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> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:26 AM
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> > Impressively, Jason has now updated the SF site, the
> Dumbster site and
> > released a new vers
2004 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Promote Email to Commons Proper
> Impressively, Jason has now updated the SF site, the Dumbster site and
> released a new version under the ASL 2.0.
>
> All that remains is to get it into Maven, and I figure that one of the
> [email] guys can happi
Impressively, Jason has now updated the SF site, the Dumbster site and
released a new version under the ASL 2.0.
All that remains is to get it into Maven, and I figure that one of the
[email] guys can happily do that (there are instructions on the Maven
site for it).
So nothing looks likely to sl
On 18 Nov 2004, at 11:39, Eric Pugh wrote:
Alright.. This thread has somewhat gotton away from me. Since
Dumbster is
now licensed as ASL (despite the website being out of date), can we
move to
a conclusion on this thread?
If we consider that [email] hasn't materially changed, and therefore a
I'll send Jason an email, see what his plans are.
Hen
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:47:29 -0600, Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 12:17 PM -0500 11/18/04, Shapira, Yoav wrote:
> >Hi,
> >No, the vote is not concluded yet. We have to wait for Dumbster to have
> >ASL all over: the web page,
At 12:17 PM -0500 11/18/04, Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
No, the vote is not concluded yet. We have to wait for Dumbster to have
ASL all over: the web page, and in an actual release (not just in CVS).
Until then, there are -1's on this vote which prevent it from passing.
Henri's -1 was to a full relea
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>From: Corey Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:03 PM
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>
>So the vote has passed right?
>
>*in a hurry to celebrate and move on to mak
So the vote has passed right?
*in a hurry to celebrate and move on to making email better*
:-)
-Corey
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I meant an actual released jar. The licence changed on the 16th, but
the last release was the 8th. Unless we depend on HEAD; which is
worthy of a -1 in itself :)
Hen
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:57:44 +0100, Matthias Wessendorf
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> Henri,
>
> > +1 to promotion to Commons prope
Matthias
I think you're being far to european about this :o)
I think at very least the dumbster author should have an apache
license etched on his forehead and perhaps hand over several family
members as guarantee before one could safely assume that one could
take it on good will that the author'
Henri,
> +1 to promotion to Commons proper.
> -1 to release until the dumbster site and release we are
> dependent on is on a license we can use.
>
release is still ASL (see cvs):
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/dumbster/dumbster/src/com/dumbster
/smtp/SimpleSmtpServer.java?rev=1.3&view=a
Since I'm not a commons committer, I don't know how much weight my
vote holds, but I vote +1 also. I have committed a few patches to
commons-email while it's been in the sandbox, and I plan to stay
involved.
Joe
At 11:39 AM + 11/18/04, Eric Pugh wrote:
Alright.. This thread has somewhat
gt;
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:05 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Promote Email to Commons Proper
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> >
> >
--Original Message-
> From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:05 PM
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> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Promote Email to Commons Proper
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>
> It'd be pretty easy to have James use the "Null" mailet
It'd be pretty easy to have James use the "Null" mailet as the first
(and only step) in its processing logic. This would cause James to
spool the incoming messages to disk, and then always discard them. That
would be a much heavier weight solution though.
We use something slightly like this,
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:08 AM
>To: 'Jakarta Commons Developers List'; 'Mark Lowe'
>Subject: RE: [VOTE] Promote Email to Commons Proper
>
>yeah Mark,
>
>nice deal! I also just surfed to sf.net
>and figured out email-address of
Rory,
well the project pages tell you GPL...
http://sourceforge.net/projects/dumbster/
cheers!
> -Original Message-
> From: Rory Winston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:02 PM
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I had a peek on SF, and it looks like the developer has changed the
license now:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/dumbster/dumbster/license.txt?rev=1.2&view=auto
Cheers,
Rory
Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
yeah Mark,
nice deal! I also just surfed to sf.net
and figured out email-address of jasion
yeah Mark,
nice deal! I also just surfed to sf.net
and figured out email-address of jasionkitchen ;-)
so back to vote! ;-)
-Matthias
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Serge,
http://quintanasoft.com/dumbster/
faking SMTP ;-)
Regards,
Matthias
> -Original Message-
> From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:54 AM
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Sounds like he's gonna change it anyway.. I mailed him the thread with
henri's explaination and they've had a dialogue sicnce then.
He said
"I don't have a problem changing the license. I will take a closer
look at the text tomorrow and
drop in the appropriate license from the choice you gave me
Serge,
[Extract from the website http://quintanasoft.com/dumbster/]
The Dumbster is a very simple fake SMTP server designed for unit and
system testing applications that send email messages. It responds to
all standard SMTP commands but does not deliver messages to the user.
The messages are store
Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
your #1 should be the easiest way.
Btw. do you know if the JAMES-folks
have a facility like dumbster?
Sorry, what is dumbster?
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I have taken a quick look at Jame, maybe someone might correct me, but
I cant see anything similar to this. I will be the first to admit
that I am not a domain expert in this particular area, but I am
definately interested and can see the use for a compact 'fake' mail
server, with decent error and
s ready to start in ASF.
Incubator-folks voted us to be on board.
-Matthias
> -Original Message-
> From: Corey Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:14 AM
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> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Promote Email to Commons Prop
: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:14 AM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Promote Email to Commons Proper
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>
> So back to the original problem.
>
> Dumbster is currently used by the tests. The way I see it
> this leaves us with a few options:
&g
So back to the original problem.
Dumbster is currently used by the tests. The way I see it this leaves
us with a few options:
1) Remove it (and wait for the ok or change of license
2) Replace it (I havent seen an alternative, but I am willing to look)
3) Do it ourselves.
To be honest, my mai
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:15:07 +0100, Emmanuel Bourg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> > until such time that either the courts or the FSF provide the necessary
> > legal clarification, the ASF cannot allow such imports.
>
>
> Another solution mentioned in a previous th
Monday, November 15, 2004 10:17 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List; Mark Lowe
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Promote Email to Commons Proper
>
>
> Damn, I need to Wiki this :)
>
> Basically, LGPL is a license written for the C programming language.
> While we all agree that its
robert burrell donkin wrote:
until such time that either the courts or the FSF provide the necessary
legal clarification, the ASF cannot allow such imports.
Another solution mentioned in a previous thread is to write an addentum
clarifying the uncertaincy of the LGPL for Java projects, have the
BTW lawrence rosen's 'open source licensing' is a good book (if you're
interested in this kind of thing)
also (aimed mainly at committers this comment, i suppose) the ASF have
a list or two dedicated to licensing issues
- robert
On 15 Nov 2004, at 22:51, Mark Lowe wrote:
I had a read of the LGP
I had a read of the LGPL, a lawyer but linking is mentioned.
"When a program is linked with a library, whether statically or using
a shared library, the combination of the two is legally speaking a
combined work, a derivative of the original library. The ordinary
General Public License therefore
Joe Germuska wrote:
i hate to do this to what is a good proposal but...
isn't dumbster LGPL'd...?
No. It's GPL. Which only makes it worse, right?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/dumbster
Dang viral licenses. And all the work that has been put into
implementing Dumbster test cases!
MockObjects
I don't think the dumbster jars are in CVS. But assuming that linking
and importing are synominous then i guess things would be foiled on
that front.
I've sent dumbster man jason a mail explaining the problem.
Mark
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:16:35 -0500, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> D
On 15 Nov 2004, at 21:48, Joe Germuska wrote:
i hate to do this to what is a good proposal but...
isn't dumbster LGPL'd...?
No. It's GPL. Which only makes it worse, right?
just as bad :)
however, what's worse is that the licensing seems pretty confused:
http://quintanasoft.com/dumbster/. darn :(
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/Using_20LGPL_27d_20code
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:16:35 -0500, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Damn, I need to Wiki this :)
>
> Basically, LGPL is a license written for the C programming language.
> While we all agree that its intent is to allow people to f
On 15 Nov 2004, at 22:04, Mark Lowe wrote:
A little bit of a digression but I'm reading through the LGPL blurb..
Can you give a bit more detail on this problem? Just as a matter or
curiosity.
IANAL but here's my understanding of the apache concerns: the LGPL is
strongly tied to C and C++ by the t
Damn, I need to Wiki this :)
Basically, LGPL is a license written for the C programming language.
While we all agree that its intent is to allow people to freely use
the library, its wording means that the actual application to a
language other than C is up for debate. A lot of this comes down to
A little bit of a digression but I'm reading through the LGPL blurb..
Can you give a bit more detail on this problem? Just as a matter or curiosity.
Mark
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:00:16 +, robert burrell donkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2004, at 11:10, Eric Pugh wrote:
>
>
>
>
i hate to do this to what is a good proposal but...
isn't dumbster LGPL'd...?
No. It's GPL. Which only makes it worse, right?
http://sourceforge.net/projects/dumbster
Dang viral licenses. And all the work that has been put into
implementing Dumbster test cases!
MockObjects is Apache-licensed,
On 15 Nov 2004, at 11:10, Eric Pugh wrote:
(2) DEPENDENCIES
The Email component is dependent upon the following external
components for development and use:
* Dumbster Fake SMTP (Version 1.0.3 or later) - for unit tests
only, not
required for deployment
i hate to do this to what is a good pr
emoved the original code. The plan is to move to
commons-email once a 1.0 is released.
ERic
> -Original Message-
> From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 4:51 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Promot
Hi,
>- It has good unit test coverage. It has also been tested in real world
>email applications (Turbine 2.3, 2.4, 3.0, Scarab).
Is it relied upon by these packages, out of curiosity? Or was it tested
and not used subsequently?
+1 from me. Good proposal.
Yoav
This e-mail, including any a
+1
Email is indeed a nice *component*,
that simplifies the JavaMail-Api.
-Matthias
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Pugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:10 PM
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> Subject: [VOTE] Promote Email to Commons Proper
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>
> Email exhibits all o
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