On 12 Apr 2004, at 22:10, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Apr 12, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Mladen Turk wrote:
If you don't build a
commons for such a things, each new project will have to make it's own
implementation.
That is a good argument, but in geronimo we tend to avoid stuff from
jakarta commons as the
> > If you don't build a commons for such a things, each new
> > project will have to make it's own implementation.
> That is a good argument, but in geronimo we tend to avoid stuff from
> jakarta commons as the modules tend to be highly coupled, so if I only
> want one jar I end up getting 11 mbs
his a
"go".
-Original Message-
From: Dain Sundstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 April 2004 22:11
To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
Subject: Re: Commons server infrastructure proposal
On Apr 12, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Mladen Turk wrote:
>>> From a chat with the G
> Frankly have not look a lot at a Geronimo project (I will),
> but one thing I can say for sure is that it is a huge one.
We're only talking about the core on which it is built, not the entire
project.
> Ok, the Geronimo has a cool micro-kernel, Tomcat has a great jmx
> manageability, etc...
Ye
On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 19:58, Mladen Turk wrote:
>
> > Well, it does.
> >
> > http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/security/jsse/jsse-t
> iger-beta1.html#SSLENG
> >
>
> Read carefully :)
> It uses like I said SSLEngine not the SSLServerSocket for non-blocking io
> that can be done with the
On Apr 12, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Mladen Turk wrote:
From a chat with the Geronimo team today: "The Geronimo
contains an IOC
(dependency injection) micro-kernel which provides only basic
wiring of services and life cycle management.
Are the guys willing to pull that out,
No, but it is isolated and will
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman
>
>
> When I discussed this thread with the Geronimo folks, they
> said "That is our same goal." They have extended an invite
> to work on making their code fill this need. I think that it
> is at least worth discussing the possibility
> you said that the Geronimo can be the lead, but I doubt that it would
> provide the hookable protocol stack.
AFAIK, you're wrong, but you should discuss it with them.
> Generally what I'd like to do is to make the generic server
> infrastructure that will inherently have SSL support and will
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Colebourne
>
> OK, from what I've seen, there are interested parties here,
> and frequently rewritten code. This is not an area within my
> expertise, so I can only comment from a commons POV.
>
> My concerns for commons are:
> 1) Is it more of a
> -Original Message-
> From: Oleg Kalnichevski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:42 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> Subject: RE: Commons server infrastructure proposal
>
> > AFAICT even 1.5 NIO doesn't support SSL dire
OK, from what I've seen, there are interested parties here, and frequently
rewritten code. This is not an area within my expertise, so I can only
comment from a commons POV.
My concerns for commons are:
1) Is it more of a framework or a utility?
It should be designed towards the latter.
2) Size o
> AFAICT even 1.5 NIO doesn't support SSL directly.
> The trick is to use the SSLEngine and drop the SSLServerSocket altogether.
Well, it does.
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/guide/security/jsse/jsse-tiger-beta1.html#SSLENG
The trouble is that it may takes years for 1.5 to become mainstrea
> -Original Message-
> From: Noel J. Bergman
>
> NIO does not support SSL prior to JDK 1.5. That lack will
> likely drive high concurrency applications that need SSL to
> use JDK 1.5 if for no other reason.
>
AFAICT even 1.5 NIO doesn't support SSL directly.
The trick is to use the
Hi
> From: Oleg Kalnichevski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> With so many REALLY controversial changes to Java language long may be
> our wait for 1.5 to be widely adopted. Java 1.5 requirement may be quite
> a hindrance and may play against the project in the initial phase
Oh I got that feel too.
Alex,
On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 17:34, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> Yeah this is a very sad point indeed. Luckily I can focus on other things
> until SSL arrives and 1.5 is the standard production JDK in prominence.
With so many REALLY controversial changes to Java language long may be
our wait for 1.5
> Clearly there's a need for a project like that. I personally
> would be interested to contribute if my work at HttpClient
> leaves me a few spare moments.
I think that it would be productive to look at branching the Geronimo
micro-kernel out of that project.
> If you intend to target Java 1.4 a
Oleg,
> * Initially I based my server code on NIO because one thread per
> connection (most of which would stay idle most of the time) was kind of
> luxury I could not afford. I after having spent a few days writing code
> I came to the point where I needed to plug in SSL. To my dismay I found
> o
Jeffrey D. Brekke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:45 AM
> > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Commons server infrastructure proposal
> >
> >
> > Sounds like there may be some overlap w
Hi all,
I have a project to propose that the 'commons philosophy' can benefit
thought.
I'm aware of incubation process, but since I'm an active ASF member for
years now, I would like to hear your opinions before.
What I would like to know is are there any need and will to support such a
project.
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