Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-26 Thread Simon Josefsson
Andreas Metzler  writes:

> On 2025-07-25 Simon Josefsson  wrote:
>> Andreas Metzler  writes:
> [...]
>
>> > * I doubt that a multi-year old version of liboqs (which is what you'd
>> >   have in stable in a not too distant future) would be useful for
>> >   experiments and testing. liboqs is pretty fast moving. You would want
>> >   bleeding edge for experimenting.
>
>> My primary use-case for liboqs in stable is to setup interop testing
>> between different PQ libraries and help development of PQ libraries.
>> Having some OLD and stable release of liboqs widely available is what I
>> would prefer.  I want to test that some other PQ crypto libraries are
>> able to interop with some old known-to-produce-correct-results liboqs.
>> So there is no need for this liboqs to be able to protect sensitive
>> data.  It just have to produce something.  Which seems to match what the
>> liboqs maintainers says it is good for.
>
> Hello,
>
> If there is a stable release of liboqs this indeed makes sense.

In what way are the liboqs releases less stable than many other things
we accept into stable?  The limitation seems to be:

WE DO NOT CURRENTLY RECOMMEND RELYING ON THIS LIBRARY IN A
PRODUCTION ENVIRONMENT OR TO PROTECT ANY SENSITIVE DATA. This
library is meant to help with research and prototyping. While we
make a best-effort approach to avoid security bugs, this library has
not received the level of auditing and analysis that would be
necessary to rely on it for high security use.

There are other things in stable with similar properties, which many
find useful because their field of interest is research and prototyping.

/Simon


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Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-25 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2025-07-25 Simon Josefsson  wrote:
> Andreas Metzler  writes:
[...]

> > * I doubt that a multi-year old version of liboqs (which is what you'd
> >   have in stable in a not too distant future) would be useful for
> >   experiments and testing. liboqs is pretty fast moving. You would want
> >   bleeding edge for experimenting.

> My primary use-case for liboqs in stable is to setup interop testing
> between different PQ libraries and help development of PQ libraries.
> Having some OLD and stable release of liboqs widely available is what I
> would prefer.  I want to test that some other PQ crypto libraries are
> able to interop with some old known-to-produce-correct-results liboqs.
> So there is no need for this liboqs to be able to protect sensitive
> data.  It just have to produce something.  Which seems to match what the
> liboqs maintainers says it is good for.

Hello,

If there is a stable release of liboqs this indeed makes sense.

cu Andreas
-- 
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so grateful to you.'
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Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-25 Thread Simon Josefsson
Andreas Metzler  writes:

>> Is it forbidden for packages to exist in unstable and/or experimental
>> only in Debian?
>
> Hello Simon,
>
> *I* think having packages only available in experimental is perfectly
> fine. unstable is ditchy because iirc it has happened that our stopgap
> measure to prevent testing migration (rc-bug) failed to work. Imho that
> might work for leaf-packagages but not for libraries because it adds
> another possibility for making errors. ("Gosh I did not realize my
> package did not migrate to testing anymore because it picked up a dep on
> a non-migratable package.")

Okay.  Is the experimental buildd setup the same as for unstable?  I
recall that uploading to experimental built things differently that
caused it to not be similar to uploading to unstable, triggering weird
build errors.  But maybe the buildd setup has evolved since then.

>> While liboqs is not intended for normal production use because of
>> certain properties, it is useful for its designated purposes of
>> experiments and testing.  I think we somehow conflate these two,
>> thinking that everything in a Debian stable release MUST be intended for
>> secure production use.  I think it is fine to ship things with known
>> serious issues for certain use-cases, but perfectly good properties for
>> other use-cases, as long as the limitations and use-cases are clearly
>> documented.  So to me having liboqs in a Debian stable release seems
>> acceptable.
> [...]
> Two things:
> * Afaiui upstream would prefer we did not do that.

That is a good reason to keep it out of stable, although we should
qualify if they understood what they were asking for.  Having it in
stable to support experiment and testing seems to be in line with their
stated goals.  It seems more that they don't want it to be used for
protecting sensitive data, which is a different request.

> * I doubt that a multi-year old version of liboqs (which is what you'd
>   have in stable in a not too distant future) would be useful for
>   experiments and testing. liboqs is pretty fast moving. You would want
>   bleeding edge for experimenting.

My primary use-case for liboqs in stable is to setup interop testing
between different PQ libraries and help development of PQ libraries.
Having some OLD and stable release of liboqs widely available is what I
would prefer.  I want to test that some other PQ crypto libraries are
able to interop with some old known-to-produce-correct-results liboqs.
So there is no need for this liboqs to be able to protect sensitive
data.  It just have to produce something.  Which seems to match what the
liboqs maintainers says it is good for.

/Simon


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Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-24 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2025-07-23 Simon Josefsson  wrote:
> Andreas Metzler  writes:
>>> The documented reason for removal from unstable was a FTBFS
>>> https://bugs.debian.org/1100144
>> [...]

>> Hello,
>> Yes. liboqs ended up being unmaintained, lagging multiple upstream
>> versions behind. I pondered adopting/rescueing it but refrained from
>> doing so when I got the impression this might probably never be a
>> candidate for Debian stable, i.e. it should always have lived in
>> experimental instead of sid.

> Is it forbidden for packages to exist in unstable and/or experimental
> only in Debian?

Hello Simon,

*I* think having packages only available in experimental is perfectly
fine. unstable is ditchy because iirc it has happened that our stopgap
measure to prevent testing migration (rc-bug) failed to work. Imho that
might work for leaf-packagages but not for libraries because it adds
another possibility for making errors. ("Gosh I did not realize my
package did not migrate to testing anymore because it picked up a dep on
a non-migratable package.")

> While liboqs is not intended for normal production use because of
> certain properties, it is useful for its designated purposes of
> experiments and testing.  I think we somehow conflate these two,
> thinking that everything in a Debian stable release MUST be intended for
> secure production use.  I think it is fine to ship things with known
> serious issues for certain use-cases, but perfectly good properties for
> other use-cases, as long as the limitations and use-cases are clearly
> documented.  So to me having liboqs in a Debian stable release seems
> acceptable.
[...]
Two things:
* Afaiui upstream would prefer we did not do that.
* I doubt that a multi-year old version of liboqs (which is what you'd
  have in stable in a not too distant future) would be useful for
  experiments and testing. liboqs is pretty fast moving. You would want
  bleeding edge for experimenting.

cu Andreas

-- 
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Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Aaron Rainbolt
On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 8:31 PM Michael Stone  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 08:05:48PM -0500, Aaron Rainbolt wrote:
> >One easy plausible example would be a benchmarking application that
> >tested quantum-resistant algorithms as part of the tests it ran (say
> >Phoronix Test Suite, not that it does that now but it could some day).
>
> A benchmarking application that doesn't exist and which happens to only
> use the version in debian stable? That seems pretty unlikely, no?
>
> >A communication application with experimental PQC support would be
> >another example, and indeed if liboqs is intended to ever mature to
> >something usable in a security-sensitive use case, it would make sense
> >for people wanting to add PQC support to use liboqs now and then
> >upgrade their PQC support to "not experimental" once the library was
> >declared ready for security-sensitive use.
>
> Or use a different library, right? That's a lot of "maybe in the
> futures" which assume that this library will someday become essential.
> If the support is experimental and it's a *communication application*,
> we're not likely to ship in enabled in stable, right?
>
> >> Do you have actual examples of applications which need to use an
> >> obsolete version of this (let's be honest, security sensitive) library
> >> which is declared to be unstable? And the concern is that the library
> >> will evolve to not build on stable debian, but the application will not?
> >> This smells a lot more like rationalizing than addressing practical
> >> concerns.
> >
> >This library in particular? No, but I've run into this situation with
> >other software in the past, even in distros less stable than Debian.
>
> So let's worry about it when it becomes a problem. We do have
> backports...
>
> >I don't really see how the concerns you're expressing are practical,
> >they seem to be "I don't understand why anyone would use this". The
> >only practical concerns I can see are archive size (haven't heard any
> >concerns that the archive is getting to big so far) or maintainership
> >burden (there's someone interested in maintaining it for now and the
> >project doesn't look massive), and both of those concerns apply to
> >every package in the archive. There are people actively interested in
> >both packaging and using liboqs in this thread, if I'm understanding
> >correctly, so "why would anyone use this" doesn't make sense as an
> >argument to me.
>
> No, the concerns are about shipping a *security sensitive library* in
> stable (so it needs to last for *years*) when the upstream specifically
> says not to do that. So far I haven't seen *any* strong reason to make
> that (IMO) really bad decision which would be biting us in 2030 or later.

The library is, by upstream's declaration, not security-sensitive,
because it can't be used for security-sensitive purposes (yet). Yet it
exists, and people want to use it. The only way this could come back
to bite us is if developers foolishly make applications that are
advertised as "post-quantum *secure*" but use liboqs for that
security, despite upstream's warnings. If there's a demand for it now,
I think the people interested in packaging and using it should be the
arbiters of if it belongs or not. (It's not like I have any say here,
I literally only said anything in this thread to bring up
debian-security-support, and it turned into an argument.)

If we're going to refuse to ship things that will break badly in a
security-sensitive situation, why do we ship anything that's marked as
not security supported in debian-security-support?



Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Michael Stone

On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 08:05:48PM -0500, Aaron Rainbolt wrote:

One easy plausible example would be a benchmarking application that
tested quantum-resistant algorithms as part of the tests it ran (say
Phoronix Test Suite, not that it does that now but it could some day).


A benchmarking application that doesn't exist and which happens to only 
use the version in debian stable? That seems pretty unlikely, no?



A communication application with experimental PQC support would be
another example, and indeed if liboqs is intended to ever mature to
something usable in a security-sensitive use case, it would make sense
for people wanting to add PQC support to use liboqs now and then
upgrade their PQC support to "not experimental" once the library was
declared ready for security-sensitive use.


Or use a different library, right? That's a lot of "maybe in the 
futures" which assume that this library will someday become essential. 
If the support is experimental and it's a *communication application*, 
we're not likely to ship in enabled in stable, right?



Do you have actual examples of applications which need to use an
obsolete version of this (let's be honest, security sensitive) library
which is declared to be unstable? And the concern is that the library
will evolve to not build on stable debian, but the application will not?
This smells a lot more like rationalizing than addressing practical
concerns.


This library in particular? No, but I've run into this situation with
other software in the past, even in distros less stable than Debian.


So let's worry about it when it becomes a problem. We do have 
backports...



I don't really see how the concerns you're expressing are practical,
they seem to be "I don't understand why anyone would use this". The
only practical concerns I can see are archive size (haven't heard any
concerns that the archive is getting to big so far) or maintainership
burden (there's someone interested in maintaining it for now and the
project doesn't look massive), and both of those concerns apply to
every package in the archive. There are people actively interested in
both packaging and using liboqs in this thread, if I'm understanding
correctly, so "why would anyone use this" doesn't make sense as an
argument to me.


No, the concerns are about shipping a *security sensitive library* in 
stable (so it needs to last for *years*) when the upstream specifically 
says not to do that. So far I haven't seen *any* strong reason to make 
that (IMO) really bad decision which would be biting us in 2030 or later.




Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Aaron Rainbolt
On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 7:42 PM Michael Stone  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 06:40:39PM -0500, Aaron Rainbolt wrote:
> >Who says we can't build anything against it though?
>
> Anyone using common sense, IMO.

That isn't an argument.

> >Big, security-sensitive packages can't use it, but other programs might
> >end up needing it in the future for non-security-sensitive things.
>
> A non-security-sensitive application that needs PQC vs existing
> widely available encryption algorithms? Do you have any plausible
> example of this? "Might maybe needs this someday" isn't very compelling.

One easy plausible example would be a benchmarking application that
tested quantum-resistant algorithms as part of the tests it ran (say
Phoronix Test Suite, not that it does that now but it could some day).
A communication application with experimental PQC support would be
another example, and indeed if liboqs is intended to ever mature to
something usable in a security-sensitive use case, it would make sense
for people wanting to add PQC support to use liboqs now and then
upgrade their PQC support to "not experimental" once the library was
declared ready for security-sensitive use.

> >Plus, "the source is more useful and easily obtained elsewhere" doesn't
> >work when dependencies in a stable release of Debian may not be new
> >enough to build the latest version of things. `sudo apt install
> >liboqs-dev` is orders of magnitude easier than `git clone ...; # figure
> >out the right version to check out, possibly by trial and error; #
> >figure out the actually needed build dependencies, may need trial and
> >error here too; configure; make`.
>
> Do you have actual examples of applications which need to use an
> obsolete version of this (let's be honest, security sensitive) library
> which is declared to be unstable? And the concern is that the library
> will evolve to not build on stable debian, but the application will not?
> This smells a lot more like rationalizing than addressing practical
> concerns.

This library in particular? No, but I've run into this situation with
other software in the past, even in distros less stable than Debian.

I don't really see how the concerns you're expressing are practical,
they seem to be "I don't understand why anyone would use this". The
only practical concerns I can see are archive size (haven't heard any
concerns that the archive is getting to big so far) or maintainership
burden (there's someone interested in maintaining it for now and the
project doesn't look massive), and both of those concerns apply to
every package in the archive. There are people actively interested in
both packaging and using liboqs in this thread, if I'm understanding
correctly, so "why would anyone use this" doesn't make sense as an
argument to me.



Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Michael Stone

On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 06:40:39PM -0500, Aaron Rainbolt wrote:

Who says we can't build anything against it though?


Anyone using common sense, IMO.

Big, security-sensitive packages can't use it, but other programs might 
end up needing it in the future for non-security-sensitive things.


A non-security-sensitive application that needs PQC vs existing 
widely available encryption algorithms? Do you have any plausible 
example of this? "Might maybe needs this someday" isn't very compelling.


Plus, "the source is more useful and easily obtained elsewhere" doesn't 
work when dependencies in a stable release of Debian may not be new 
enough to build the latest version of things. `sudo apt install 
liboqs-dev` is orders of magnitude easier than `git clone ...; # figure 
out the right version to check out, possibly by trial and error; # 
figure out the actually needed build dependencies, may need trial and 
error here too; configure; make`.


Do you have actual examples of applications which need to use an 
obsolete version of this (let's be honest, security sensitive) library 
which is declared to be unstable? And the concern is that the library 
will evolve to not build on stable debian, but the application will not? 
This smells a lot more like rationalizing than addressing practical 
concerns.




Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Aaron Rainbolt
On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 6:15 PM Michael Stone  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 05:57:11PM -0500, Aaron Rainbolt wrote:
> >To me it sounds like perhaps it should be listed as explicitly
> >unsupported from a security perspective?
>
> To me it sounds like it shouldn't be in debian. We can't really build
> anything against it, so it's basically a curiosity/learning tool...and
> for that purpose the source is more useful and easily obtained
> elsewhere.

Who says we can't build anything against it though? Big,
security-sensitive packages can't use it, but other programs might end
up needing it in the future for non-security-sensitive things. Plus,
"the source is more useful and easily obtained elsewhere" doesn't work
when dependencies in a stable release of Debian may not be new enough
to build the latest version of things. `sudo apt install liboqs-dev`
is orders of magnitude easier than `git clone ...; # figure out the
right version to check out, possibly by trial and error; # figure out
the actually needed build dependencies, may need trial and error here
too; configure; make`.



Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Michael Stone

On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 05:57:11PM -0500, Aaron Rainbolt wrote:

To me it sounds like perhaps it should be listed as explicitly
unsupported from a security perspective?


To me it sounds like it shouldn't be in debian. We can't really build 
anything against it, so it's basically a curiosity/learning tool...and 
for that purpose the source is more useful and easily obtained 
elsewhere.




Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Aaron Rainbolt
On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 5:20 PM Simon Josefsson  wrote:
>
> Andreas Metzler  writes:
>
> >> The documented reason for removal from unstable was a FTBFS
> >> https://bugs.debian.org/1100144
> > [...]
> >
> > Hello,
> > Yes. liboqs ended up being unmaintained, lagging multiple upstream
> > versions behind. I pondered adopting/rescueing it but refrained from
> > doing so when I got the impression this might probably never be a
> > candidate for Debian stable, i.e. it should always have lived in
> > experimental instead of sid.
>
> Is it forbidden for packages to exist in unstable and/or experimental
> only in Debian?
>
> While liboqs is not intended for normal production use because of
> certain properties, it is useful for its designated purposes of
> experiments and testing.  I think we somehow conflate these two,
> thinking that everything in a Debian stable release MUST be intended for
> secure production use.  I think it is fine to ship things with known
> serious issues for certain use-cases, but perfectly good properties for
> other use-cases, as long as the limitations and use-cases are clearly
> documented.  So to me having liboqs in a Debian stable release seems
> acceptable.

To me it sounds like perhaps it should be listed as explicitly
unsupported from a security perspective? (How that works, I haven't
looked into yet, but I know check-support-status from
debian-security-support can find info about what is and isn't
supported somehow, so I'm sure it can be done.)

> It seems good that GnuTLS stopped using liboqs though, because GnuTLS
> _is_ intended for secure online usage whereas liboqs is not.
>
> /Simon



Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Simon Josefsson
Andreas Metzler  writes:

>> The documented reason for removal from unstable was a FTBFS
>> https://bugs.debian.org/1100144
> [...]
>
> Hello,
> Yes. liboqs ended up being unmaintained, lagging multiple upstream
> versions behind. I pondered adopting/rescueing it but refrained from
> doing so when I got the impression this might probably never be a
> candidate for Debian stable, i.e. it should always have lived in
> experimental instead of sid.

Is it forbidden for packages to exist in unstable and/or experimental
only in Debian?

While liboqs is not intended for normal production use because of
certain properties, it is useful for its designated purposes of
experiments and testing.  I think we somehow conflate these two,
thinking that everything in a Debian stable release MUST be intended for
secure production use.  I think it is fine to ship things with known
serious issues for certain use-cases, but perfectly good properties for
other use-cases, as long as the limitations and use-cases are clearly
documented.  So to me having liboqs in a Debian stable release seems
acceptable.

It seems good that GnuTLS stopped using liboqs though, because GnuTLS
_is_ intended for secure online usage whereas liboqs is not.

/Simon


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Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2025-07-23 Hector Oron  wrote:
> El mié, 23 jul 2025 a las 6:40, Andreas Metzler () escribió:

>> On 2025-07-22 Hector Oron Martinez  wrote:

>>> I would like to provide Quantum Safe algorithms for Debian usage and
>>> form a team of people that works enabling this in the project.

>> liboqs already once was part of Debian/sid and was removed later.

>> One of the major reasons was that upstream did not want to see liboqs
>> shipped in a stable release (See
>> https://github.com/orgs/open-quantum-safe/discussions/1625 )

> The documented reason for removal from unstable was a FTBFS
> https://bugs.debian.org/1100144
[...]

Hello,
Yes. liboqs ended up being unmaintained, lagging multiple upstream
versions behind. I pondered adopting/rescueing it but refrained from
doing so when I got the impression this might probably never be a
candidate for Debian stable, i.e. it should always have lived in
experimental instead of sid.

cu Andreas
-- 
`What a good friend you are to him, Dr. Maturin. His other friends are
so grateful to you.'
`I sew his ears on from time to time, sure'



Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Simon Josefsson
Hector Oron  writes:

> Hello,
>
> El mié, 23 jul 2025 a las 12:56, Simon Josefsson
> () escribió:
>
>> How about updating that to the latest release, and make (say) the
>> 'Debian Security Tools' the maintainer, with interested people as
>> Uploaders?
>
> That's exactly what I wanted to do, I am not part of 'Debian Security
> Tools', and I am not sure if they want to take on the PQ burden,
> probably we should discuss with them if they want to take it, I won't
> have objections to that. Alternatively, we could create a 'Debian PQ
> task force' team to figure out how are we going to integrate this in
> the distribution.
>
>> Hector, did you package 0.14.0 or did you just plan to do so?  If you
>> packaged 0.14.0 I could merge it into my git repo above, or something.
>
> I have not yet worked on updating the package to 0.14.0, I was
> planning to do that, but then I thought it might be best to discuss
> how we move forward with this.

Sounds good!  Please join the security group, it is simple I think.
Proliferation of Debian maintainer groups seems like a hassle to me, and
we are short number of interested people anyway..

/Simon


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Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Hector Oron
Hello,

El mié, 23 jul 2025 a las 12:56, Simon Josefsson
() escribió:

> How about updating that to the latest release, and make (say) the
> 'Debian Security Tools' the maintainer, with interested people as
> Uploaders?

That's exactly what I wanted to do, I am not part of 'Debian Security
Tools', and I am not sure if they want to take on the PQ burden,
probably we should discuss with them if they want to take it, I won't
have objections to that. Alternatively, we could create a 'Debian PQ
task force' team to figure out how are we going to integrate this in
the distribution.

> Hector, did you package 0.14.0 or did you just plan to do so?  If you
> packaged 0.14.0 I could merge it into my git repo above, or something.

I have not yet worked on updating the package to 0.14.0, I was
planning to do that, but then I thought it might be best to discuss
how we move forward with this.

Regards,
-- 
 Héctor Orón  -.. . -... .. .- -.   -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.



Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Hector Oron
Hello Andreas,

El mié, 23 jul 2025 a las 6:40, Andreas Metzler () escribió:

> On 2025-07-22 Hector Oron Martinez  wrote:

> > I would like to provide Quantum Safe algorithms for Debian usage and
> > form a team of people that works enabling this in the project.

> liboqs already once was part of Debian/sid and was removed later.
>
> One of the major reasons was that upstream did not want to see liboqs
> shipped in a stable release (See
> https://github.com/orgs/open-quantum-safe/discussions/1625 )

The documented reason for removal from unstable was a FTBFS
https://bugs.debian.org/1100144

I do still think we need to provide this package to start enabling PQC
in the distribution, then consider if we want this in stable release
or not.

Many other distributions have this package available:
https://repology.org/project/liboqs/versions

In anycase, thanks for the discussion hyperlink, that is very interesting.

> GnuTLS has (temporarily, until nettle has PQ in a released version)
> switched to leancrypto from liboqs, have you looked at that?

Maybe leancrypto is a better way forward for enabling PQ, someone
should look into this, it looks interesting.
For reference, https://repology.org/project/leancrypto/versions

Thanks for the information, very useful.

One question, is there a clear way forward to enable PQ and keep
compatible with others? Does it make sense to package everything until
the path forward is more clear?

Regards
-- 
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Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-23 Thread Simon Josefsson
Hector Oron  writes:

>> I have an update here that could be reviewed and uploaded, I have
>> talked to Adrian and Andrius about this - maybe with all of us
>> helping we can finish it?
>> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/liboqs
>
> Yes, that is great. I suggest we create a team and work on enabling
> this feature in the distribution for the forky release.

How about updating that to the latest release, and make (say) the
'Debian Security Tools' the maintainer, with interested people as
Uploaders?

Hector, did you package 0.14.0 or did you just plan to do so?  If you
packaged 0.14.0 I could merge it into my git repo above, or something.

/Simon


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Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
On 2025-07-22 Hector Oron Martinez  wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Hector Oron Martinez 
> X-Debbugs-Cc: [email protected], [email protected], 
> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

> * Package name: liboqs
>   Version : 0.14.0
[...]

> I would like to provide Quantum Safe algorithms for Debian usage and
> form a team of people that works enabling this in the project.

> This package is the first step, from my point of view, to get this
> enabled in the distribution.

liboqs already once was part of Debian/sid and was removed later.

One of the major reasons was that upstream did not want to see liboqs
shipped in a stable release (See
https://github.com/orgs/open-quantum-safe/discussions/1625 )

GnuTLS has (temporarily, until nettle has PQ in a released version)
switched to leancrypto from liboqs, have you looked at that?

cu Andreas



Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-22 Thread Simon Josefsson


Hi

It is already in Debian:

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/liboqs

I have an update here that could be reviewed and uploaded, I have talked to 
Adrian and Andrius about this - maybe with all of us helping we can finish it?

https://salsa.debian.org/debian/liboqs

/Simon

> 22 juli 2025 kl. 09:42 skrev Hector Oron Martinez :
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Hector Oron Martinez 
> X-Debbugs-Cc: [email protected], [email protected], 
> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
> 
> * Package name: liboqs
>  Version : 0.14.0
>  Upstream Contact: https://github.com/open-quantum-safe/liboqs/issues
> * URL : https://openquantumsafe.org/
> * License : Apache-2.0, BSD-3-Clause, CC0, Expat, GPL-3, public-domain
>  Programming Lang: C, Assembler
>  Description : library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms
> 
> liboqs is an open source C library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms.
> It provides a collection of open source implementations of quantum-safe key
> encapsulation mechanism (KEM) and digital signature algorithms; a common API
> for these algorithms; a test harness and benchmarking routines.
> .
> liboqs is part of the Open Quantum Safe (OQS) project, which aims to develop
> and integrate into applications quantum-safe cryptography to facilitate
> deployment and testing in real world contexts. In particular, OQS provides
> prototype integrations of liboqs into TLS and SSH, through OpenSSL and
> OpenSSH.
> 
> 
> I would like to provide Quantum Safe algorithms for Debian usage and
> form a team of people that works enabling this in the project.
> 
> This package is the first step, from my point of view, to get this
> enabled in the distribution.
> 
> Thanks for watching!


Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-22 Thread Hector Oron
Hello,

El mar, 22 jul 2025 a las 11:00, Simon Josefsson
() escribió:

> It is already in Debian:
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/liboqs

This was removed from unstable, see https://bugs.debian.org/1100144

> I have an update here that could be reviewed and uploaded, I have talked to 
> Adrian and Andrius about this - maybe with all of us helping we can finish it?
> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/liboqs

Yes, that is great. I suggest we create a team and work on enabling
this feature in the distribution for the forky release.

Regards



Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-22 Thread Andrius Merkys
Hi Hector,

On Tue, 22 Jul 2025, 10:43 Hector Oron Martinez,  wrote:

> I would like to provide Quantum Safe algorithms for Debian usage and
> form a team of people that works enabling this in the project.
>
> This package is the first step, from my point of view, to get this
> enabled in the distribution.
>
> Thanks for watching!
>

FYI, liboqs is already packaged for Debian. You are welcome to join its
maintenance effort!

Best,
Andrius

>


Bug#1109697: ITP: liboqs -- library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

2025-07-22 Thread Hector Oron Martinez
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Hector Oron Martinez 
X-Debbugs-Cc: [email protected], [email protected], 
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

* Package name: liboqs
  Version : 0.14.0
  Upstream Contact: https://github.com/open-quantum-safe/liboqs/issues
* URL : https://openquantumsafe.org/
* License : Apache-2.0, BSD-3-Clause, CC0, Expat, GPL-3, public-domain
  Programming Lang: C, Assembler
  Description : library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms

liboqs is an open source C library for quantum-safe cryptographic algorithms.
It provides a collection of open source implementations of quantum-safe key
encapsulation mechanism (KEM) and digital signature algorithms; a common API
for these algorithms; a test harness and benchmarking routines.
.
liboqs is part of the Open Quantum Safe (OQS) project, which aims to develop
and integrate into applications quantum-safe cryptography to facilitate
deployment and testing in real world contexts. In particular, OQS provides
prototype integrations of liboqs into TLS and SSH, through OpenSSL and
OpenSSH.


I would like to provide Quantum Safe algorithms for Debian usage and
form a team of people that works enabling this in the project.

This package is the first step, from my point of view, to get this
enabled in the distribution.

Thanks for watching!