Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2005-01-26 Thread Josh Triplett
MJ Ray wrote: > Mark Brown > > For what it's worth I'd noticed that the summaries had > vanished - > Francesco Poli > So did I. > > Thanks for that and the comments off-list. What would the period > summaries have done to help you with the Eclipse thread? Or did you > mean the long licence summari

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Adeodato Simó [Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:10:39 +0100]: > So I have a question: what is the _practical_ result of License LB in > (b) above, that D can't use A's LB-licensed programs any more, unless ^ uhm, that's probably wrong, then? (After

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Josh Triplett
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:27:44PM -0700, OSS wrote: >>Steve, >>If I follow you correctly >> A - writes program #49 and licenced under >>GPL-compliant-patent-defending-licence >> B - distributed program #49 to C-D (may or may not have made >>enhancement/change) >> C

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Adeodato Simó
[I'm trying to follow the discussion in hopes of better understanding the issue in order to form an opinion about it. Please excuse me if I need big amounts of cluebat with this...] * OSS [Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:27:44 -0700]: > Steve Langasek wrote: > >Matthew Garrett's subsequent message pinpoints

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 01:26:27AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > I don't think that Josh has said that -- especially given that you do not > > have to have a copyright license to *use* a program. [...] > That "given" was only clarified in English law fairly recently, added by >

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2005-01-26 Thread MJ Ray
Mark Brown > > For what it's worth I'd noticed that the summaries had vanished - Francesco Poli > So did I. Thanks for that and the comments off-list. What would the period summaries have done to help you with the Eclipse thread? Or did you mean the long licence summaries? What would they have don

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread MJ Ray
I'm sorry that Nick feels misunderstood. The point I was trying to make was that the proposition as written was far too broad and agreeing with it probably means agreeing with popular bogeymen like the "pet a cat" licence. Nick wrote: > So the question I was trying to ask was "do we believe that t

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Langasek wrote: > I don't think that Josh has said that -- especially given that you do not > have to have a copyright license to *use* a program. [...] That "given" was only clarified in English law fairly recently, added by implementing some EU directive in the 1990s IIRC. In general, it

Re: documentation x executable code

2005-01-26 Thread Craig Sanders
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 02:45:29AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > "craig" wrote: > > > >(b) This prevents the documents from being adapted for another > > > >purpose (suchas documenting ways of funding free software). > > regardless of how admirable a trait this is, it is not a requirement of the > > DFSG,

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2005-01-26 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:32:44 + Mark Brown wrote: > > I stopped making the periodic summaries and no-one has complained > > yet. I'm not used to complain if a volunteer seems to not have enough time to get a job done... (unless he/she has promised to do so, but this is not the case now IIRC).

Bug#292330: project: UTF-8 as default

2005-01-26 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 02:53:52PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > >> > By this, I'm not talking about enforcing this character code on the >> > whole Debian system, but see to that: 1) Installing systems with

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:27:44PM -0700, OSS wrote: > Steve, > If I follow you correctly >A - writes program #49 and licenced under > GPL-compliant-patent-defending-licence >B - distributed program #49 to C-D (may or may not have made > enhancement/change) >C - determines their pa

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread OSS
Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 11:41:31PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:34PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Lost attribution, Josh I think Requiring that distributors of a piece of software refrain from making accusations of patent infringement re

Bug#292330: project: UTF-8 as default

2005-01-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 02:53:52PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > > By this, I'm not talking about enforcing this character code on the > > whole Debian system, but see to that: 1) Installing systems with > > UTF-8 is easier, also with locales not strictly in need of > > this. UTF-8 as default is not

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 11:41:31PM +1300, Nick Phillips wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:34PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Requiring that distributors of a piece of software refrain from making > > > accusations of patent infringement regarding the software itself is > > > consistent w

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Bug#292330: project: UTF-8 as default

2005-01-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26-01-2005 15:53, Roger Leigh wrote: >>>2) See to that all Debian packages handles UTF-8 properly. > > > This is a policy issue. Not all packages need to handle it, so this > should be a reccommendation rather than a requirement. For example, >

Bug#292330: project: UTF-8 as default

2005-01-26 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Harald Thingelstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Most basic problems with use of UTF-8 (both in languages and > standard libraries) should have been fixed now, and as I see it, > it's time to head for easier integration of UTF-8, system-wide. Agreed.

Is the Pain Unbearable?

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Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 11:49:32AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > However, many software licenses choose to go further than that, "few" > > requiring that distributors refrain entirely from engaging in patent > > lawsuits against a

Bug#292330: project: UTF-8 as default

2005-01-26 Thread Harald Thingelstad
Package: project Severity: wishlist Tags: l10n Most basic problems with use of UTF-8 (both in languages and standard libraries) should have been fixed now, and as I see it, it's time to head for easier integration of UTF-8, system-wide. By this, I'm not talking about enforcing this character cod

Re: handling Mozilla with kid gloves [was: GUADEC report]

2005-01-26 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 03:29:35AM +, MJ Ray wrote: > I stopped making the periodic summaries and no-one has complained yet. > I don't think that communicating what -legal is discussing is very > interesting to most debian people. I am keeping notes for my own sake at For what it's worth I'd

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
Josh Triplett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, many software licenses choose to go further than that, > requiring that distributors refrain entirely from engaging in patent > lawsuits against any authors of the software, regardless of whether > those lawsuits are related to the software or no

Re: Taking a position on anti-patent licenses (was ' Re: Bug#289856: mdnsresponder: Wrong license')

2005-01-26 Thread Nick Phillips
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:17:34PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Requiring that distributors of a piece of software refrain from making > > accusations of patent infringement regarding the software itself is > > consistent with the goal of upholding the freedoms of users over that > > software.

Re: Answer not found - Sarge upgrade policy

2005-01-26 Thread Jean Christophe André
Selon Cristi Savu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have a very simple question I'd like to ask, and I'm sorry to bother > you for this: Does the Sarge ISO package get updated on a regular basis > (let's say, monthly or something) ? The DVD & CD iso images are updated weekly actualy: http://www.debian.or

Re: Answer not found - Sarge upgrade policy

2005-01-26 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, please read the following pages, sarge=testing and sarge will become stable, when it's ready... and unstable will always be called sid. http://www.debian.org/releases/ http://www.debian.org/devel/testing regards, Holger pgpAoclZFb7ju.pgp Description: PGP signature

Answer not found - Sarge upgrade policy

2005-01-26 Thread Cristi Savu
Dear gentlemen   I have a very simple question I'd like to ask, and I'm sorry to bother you for this: Does the Sarge ISO package get updated on a regular basis (let's say, monthly or something) ?   I'm asking this because I want to know whether is there any point to download (again) this dist