using it). Bots tha

Re: [Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread volta2
Nope. There's only umode +k, which can only be set by services and makes the client unable to be kicked, killed or deoped. > Hello, > > is there a mode B(Bot) to mark bots in IRCu? > > Kind regards, > Daniël > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.g

[Coder-Com] Modes for (by example) botservice(s)

2002-08-18 Thread Daniël Boeije
Hello, is there a mode B(Bot) to mark bots in IRCu? Kind regards, Daniël [EMAIL PROTECTED]