Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-24 Thread Kuys, Gerard
a Onderwerp: Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia There was a suggestion to eliminate all or most of the subclasses of Person from the DBpedia ontology. What happens then? The current DBpedia ontology has a large number of class

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-23 Thread Peter F. Patel-Schneider
There was a suggestion to eliminate all or most of the subclasses of Person from the DBpedia ontology. What happens then? The current DBpedia ontology has a large number of classes under Person. Many of these classes are related to occupations, such as Architect, Artist, and Athlete. Under many

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-17 Thread baran . ha
Hello, The problem of the proper ontology occures, if you think, what kind of users do you have, who query your dataset. If you think there are aliens, then you have to define the whole world with your ontology whathever your dataset represents. If you make for me an ontology for dbpedia-

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-17 Thread jaccoud
Jaccoud Amaral PETROBRAS = De: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" Para: Sebastian Hellmann , jacc...@petrobras.com.br, Paul Houle Cc: DBpedia Data: 2017-07-17 09:55 Assunto: Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call fo

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-17 Thread Paul Houle
--- From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" To: "Sebastian Hellmann" ; jacc...@petrobras.com.br; "Paul Houle" Cc: "DBpedia" Sent: 7/17/2017 8:55:04 AM Subject: Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for D

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-17 Thread Sebastian Samaruga
Roles? (Actor / Role pattern in OOP). I call it 'metaclasses' using the 'kind' abstraction of type inference by aggregation of common properties and their values. RDF allows for a class to be instance (not subclass) of another class. Also OWL restrictions could be used to model roles. Regards, Seb

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-17 Thread Peter F. Patel-Schneider
One reason to have a subclass structure under Person (but also under any natural kind) is to support generalizations for subcategories. Many of the subclasses of Person in DBpedia are for occupations, e.g., Architect, Athlete, NascarDriver, Politician, and Senator. If these subclasses of Person a

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-14 Thread Peter F. Patel-Schneider
> to doctrine, etc. > > It is definitely not an area you will get complete agreement on! > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" > To: "Sebastian Hellmann" > Cc: "DBpedia" > Sent: 7/14/2017 12:31:40 PM > Sub

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-14 Thread Paul Houle
Original Message -- From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" To: "Sebastian Hellmann" Cc: "DBpedia" Sent: 7/14/2017 12:31:40 PM Subject: Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia On 07/11/20

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-14 Thread Peter F. Patel-Schneider
On 07/11/2017 03:10 PM, Sebastian Hellmann wrote: > Hi all, > > DBpedia has always had a firm founding in engineering and we should see the > whole thing as an "information machine". From this perspective the purpose of > the DBpedia Ontology becomes quite clear: > > - Usability for queries - dri

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-13 Thread Olivier Rossel
I must admit I find this discussion fascinating. As far as I understand, Sebastian H. proposes NOT to materialize the types in the DB. So (what I call) service implementors (or call them SPARQL authors, if you want) will specialize their query by first matching a set of qualifying properties that

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-13 Thread Sebastian Samaruga
Regarding typing by the properties of aggregated subjects / objects: domain / range having these properties or values for those properties (meta-types, I call them 'kinds') I see no trouble in inferring inheritance hierarchies being sub-classes a superset of the properties of parent classes propert

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-12 Thread Olivier Rossel
Once again, I will give you my opinion, as the service implementor of search.datao.net. search.datao.net is a lookup service where you type the label of a resource, retrieve from an internal DB all the resources of the LinkedData with such a label (+their type and endpoint), and then lookup all t

Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-11 Thread jaccoud
Sebastian Hellmann wrote on 2017-07-11 19:10:03: > By the way, is there actually any sensible class that can be > subclass of Person? As far as I see, the only essential distinction > that lasts lifelong is fictious/non-fictious . We are thinking about > disallowing subclasses of Person, unless

[DBpedia-discussion] Purpose of the DBpedia Ontology was Re: Call for Ontology Editor demos for DBpedia

2017-07-11 Thread Sebastian Hellmann
Hi all, DBpedia has always had a firm founding in engineering and we should see the whole thing as an "information machine". From this perspective the purpose of the DBpedia Ontology becomes quite clear: - Usability for queries - driven by the question, what do our users want to retrieve?