Mark R. Diggory wrote:
Michael McGrady wrote:
Commons is not a place for people uninterested in Java development.
Commons is a common repository for code used in Java development.
Maybe the math boys and girls are thinking of doing something like
Struts only for math folks. If so, then jakart
Mark R. Diggory wrote:
Well, once again, the users of [math] and any other Jakarta Commons
components must be Java developers. It is our job, as API designers
and documentation developers to make it as easy as possible for them;
but we are not developing end user products here. Any specific
c
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Phil Steitz wrote:
> Mark R. Diggory wrote:
> >
> > After a great deal of discussion, maybe this subject should be voted on
> > to bring the subject to completion. Otherwise, it will just get more
> > heated.
>
> We should not have to resort to a vote on this. I suggest that
Kim van der Linde wrote:
Hi Mark,
I agree with you. And I have played advocate of the
devil here, as I noticed from the beginning on that
this is a hard-core developers environment. But in
daily life, I work in an environment were people are
the real users of the products that are developed
here. T
Mark R. Diggory wrote:
This is the type of discussion I'm referring too. Here is a perfect
example of why commons components would benefit from separate "users"
lists. Users are not interested in the same discussion issues as
developers, the commons users list is ill adapted to the cross
pollin
Hi Mark,
I agree with you. And I have played advocate of the
devil here, as I noticed from the beginning on that
this is a hard-core developers environment. But in
daily life, I work in an environment were people are
the real users of the products that are developed
here. They are not programmers
--- "Mark R. Diggory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is the type of discussion I'm referring too. Here is a perfect
> example of why commons components would benefit from separate "users"
> lists. Users are not interested in the same discussion issues as
> developers, the commons users list i
Again, an excellent example of my point, this is not very civil from a
"User Support" standpoint and attitude such as this will only drive
users away. Unfortunately, most of us developers are very stoic and
abrupt, something that ultimately undermines any interaction with users
who are not fell
This is the type of discussion I'm referring too. Here is a perfect
example of why commons components would benefit from separate "users"
lists. Users are not interested in the same discussion issues as
developers, the commons users list is ill adapted to the cross
pollination "developer" parad
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Michael McGrady wrote:
> Kim van der Linde wrote:
>
> >--- Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>It seems that you are missing the single most
> >>important facet of Jakarta Commons here - community.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>Commons is one community,
> >>
Kim van der Linde wrote:
--- Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It seems that you are missing the single most
important facet of Jakarta Commons here - community.
Commons is one community,
A community from whom? Whom are in it? Only hard-core
developers? Or the developers and
--- Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems that you are missing the single most
> important facet of Jakarta Commons here - community.
> Commons is one community,
A community from whom? Whom are in it? Only hard-core
developers? Or the developers and users at large?
Apparently, I
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT), Kim van der Linde
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- "matthew.hawthorne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Kim van der Linde wrote:
> > > I think I am a typical math only user and
> > developer
> > > and I just joined the e-mail lists. The last days,
> > I
Kim van der Linde wrote:
--- "matthew.hawthorne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<>
<>I think I am a typical math only user and developer and I just
joined the e-mail lists. The last days, I seriously contemplated on
leaving both lists because of the use amout of completly irrelevant
bullshit that
--- "matthew.hawthorne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kim van der Linde wrote:
> > I think I am a typical math only user and
> developer
> > and I just joined the e-mail lists. The last days,
> I
> > seriously contemplated on leaving both lists
> because
> > of the use amout of completly irrelevan
Kim van der Linde wrote:
I think I am a typical math only user and developer
and I just joined the e-mail lists. The last days, I
seriously contemplated on leaving both lists because
of the use amout of completly irrelevant bullshit that
passes by every morning and during the day on my
computer. I
Hi All,
I think I am a typical math only user and developer
and I just joined the e-mail lists. The last days, I
seriously contemplated on leaving both lists because
of the use amout of completly irrelevant bullshit that
passes by every morning and during the day on my
computer. I have better thin
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