On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:29:40 +1000, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
>> Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been
>> giving equal rights to males and women over the past years.
> The fact that our male
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 10:41:33 +1000, Matthew Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:47:51PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, MJ Ray wrote:
>> > I hope that people won't feed the trolls and it results in debian
>> > doing something better to tackle inequali
On 2004-08-07 01:46:57 +0100 Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:29:40AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
The fact that our male / female participation ratio is much lower
than even
the gender split in IT, let alone the wider community should be
enough.
That is
On 2004-08-07 02:40:17 +0100 Moray Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While I'm not against a general 'equality' list, I don't think it
would
be a substitute for the debian-women list. I don't think it makes
sense
to lump together all underrepresented groups and assume that the
solutions to the
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 02:06:35PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> MJ Ray wrote:
> > To me, the most obvious fix is to replace debian-women with something
> > like debian-equality or debian-welcome
>
> You know, this is a pretty good idea; it's a pity that the rest of your
> message paints you as such
On 2004-08-06 21:37:46 +0100 Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Been busy, I'm moving. [...]
Is that explanation enough?
Yes. Sorry I missed that you were on vac.
It is refreshing to get a nice answer from someone involved with
debian-women. Thank you.
--
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On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:41:33AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian (as a
project) should be doing anything to tackle inequalities?
Because there's a whole pile of potential contributors out there that we're
almost certainly driving awa
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 10:29:40AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been giving
equal rights to males and women over the past years.
The fact that our male / female participati
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:47:51PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, MJ Ray wrote:
> > I hope that people won't feed the
> > trolls and it results in debian doing something better to tackle
> > inequalities.
>
> What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian (as a
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:29:40PM +0200, J?r?me Marant wrote:
> Evidence. I would like to see evidence that Debian has not been giving
> equal rights to males and women over the past years.
The fact that our male / female participation ratio is much lower than even
the gender split in IT, let alo
No need to Cc: me. I'm subscribed.
MJ Ray wrote:
> The results seem to be selectively reported. Amaya, please publish the
> full returns, like you wrote you would.
Don't worry as soon as I get some spare time I will upload all the new
submissions I have been getting, and yours will be on top of t
MJ Ray wrote:
> Of course, my views have not appeared on
> http://debian-women.opensource-knowhow.com/supporters.html - it seems
> there are only positive views there, even if some mention other skews.
Been busy, I'm moving. I have a lot opf mail to be taken care of, and my
#1 priority is the supp
On 2004-08-06 19:06:35 +0100 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:
To me, the most obvious fix is to replace debian-women with
something like
debian-equality or debian-welcome
You know, this is a pretty good idea; it's a pity that the rest of
your
message paints you as such an j
Selon Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Em Sex, 2004-08-06 às 11:35, MJ Ray escreveu:
> > > against non-icelandic speakers, it also discourages from people
> > > posting
> > > in english there.
> > As far as I am aware, anyone could learn more Icelandic if wanted. (I
> > only know my IRC nick's
On 2004-08-06 19:46:17 +0100 Daniel Ruoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It seems that you are not aware that male or female is not a sex
matter,
but a gender matter (which is very much different). We are not talking
about sex, we are talking about equal rights to males and females.
(do you really
On Sex, 2004-08-06 at 16:09, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
> You just don't care about the problem that debian-women is trying to
> deal.
I think you're being over defensive. If I understood Jaldhar H. Vyas
right, I agree with him.
What I understand is: Debian (as a Project, in it's Social Contract or
Polic
On Sex, 2004-08-06 at 09:09, MJ Ray wrote:
> To me, the most obvious fix is to replace debian-women with something
> like debian-equality or debian-welcome, to try to get people active
> against discrimination rather than actively promoting blatent sexism.
I'm don't know how much the Debian gir
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, MJ Ray wrote:
>
> This point was also made to me off-list. I don't have a good answer
> for it. However, some active people clearly want to work on this, so
> how do we make the best of it for debian? Clearly, "ignore it" can't
> be done now it is on lists.debian.org, IMO.
>
I
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
> This affirmation explain everything...
>
> You just don't care about the problem that debian-women is trying to
> deal.
>
Judging by where this seems to be going I probably don't--but forget that,
I'm still not clear on what exactly the problem is. You k
On 2004-08-06 18:47:51 +0100 Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian (as a
project) should be doing anything to tackle inequalities?
This point was also made to me off-list. I don't have a good answer
for it. However, some act
Em Sex, 2004-08-06 às 15:58, Jaldhar H. Vyas escreveu:
> So we won't get viruses, have to pay lots of money or have to put up with
> unfixable bugs
>
> I think you're being rather presumptious about why "we" work with free
> software.
This affirmation explain everything...
You just don't ca
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Daniel Ruoso wrote:
> Em Sex, 2004-08-06 às 14:47, Jaldhar H. Vyas escreveu:
> > What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian (as a
> > project) should be doing anything to tackle inequalities?
>
> For the same reason we work with free software.
>
So we won't
Em Sex, 2004-08-06 às 14:47, Jaldhar H. Vyas escreveu:
> What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian (as a
> project) should be doing anything to tackle inequalities?
For the same reason we work with free software.
> As far as I can
> tell my microwave oven was made exclusively
Em Sex, 2004-08-06 às 11:35, MJ Ray escreveu:
> > against non-icelandic speakers, it also discourages from people
> > posting
> > in english there.
> As far as I am aware, anyone could learn more Icelandic if wanted. (I
> only know my IRC nick's meaning in Icelandic.) Even if a man wanted to
> b
MJ Ray wrote:
> To me, the most obvious fix is to replace debian-women with something
> like debian-equality or debian-welcome
You know, this is a pretty good idea; it's a pity that the rest of your
message paints you as such an jerk that it will be ignored.
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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, MJ Ray wrote:
> I hope that people won't feed the
> trolls and it results in debian doing something better to tackle
> inequalities.
>
What is left unexamined in all these discussions is why Debian (as a
project) should be doing anything to tackle inequalities? As far as I ca
On 2004-08-06 13:44:51 +0100 Pascal Hakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...] Not only does it discriminates
against non-icelandic speakers, it also discourages from people
posting
in english there.
As far as I am aware, anyone could learn more Icelandic if wanted. (I
only know my IRC nick's m
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:09:23PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> There are 3 questions in this email and a lot of explanation.
>
> When almost all of a population is divided into two classes,
> "postitive discrimination" in favour of one class is usually
> indistinguishable from "negative discriminatio
On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 01:09:23PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> I hope that people won't feed the trolls
I hope so, too.
End of Discussion.
Michael
There are 3 questions in this email and a lot of explanation.
When almost all of a population is divided into two classes,
"postitive discrimination" in favour of one class is usually
indistinguishable from "negative discrimination" against the other. A
discriminatory list has been created on
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