Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-16 Thread David Kennedy 
Hi Bernd,

So just in regards this question:

* did you install open-vm-tools-desktop? if not, do it.

What happens is when I install Trixie via the iso both 'open-vm-tools' and 
'open-vm-tools-desktop' are both installed automatically. I can then break the 
desktop with those 2 installed.

I then purge 'open-vm-tools' and 'open-vm-tools-desktop' and reboot Trixie to 
see if they are causing the issue and once again I can break the desktop. This 
maybe suggests it's not a VMWare tools issue but hard to know as the logs 
aren't giving me much info to be honest.

I just made it break again at 'Jul 16 11:02' below where I have made the gap in 
the logs and as you can see it is still running in the background even now, but 
I can't access the desktop or another tty in Trixie. Hope this helps.

david@debian:~$ sudo journalctl -f
[sudo] password for david: 
Jul 16 11:00:58 debian systemd[1]: user-106.slice: Consumed 1.594s CPU time, 
98.6M memory peak.
Jul 16 11:01:10 debian systemd-timesyncd[349]: Contacted time server 
85.199.214.99:123 (2.debian.pool.ntp.org).
Jul 16 11:01:10 debian systemd-timesyncd[349]: Initial clock synchronization to 
Wed 2025-07-16 11:01:10.585010 BST.
Jul 16 11:01:11 debian systemd[1]: systemd-hostnamed.service: Deactivated 
successfully.
Jul 16 11:01:38 debian sshd-session[1321]: Accepted password for david from 
192.168.0.203 port 33638 ssh2
Jul 16 11:01:38 debian sshd-session[1321]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session 
opened for user david(uid=1000) by david(uid=0)
Jul 16 11:01:38 debian systemd-logind[738]: New session 4 of user david.
Jul 16 11:01:38 debian systemd[1]: Started session-4.scope - Session 4 of User 
david.
Jul 16 11:01:52 debian sudo[1336]:david : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/david ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/journalctl -f
Jul 16 11:01:52 debian sudo[1336]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for 
user root(uid=0) by david(uid=1000)
Jul 16 11:02:23 debian systemd[1]: Starting apt-daily-upgrade.service - Daily 
apt upgrade and clean activities...
Jul 16 11:02:24 debian systemd[1]: apt-daily-upgrade.service: Deactivated 
successfully.
Jul 16 11:02:24 debian systemd[1]: Finished apt-daily-upgrade.service - Daily 
apt upgrade and clean activities.


Jul 16 11:09:57 debian systemd-timesyncd[349]: Timed out waiting for reply from 
85.199.214.99:123 (2.debian.pool.ntp.org).
Jul 16 11:09:57 debian systemd-timesyncd[349]: Contacted time server 
176.58.115.34:123 (2.debian.pool.ntp.org).
Jul 16 11:15:59 debian systemd[1]: Starting systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service - 
Cleanup of Temporary Directories...
Jul 16 11:15:59 debian systemd-tmpfiles[1417]: 
/usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/legacy.conf:14: Duplicate line for path "/run/lock", 
ignoring.
Jul 16 11:15:59 debian systemd[1]: systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service: Deactivated 
successfully.
Jul 16 11:15:59 debian systemd[1]: Finished systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service - 
Cleanup of Temporary Directories.
Jul 16 11:17:01 debian CRON[1422]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for 
user root(uid=0) by root(uid=0)
Jul 16 11:17:01 debian CRON[1424]: (root) CMD (cd / && run-parts --report 
/etc/cron.hourly)
Jul 16 11:17:01 debian CRON[1422]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for 
user root
Jul 16 11:17:29 debian systemd[1]: Starting fstrim.service - Discard unused 
blocks on filesystems from /etc/fstab...
Jul 16 11:17:29 debian systemd[1]: fstrim.service: Deactivated successfully.
Jul 16 11:17:29 debian systemd[1]: Finished fstrim.service - Discard unused 
blocks on filesystems from /etc/fstab.
Jul 16 11:30:01 debian CRON[1435]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for 
user root(uid=0) by root(uid=0)
Jul 16 11:30:01 debian CRON[1437]: (root) CMD (if [ -x /etc/init.d/anacron ] && 
! [ -d /run/systemd/system ]; then exec /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start 
>/dev/null; fi)
Jul 16 11:30:01 debian CRON[1435]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for 
user root
Jul 16 11:31:23 debian systemd[1]: Started anacron.service - Run anacron jobs.
Jul 16 11:31:23 debian anacron[1439]: Anacron 2.3 started on 2025-07-16
Jul 16 11:31:23 debian anacron[1439]: Normal exit (0 jobs run)
Jul 16 11:31:23 debian systemd[1]: anacron.service: Deactivated successfully.

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz 

On 2025-07-16 10:49, Simon McVittie wrote:

I don't use VMware myself (most Debian developers probably do not) so 
this will probably have to be investigated further by someone who does. 
If the log has evidence of a problem with open-vm-tools, then this bug 
can/should be assigned to that package.


not even I use vmware for desktop machines - and unfortunately its
rarely possible to fix things in open-vm-tools only as they often
need changes in vmware, too.

If the bug is in open-vm-tools (and so in the vmware tools), the best
thing you can do is to open a support case at vmware.
Keep in mind that Debian 13 is not yet supported by them...

I would recommend to use kvm and libvirt and maybe proxmox.


Bernd

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Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz 

Hi,

* don't install vmware tools and open-vm-tools at the same time, they 
are the same thing.


* did you install open-vm-tools-desktop? if not, do it.

A quick look into the open-vm-tools code shows that wayland doesn't seem 
to be properly supported, it should not do anything then. But that code 
is in the desktop package, if you haven't installed that, nothing should 
change really.



Bernd



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Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-16 Thread David Kennedy 
Okay I removed VMware tools as requested too. I thought we had it cracked then 
as the Ctrl-C took a lot more of them, maybe 30 then it froze again. The crash 
happened at 10:45 before the gap in the logs below. Not sure they provide much 
info which is annoying.

david@debian:~$ sudo journalctl -f
[sudo] password for david: 
Jul 16 10:37:42 debian systemd[1]: Reload requested from client PID 2068 
('systemctl') (unit session-2.scope)...
Jul 16 10:37:42 debian systemd[1]: Reloading...
Jul 16 10:37:42 debian systemd[1]: Reloading finished in 162 ms.
Jul 16 10:37:43 debian sudo[1692]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session closed for 
user root
Jul 16 10:38:27 debian sshd-session[2135]: Accepted password for david from 
192.168.0.203 port 34516 ssh2
Jul 16 10:38:27 debian sshd-session[2135]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session 
opened for user david(uid=1000) by david(uid=0)
Jul 16 10:38:27 debian systemd-logind[751]: New session 4 of user david.
Jul 16 10:38:27 debian systemd[1]: Started session-4.scope - Session 4 of User 
david.
Jul 16 10:38:40 debian sudo[2148]:david : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/david ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/journalctl -f
Jul 16 10:38:40 debian sudo[2148]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for 
user root(uid=0) by david(uid=1000)
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian dbus-daemon[731]: [system] Activating via systemd: 
service name='org.freedesktop.timedate1' 
unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.timedate1.service' requested by ':1.56' (uid=1000 
pid=2158 comm="x-www-browser")
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian systemd[1]: Starting systemd-timedated.service - Time & 
Date Service...
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian systemd[1]: Started systemd-timedated.service - Time & 
Date Service.
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian dbus-daemon[731]: [system] Successfully activated 
service 'org.freedesktop.timedate1'
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian dbus-daemon[1302]: [session uid=1000 pid=1302 pidfd=5] 
Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop' 
unit='xdg-desktop-portal.service' requested by ':1.42' (uid=1000 pid=2158 
comm="x-www-browser")
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian systemd[1272]: Starting xdg-desktop-portal.service - 
Portal service...
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian dbus-daemon[1302]: [session uid=1000 pid=1302 pidfd=5] 
Activating via systemd: service 
name='org.freedesktop.impl.portal.PermissionStore' 
unit='xdg-permission-store.service' requested by ':1.44' (uid=1000 pid=2225 
comm="/usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal")
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian systemd[1272]: Starting xdg-permission-store.service - 
sandboxed app permission store...
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian dbus-daemon[1302]: [session uid=1000 pid=1302 pidfd=5] 
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.impl.portal.PermissionStore'
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian systemd[1272]: Started xdg-permission-store.service - 
sandboxed app permission store.
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian dbus-daemon[1302]: [session uid=1000 pid=1302 pidfd=5] 
Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.portal.Documents' 
unit='xdg-document-portal.service' requested by ':1.44' (uid=1000 pid=2225 
comm="/usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal")
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian systemd[1272]: Starting xdg-document-portal.service - 
flatpak document portal service...
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian dbus-daemon[1302]: [session uid=1000 pid=1302 pidfd=5] 
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.portal.Documents'
Jul 16 10:38:51 debian systemd[1272]: Started xdg-document-portal.service - 
flatpak document portal service.
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian systemd-udevd[364]: 
/usr/lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-restore.rules:18 GOTO="alsa_restore_std" has no 
matching label, ignoring.
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian systemd-udevd[364]: 
/usr/lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-restore.rules:18 The line has no effect any more, 
dropping.
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian systemd-udevd[364]: 
/usr/lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-restore.rules:22 GOTO="alsa_restore_std" has no 
matching label, ignoring.
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian systemd-udevd[364]: 
/usr/lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-restore.rules:22 The line has no effect any more, 
dropping.
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian dbus-daemon[1302]: [session uid=1000 pid=1302 pidfd=5] 
Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.gtk' 
unit='xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service' requested by ':1.44' (uid=1000 pid=2225 
comm="/usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal")
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian systemd[1272]: Starting xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service - 
Portal service (GTK/GNOME implementation)...
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian dbus-daemon[1302]: [session uid=1000 pid=1302 pidfd=5] 
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.gtk'
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian systemd[1272]: Started xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service - 
Portal service (GTK/GNOME implementation).
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian rtkit-daemon[1217]: Supervising 3 threads of 1 processes 
of 1 users.
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian rtkit-daemon[1217]: Supervising 3 threads of 1 processes 
of 1 users.
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian rtkit-daemon[1217]: Supervising 3 threads of 1 processes 
of 1 users.
Jul 16 10:38:52 debian xdg-desktop-porta

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-16 Thread David Kennedy 
That was super useful Simon and I have managed to do what you asked in your 
bullet points. 
The lack of access occurred at timestamp "Jul 16 10:10" when I opened mousepad, 
pasted a bunch of text into it and then did Ctrl-C from that text. My ssh 
access is still alive and the clock is still ticking in Trixie and just to note 
this is just after a fresh install so nothing additional added at this point. 
Worth also mentioning that this has been my experience on KDE too.

I have placed a gap in the logs below to indicate that those log entries were 
post-crash.

If you would like these logs in a text file or something else let me know and I 
will try your vmware tools removal test at some point too. 
Cheers



david@debian:~$ sudo journalctl -f
[sudo] password for david: 
Jul 16 10:06:12 debian systemd[1]: user-106.slice: Consumed 2.224s CPU time, 
101.9M memory peak.
Jul 16 10:06:16 debian systemd-timesyncd[353]: Contacted time server 
194.146.161.122:123 (2.debian.pool.ntp.org).
Jul 16 10:06:16 debian systemd-timesyncd[353]: Initial clock synchronization to 
Wed 2025-07-16 10:06:17.250879 BST.
Jul 16 10:06:17 debian systemd[1]: systemd-hostnamed.service: Deactivated 
successfully.
Jul 16 10:06:46 debian sshd-session[1693]: Accepted password for david from 
192.168.0.203 port 58412 ssh2
Jul 16 10:06:46 debian sshd-session[1693]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session 
opened for user david(uid=1000) by david(uid=0)
Jul 16 10:06:46 debian systemd-logind[743]: New session 4 of user david.
Jul 16 10:06:46 debian systemd[1]: Started session-4.scope - Session 4 of User 
david.
Jul 16 10:06:57 debian sudo[1706]:david : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/david ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/journalctl -f
Jul 16 10:06:57 debian sudo[1706]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for 
user root(uid=0) by david(uid=1000)
Jul 16 10:07:16 debian dbus-daemon[731]: [system] Activating via systemd: 
service name='org.freedesktop.timedate1' 
unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.timedate1.service' requested by ':1.55' (uid=1000 
pid=1716 comm="x-www-browser")
Jul 16 10:07:16 debian systemd[1]: Starting systemd-timedated.service - Time & 
Date Service...
Jul 16 10:07:16 debian systemd[1]: Started systemd-timedated.service - Time & 
Date Service.
Jul 16 10:07:16 debian dbus-daemon[731]: [system] Successfully activated 
service 'org.freedesktop.timedate1'
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian dbus-daemon[1299]: [session uid=1000 pid=1299 pidfd=5] 
Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop' 
unit='xdg-desktop-portal.service' requested by ':1.40' (uid=1000 pid=1716 
comm="x-www-browser")
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian systemd[1271]: Starting xdg-desktop-portal.service - 
Portal service...
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian dbus-daemon[1299]: [session uid=1000 pid=1299 pidfd=5] 
Activating via systemd: service 
name='org.freedesktop.impl.portal.PermissionStore' 
unit='xdg-permission-store.service' requested by ':1.42' (uid=1000 pid=1788 
comm="/usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal")
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian systemd[1271]: Starting xdg-permission-store.service - 
sandboxed app permission store...
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian dbus-daemon[1299]: [session uid=1000 pid=1299 pidfd=5] 
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.impl.portal.PermissionStore'
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian systemd[1271]: Started xdg-permission-store.service - 
sandboxed app permission store.
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian dbus-daemon[1299]: [session uid=1000 pid=1299 pidfd=5] 
Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.portal.Documents' 
unit='xdg-document-portal.service' requested by ':1.42' (uid=1000 pid=1788 
comm="/usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal")
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian systemd[1271]: Starting xdg-document-portal.service - 
flatpak document portal service...
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian dbus-daemon[1299]: [session uid=1000 pid=1299 pidfd=5] 
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.portal.Documents'
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian systemd[1271]: Started xdg-document-portal.service - 
flatpak document portal service.
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian dbus-daemon[1299]: [session uid=1000 pid=1299 pidfd=5] 
Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.gtk' 
unit='xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service' requested by ':1.42' (uid=1000 pid=1788 
comm="/usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal")
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian systemd[1271]: Starting xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service - 
Portal service (GTK/GNOME implementation)...
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian dbus-daemon[1299]: [session uid=1000 pid=1299 pidfd=5] 
Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.impl.portal.desktop.gtk'
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian systemd[1271]: Started xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.service - 
Portal service (GTK/GNOME implementation).
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian rtkit-daemon[1215]: Supervising 3 threads of 1 processes 
of 1 users.
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian rtkit-daemon[1215]: Supervising 3 threads of 1 processes 
of 1 users.
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian rtkit-daemon[1215]: Supervising 3 threads of 1 processes 
of 1 users.
Jul 16 10:07:17 debian xdg-desktop-portal[1788]: p

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-16 Thread Simon McVittie 

Control: retitle -1 in VMware with open-vm-tools-desktop, XFCE becomes 
unresponsive after repeated copy/paste

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 at 08:13:03 +, David Kennedy wrote:

after a few Ctrl-C keystrokes it crashes something and I can't use my mouse or 
keyboard, and worth noting that these open-vm-tools below weren't installed 
manually by me


Aha, open-vm-tools (or probably in your case open-vm-tools-desktop) 
sounds like exactly the sort of component I had in mind - I had expected 
it to have vmware in its name, but it does not.


Please check the systemd Journal for information about what is crashing 
and in what way, by running journalctl as root (use sudo or su). 
Probably the easiest way is:


- install the VM with a blank root password (this will add your non-root
  user to the sudo group, making it an administrator)
- when asked what tasks to install, add your chosen desktop environment
  (XFCE?) and also the ssh server
- log in to the VM via ssh as your non-root user using their password
- in the ssh shell, run: sudo journalctl -f
- in the GUI interface, copy/paste repeatedly to trigger the bug
- everything that is written to the system log during that time will
  appear in the ssh shell and can be copied into a text file

Your video seems to show the XFCE user interface becoming unresponsive, 
which is not exactly a "crash"; it's possible that this is caused by 
some component behind the scenes crashing, but it is not possible to 
confirm or deny this by just looking at what is shown on the VM's 
virtual monitor.


Another useful debugging step would be to remove open-vm-tools and 
open-vm-tools-desktop from the VM:


sudo apt purge open-vm-tools open-vm-tools-desktop

then reboot the VM and try to reproduce the bug. If you cannot, then 
that would be evidence of a problem with open-vm-tools. This will break 
some VMware features (like clipboard sharing with the host machine) so 
ideally you would not need to do this, but it provides a data point.


I don't use VMware myself (most Debian developers probably do not) so 
this will probably have to be investigated further by someone who does. 
If the log has evidence of a problem with open-vm-tools, then this bug 
can/should be assigned to that package.


smcv

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-16 Thread David Kennedy 
Thanks all for the reply. With the help of GPT here is some output around the 
tools the vm may have incorporated on install at the bottom.
If you look at the original video I provided you can see I literally arrive at 
xfce for the first time after initial boot. This is after I install Trixie RC1 
from the iso and go through the default steps. Then after a few Ctrl-C 
keystrokes it crashes something and I can't use my mouse or keyboard, and worth 
noting that these open-vm-tools below weren't installed manually by me. They 
were already for me which I guess they come with Debian which Cyril seems to 
have found they do in this message:

Seen in hw-detect's hw-detect.finish-install.d/08hw-detect:

case "$(detect_virt)" in
vmware)
if detect_desktop; then
apt-install --with-recommends open-vm-tools-desktop || true
else
apt-install --with-recommends open-vm-tools || true
fi
;;

Either way it might be worth trying out as if this is a pretty vanilla install 
in a VM it may cause issues to wider community. Unless of course there is 
something particularly funky with my external mouse and Trixie but its just a 
cheap one I have used for years in my Kali VM's so likely not. Happy to help 
more if required and provide more videos. Given it’s a VM I can rollback to 
just after install and show it crashing quite easily.


❯ dpkg -l | grep open-vm-tools

ii  open-vm-tools 2:12.5.0-2   
amd64Open VMware Tools for virtual machines hosted on VMware (CLI)

ii  open-vm-tools-desktop 2:12.5.0-2   
amd64Open VMware Tools for virtual machines hosted on VMware (GUI)

❯ systemctl status open-vm-tools

● open-vm-tools.service - Service for virtual machines hosted on VMware
 
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/open-vm-tools.service; enabled; preset: 
enabled)

Drop-In: /usr/lib/systemd/system/open-vm-tools.service.d
 
└─desktop.conf
 
Active: active (running) since Tue 2025-07-15 19:20:04 BST; 13h ago

 Invocation: caefd7e3bb8c444a94989942bbf1100a
   
Docs: http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/about.php

Process: 818 ExecStartPre=/sbin/modprobe vmwgfx (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
  
 Main PID: 832 (vmtoolsd)
  
Tasks: 4 (limit: 11630)
 
Memory: 4.9M (peak: 8M)

CPU: 4.289s
 
CGroup: /system.slice/open-vm-tools.service
   
  └─832 /usr/bin/vmtoolsd



❯ ps aux | grep vmtoolsd

root 832  0.1  0.1 113992 10068 ?Ssl  08:21   0:03 
/usr/bin/vmtoolsd

david   4553  0.0  0.0   6532  2320 pts/3S+   08:56   0:00  |   
|   |   \_ grep --color=auto vmtoolsd

david   1488  0.1  0.3 149596 39472 ?Sl   08:21   0:03 
/usr/bin/vmtoolsd -n vmusr --blockFd 3


❯ lsmod | grep vmw

vmw_balloon28672  0

vmw_vsock_virtio_transport_common61440  1 vsock_loopback

vmw_vsock_vmci_transport45056  2

vsock  61440  9 
vmw_vsock_virtio_transport_common,vsock_loopback,vmw_vsock_vmci_transport

vmw_vmci  110592  2 vmw_balloon,vmw_vsock_vmci_transport

vmwgfx466944  5

drm_ttm_helper 16384  2 vmwgfx

ttm   106496  2 vmwgfx,drm_ttm_helper

drm_kms_helper253952  2 vmwgfx,drm_ttm_helper

drm   774144  10 vmwgfx,drm_kms_helper,drm_ttm_helper,ttm

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-15 Thread Cyril Brulebois 
Simon McVittie  (2025-07-15):
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 at 18:27:46 +, David Kennedy wrote:
> > I am finding that it is consistently easy to crash [a VMWare VM] just
> > doing Ctrl-C many time
> 
> Does this VM have some sort of VMware "guest agent" installed, like a VMware
> equivalent of the functionality of qemu-guest-agent and
> virtualbox-guest-x11? Those components sometimes intercept copy/paste in
> order to synchronize the clipboard inside and outside the VM.
> 
> If yes, then this sounds like a problem with that component: please report
> it to your VMware support contact, or whoever provided that component to
> you. It is possible that it is not compatible with some updated component
> found in trixie.
> 
> > > VMware tools is installed also.
> 
> I don't know exactly what this is, but it sounds like it might be the VMware
> equivalent of what I decribed. There doesn't seem to be a component of that
> name in Debian, so presumably you must have got it from somewhere else.
> 
> Debian generally cannot provide support for third-party software.

Seen in hw-detect's hw-detect.finish-install.d/08hw-detect:

case "$(detect_virt)" in
vmware)
if detect_desktop; then
apt-install --with-recommends open-vm-tools-desktop || true
else
apt-install --with-recommends open-vm-tools || true
fi
;;

The description seems to match what you had in mind (except for the name).


Cheers,
-- 
Cyril Brulebois ([email protected])
D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant


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Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-15 Thread Simon McVittie 

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 at 18:27:46 +, David Kennedy wrote:

I am finding that it is consistently easy to crash [a VMWare VM] just
doing Ctrl-C many time


Does this VM have some sort of VMware "guest agent" installed, like a 
VMware equivalent of the functionality of qemu-guest-agent and 
virtualbox-guest-x11? Those components sometimes intercept copy/paste in 
order to synchronize the clipboard inside and outside the VM.


If yes, then this sounds like a problem with that component: please 
report it to your VMware support contact, or whoever provided that 
component to you. It is possible that it is not compatible with some 
updated component found in trixie.



VMware tools is installed also.


I don't know exactly what this is, but it sounds like it might be the 
VMware equivalent of what I decribed. There doesn't seem to be a 
component of that name in Debian, so presumably you must have got it 
from somewhere else.


Debian generally cannot provide support for third-party software.

smcv

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-15 Thread David Kennedy 
I am finding that it is consistently easy to crash now just doing Ctrl-C many 
time but mainly I have been doing so from Chrome. I also notice that the clock 
keeps ticking but I can't access another tty. 

The logs aren’t providing much information. The crash occurred around 19:01 and 
I could still see those CRON notifications appear as I was tailing journalctl 
even though I couldn’t access the desktop anymore with my keyboard or mouse on 
my VMWare virtual machine.

Jul 15 19:06:24 debian dunst[2354]: WARNING: Icon 'dialog-information' not 
found in themes
Jul 15 19:04:38 debian systemd[1326]: xfce4-notifyd.service: Two services 
allocated for the same bus name org.freedesktop.Notifications, refusing opera>
Jul 15 19:04:38 debian systemd[1326]: Failed to put bus name to hashmap: File 
exists
Jul 15 19:03:08 debian CRON[2786]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for 
user root
Jul 15 19:03:08 debian CRON[2788]: (root) CMD (if [ -x /etc/init.d/anacron ] && 
! [ -d /run/systemd/system ]; then exec /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron s>
Jul 15 19:03:08 debian CRON[2786]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for 
user root(uid=0) by root(uid=0)
Jul 15 19:03:08 debian CRON[2783]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for 
user root
Jul 15 19:03:08 debian CRON[2785]: (root) CMD (if [ -x /etc/init.d/anacron ] && 
! [ -d /run/systemd/system ]; then exec /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron s>
Jul 15 19:03:08 debian CRON[2783]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for 
user root(uid=0) by root(uid=0)
Jul 15 19:02:50 debian systemd[1]: anacron.service: Deactivated successfully.
Jul 15 19:02:50 debian anacron[2781]: Normal exit (0 jobs run)
Jul 15 19:02:50 debian anacron[2781]: Anacron 2.3 started on 2025-07-15
Jul 15 19:02:50 debian systemd[1]: Started anacron.service - Run anacron jobs.

-Original Message-
From: David Kennedy 
Sent: 11 July 2025 16:42
To: Thomas Goirand ; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

I have spent a bit of time with Trixie today and multiple times the desktop 
crashed on highlighting text in Chrome or Sublime then doing Ctrl-C or also 
within Terminator where I have Terminator set to copy on selection and I 
highlight some text. Definitely related to the copy action. 
I thought then was it something I introduced but I remembered back to the video 
that it also occurred on a fresh install too.

-Original Message-
From: David Kennedy
Sent: 04 July 2025 08:18
To: 'Thomas Goirand' ; '[email protected]' 
<[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

Just attaching the logs for what happened at exactly the time it crashed. 
Hopefully ii might help you reassign it to a package or a person who knows this 
area. It is a VM so I can go back to the intial snapshot and try things again 
if required.

-Original Message-
From: David Kennedy
Sent: 03 July 2025 22:42
To: Thomas Goirand ; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

cc:bugs

Yes, that worked perfectly. I thought it was fixed after spending some time on 
a new install, but I just decided to do another basic fresh install with xfce 
only and I managed to catch the issue on video for you.

So, in the video (just a small 12MB mkv file) is my first login after the fresh 
install. I carried out some commands that I did last time even if they were 
wrong. Just at the point you see me highlight some text in Konsole I do Ctrl-C 
and the desktop dies. I can't do anything further at this point. I don't even 
think I tried to do Ctrl-V with the selection to be honest but that is worth 
trying too.

Not sure if it relates to me doing the command "sudo usermod -aG sudo david" 
beforehand to add me to the sudoers file so maybe that was the trigger so worth 
trying that too if debugging this. I am pretty sure this can be easily 
recreated on KDE too as when I selected text there previously it died too. 
Really hope this helps.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/189zM9rW-TbhiQpuhtALneTIY1F0xg7-i/view?usp=drivesdk

-Original Message-
From: Thomas Goirand 
Sent: 02 July 2025 14:47
To: David Kennedy ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

On 7/2/25 09:34, David Kennedy wrote:
> Package: general
> 
> Version: Unknown
> 
> 
> 
> I am not sure about the package I’m afraid and I did email debian-user 
> for advice as per this “If you are unable to determine which package 
> your bug report should be filed against, please send e-mail to the 
> Debian user mailing list <mailto:[email protected]> asking 
> for advice.” but wasn’t informed so will leave it as ‘general’ I think.
> 
> I've installed Trixie RC1 a few times over the past week in VMWare 
> Workstation Pro

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-11 Thread David Kennedy 
I have spent a bit of time with Trixie today and multiple times the desktop 
crashed on highlighting text in Chrome or Sublime then doing Ctrl-C or also 
within Terminator where I have Terminator set to copy on selection and I 
highlight some text. Definitely related to the copy action. 
I thought then was it something I introduced but I remembered back to the video 
that it also occurred on a fresh install too.

-Original Message-
From: David Kennedy 
Sent: 04 July 2025 08:18
To: 'Thomas Goirand' ; '[email protected]' 
<[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

Just attaching the logs for what happened at exactly the time it crashed. 
Hopefully ii might help you reassign it to a package or a person who knows this 
area. It is a VM so I can go back to the intial snapshot and try things again 
if required.

-Original Message-
From: David Kennedy
Sent: 03 July 2025 22:42
To: Thomas Goirand ; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

cc:bugs

Yes, that worked perfectly. I thought it was fixed after spending some time on 
a new install, but I just decided to do another basic fresh install with xfce 
only and I managed to catch the issue on video for you.

So, in the video (just a small 12MB mkv file) is my first login after the fresh 
install. I carried out some commands that I did last time even if they were 
wrong. Just at the point you see me highlight some text in Konsole I do Ctrl-C 
and the desktop dies. I can't do anything further at this point. I don't even 
think I tried to do Ctrl-V with the selection to be honest but that is worth 
trying too.

Not sure if it relates to me doing the command "sudo usermod -aG sudo david" 
beforehand to add me to the sudoers file so maybe that was the trigger so worth 
trying that too if debugging this. I am pretty sure this can be easily 
recreated on KDE too as when I selected text there previously it died too. 
Really hope this helps.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/189zM9rW-TbhiQpuhtALneTIY1F0xg7-i/view?usp=drivesdk

-Original Message-
From: Thomas Goirand 
Sent: 02 July 2025 14:47
To: David Kennedy ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

On 7/2/25 09:34, David Kennedy wrote:
> Package: general
> 
> Version: Unknown
> 
> 
> 
> I am not sure about the package I’m afraid and I did email debian-user 
> for advice as per this “If you are unable to determine which package 
> your bug report should be filed against, please send e-mail to the 
> Debian user mailing list <mailto:[email protected]> asking 
> for advice.” but wasn’t informed so will leave it as ‘general’ I think.
> 
> I've installed Trixie RC1 a few times over the past week in VMWare 
> Workstation Pro and noticed a recurring issue.
> 
> I noticed that it sometimes struggles with what I assumed was copying 
> and pasting but had forgotten that the keyboard shortcuts for those 
> are actually Ctrl+Shift plus either c or v.
> 
> Whenever I copied and tried to paste into Konsole with CTRL-V I could 
> no longer click into the desktop. Sometimes a notification may still 
> pop up during this but mouse or keyboard control was gone.
> 
> I thought it was when doing CTRL-V from one vm to another but it also 
> just occurred within the single vm. This occurs no matter the Desktop 
> environment.
> 
> Also just a moment ago on a basic install of xfce I went to copy from 
> a command from a text file within the trixie vm and then did CTRL-V to 
> paste it to the console and ^ V gets continuously added to the command 
> line tens of times and then I can't access the desktop.
> 
> Another time even just selecting the text I wanted to copy from gedit 
> and copying it hung the desktop and multiple times copying text from 
> another vm with CTRL-V into the Trixie Konsole caused the issue.
> VMware tools is installed also.
> 
> I'm trying to streamline a bootstrap install script to install all my 
> pentesting tools and dotfiles hence why I've installed it many times 
> and reverted to bare bones installs on vmware too to play around with 
> my script. It's quite common that this is happening on fresh installs 
> and I have lots of RAM available too.

Did you try SHIFT-Insert ?

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-03 Thread David Kennedy 
cc:bugs

Yes, that worked perfectly. I thought it was fixed after spending some time on 
a new install, but I just decided to do another basic fresh install with xfce 
only and I managed to catch the issue on video for you.

So, in the video (just a small 12MB mkv file) is my first login after the fresh 
install. I carried out some commands that I did last time even if they were 
wrong. Just at the point you see me highlight some text in Konsole I do Ctrl-C 
and the desktop dies. I can't do anything further at this point. I don't even 
think I tried to do Ctrl-V with the selection to be honest but that is worth 
trying too.

Not sure if it relates to me doing the command "sudo usermod -aG sudo david" 
beforehand to add me to the sudoers file so maybe that was the trigger so worth 
trying that too if debugging this. I am pretty sure this can be easily 
recreated on KDE too as when I selected text there previously it died too. 
Really hope this helps.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/189zM9rW-TbhiQpuhtALneTIY1F0xg7-i/view?usp=drivesdk

-Original Message-
From: Thomas Goirand  
Sent: 02 July 2025 14:47
To: David Kennedy ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

On 7/2/25 09:34, David Kennedy wrote:
> Package: general
> 
> Version: Unknown
> 
> 
> 
> I am not sure about the package I’m afraid and I did email debian-user 
> for advice as per this “If you are unable to determine which package 
> your bug report should be filed against, please send e-mail to the 
> Debian user mailing list <mailto:[email protected]> asking 
> for advice.” but wasn’t informed so will leave it as ‘general’ I think.
> 
> I've installed Trixie RC1 a few times over the past week in VMWare 
> Workstation Pro and noticed a recurring issue.
> 
> I noticed that it sometimes struggles with what I assumed was copying 
> and pasting but had forgotten that the keyboard shortcuts for those 
> are actually Ctrl+Shift plus either c or v.
> 
> Whenever I copied and tried to paste into Konsole with CTRL-V I could 
> no longer click into the desktop. Sometimes a notification may still 
> pop up during this but mouse or keyboard control was gone.
> 
> I thought it was when doing CTRL-V from one vm to another but it also 
> just occurred within the single vm. This occurs no matter the Desktop 
> environment.
> 
> Also just a moment ago on a basic install of xfce I went to copy from 
> a command from a text file within the trixie vm and then did CTRL-V to 
> paste it to the console and ^ V gets continuously added to the command 
> line tens of times and then I can't access the desktop.
> 
> Another time even just selecting the text I wanted to copy from gedit 
> and copying it hung the desktop and multiple times copying text from 
> another vm with CTRL-V into the Trixie Konsole caused the issue. 
> VMware tools is installed also.
> 
> I'm trying to streamline a bootstrap install script to install all my 
> pentesting tools and dotfiles hence why I've installed it many times 
> and reverted to bare bones installs on vmware too to play around with 
> my script. It's quite common that this is happening on fresh installs 
> and I have lots of RAM available too.

Did you try SHIFT-Insert ?

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-02 Thread Thomas Goirand 

On 7/2/25 09:34, David Kennedy wrote:

Package: general

Version: Unknown



I am not sure about the package I’m afraid and I did email debian-user 
for advice as per this “If you are unable to determine which package 
your bug report should be filed against, please send e-mail to the 
Debian user mailing list  asking 
for advice.” but wasn’t informed so will leave it as ‘general’ I think.


I've installed Trixie RC1 a few times over the past week in VMWare 
Workstation Pro and noticed a recurring issue.


I noticed that it sometimes struggles with what I assumed was copying 
and pasting but had forgotten that the keyboard shortcuts for those are 
actually Ctrl+Shift plus either c or v.


Whenever I copied and tried to paste into Konsole with CTRL-V I could no 
longer click into the desktop. Sometimes a notification may still pop up 
during this but mouse or keyboard control was gone.


I thought it was when doing CTRL-V from one vm to another but it also 
just occurred within the single vm. This occurs no matter the Desktop 
environment.


Also just a moment ago on a basic install of xfce I went to copy from a 
command from a text file within the trixie vm and then did CTRL-V to 
paste it to the console and ^ V gets continuously added to the command 
line tens of times and then I can't access the desktop.


Another time even just selecting the text I wanted to copy from gedit 
and copying it hung the desktop and multiple times copying text from 
another vm with CTRL-V into the Trixie Konsole caused the issue. VMware 
tools is installed also.


I'm trying to streamline a bootstrap install script to install all my 
pentesting tools and dotfiles hence why I've installed it many times and 
reverted to bare bones installs on vmware too to play around with my 
script. It's quite common that this is happening on fresh installs and I 
have lots of RAM available too.


Did you try SHIFT-Insert ?

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)

Bug#1108643: Trixie Keyboard Shortcut Issues within VMWare

2025-07-02 Thread David Kennedy 
Package: general
Version: Unknown


I am not sure about the package I'm afraid and I did email debian-user for 
advice as per this "If you are unable to determine which package your bug 
report should be filed against, please send e-mail to the Debian user mailing 
list asking for advice." but wasn't 
informed so will leave it as 'general' I think.

I've installed Trixie RC1 a few times over the past week in VMWare Workstation 
Pro and noticed a recurring issue.

I noticed that it sometimes struggles with what I assumed was copying and 
pasting but had forgotten that the keyboard shortcuts for those are actually 
Ctrl+Shift plus either c or v.
Whenever I copied and tried to paste into Konsole with CTRL-V I could no longer 
click into the desktop. Sometimes a notification may still pop up during this 
but mouse or keyboard control was gone.

I thought it was when doing CTRL-V from one vm to another but it also just 
occurred within the single vm. This occurs no matter the Desktop environment.
Also just a moment ago on a basic install of xfce I went to copy from a command 
from a text file within the trixie vm and then did CTRL-V to paste it to the 
console and ^ V gets continuously added to the command line tens of times and 
then I can't access the desktop.

Another time even just selecting the text I wanted to copy from gedit and 
copying it hung the desktop and multiple times copying text from another vm 
with CTRL-V into the Trixie Konsole caused the issue. VMware tools is installed 
also.

I'm trying to streamline a bootstrap install script to install all my 
pentesting tools and dotfiles hence why I've installed it many times and 
reverted to bare bones installs on vmware too to play around with my script. 
It's quite common that this is happening on fresh installs and I have lots of 
RAM available too.