Re: [OT][logging] politics [WAS Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?]

2004-12-22 Thread Richard Sitze
Ceki Gülcü <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/22/2004 04:53:49 AM: > JCL shows indications of mission creep. I believe this to be a factual > observation independent of ASF representation. Just to help clarify your concern, would you please define "mission creep". > >(conversely, if you do thin

Re: [OT][logging] politics [WAS Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?]

2004-12-22 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 11:56 PM 12/21/2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: FWIW AFAIK the committers who feel victimized are outside jakarta. IMHO committers who are vocally critical of the ASF (as an organization) are something about which the membership should be concerned. some of them simply have an obvious axe t

[OT][logging] politics [WAS Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?]

2004-12-21 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 21 Dec 2004, at 20:24, Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 07:51 PM 12/21/2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: now it's getting political :( Your comments about the "optionality" of consultations elicited my political response. i've given up politics. (feel free to reply to my missive but please spend some time