On Sun, Feb 20, 2005 at 04:52:41PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Joel Aelwyn wrote:
> >On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 08:08:55PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> >>What's sad is that even as Martin Krafft seems to be sincere in wanting
> >>to apologise and get on with things (in private mail anyway), the to
Joel Aelwyn wrote:
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 08:08:55PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
What's sad is that even as Martin Krafft seems to be sincere in wanting
to apologise and get on with things (in private mail anyway), the torch
is just taken up by Thomas and Joel and MJ Ray anyway and the
accusati
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 08:08:55PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Anthony Towns wrote:
> >an attack on a subgroup you have a grudge against.
>
> Bah, that was uncalled for. I've no reason to think Thomas is holding
> any grudges.
>
> What's sad is that even as Martin Krafft seems to be sincere in
hi Helen, *,
On 2005-02-19, Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> Last year, the DPL asked me to look into writing descriptions of what
>> various teams in Debian were responsible for, and what their day to day
>> activity involved. I performed some interviews at th
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Last year, the DPL asked me to look into writing descriptions of what
various teams in Debian were responsible for, and what their day to day
activity involved. I performed some interviews at the time, and then
promptly failed to get around to writing them up. The current dis
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [050219 16:55]:
> MJ Ray wrote:
> >DDs want know about ftpmasters, but ftpmasters don't send
> >much to debian-devel-announce: it seems like mostly after stuff
> >breaks. DDs don't know how to make them want to do anything,
> >so that leaves three obvious op
Last year, the DPL asked me to look into writing descriptions of what
various teams in Debian were responsible for, and what their day to day
activity involved. I performed some interviews at the time, and then
promptly failed to get around to writing them up. The current discussion
has prompted me
also sprach Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.19.1751 +0100]:
> > I am not in the position to complain at this stage in the game,
> > but I think it would have been nice for you to quickly announce
> > the location of continuation of this discussion here...
>
> It's the APT development li
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 05:50:18PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> I am not in the position to complain at this stage in the game, but
> I think it would have been nice for you to quickly announce the
> location of continuation of this discussion here...
It's the APT development list, so it's what
also sprach Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.19.1733 +0100]:
> There's already a discussion on the deity mailing list.
I am not in the position to complain at this stage in the game, but
I think it would have been nice for you to quickly announce the
location of continuation of this dis
* martin f. krafft:
> Florian: what's the status? Can we get started?
There's already a discussion on the deity mailing list. At this
stage, we have to identify potential showstoppers, then we can decide
on which things we should work first.
It's certainly necessary to check if APT frontends st
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the root problem is "how do ftpmasters work?" and it's
> one that the current DPL included in his last election platform.
> Now we're starting another election round and nothing seems
> to have changed for ftpmasters. Have ftpmasters discussed
> this wit
aj wrote:
> You know, I would've thought "ask nicely" would've appeared on that list
> somewhere. Apparently not.
Would that work? It's not my experience that emailing ftpmasters
gets any reaction. Talking to other DDs suggests that's not
unusual and that's why I didn't think of "ask nicely". Can
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:50:10 +0100, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Thomas Hood wrote:
>> So you are denying that ftpmasters have responsibilities beyond refraining
>> from working against the rest of the project? It seems you are.
>
> Yes. Just like every other member of the project.
> It says so right t
martin f krafft wrote:
All we want is information, AJ.
If it is okay with you, I propose an experiment. Over the next days
(or weeks... after all you surely have your priorities), I ask you
to prepare a little announcement or document which states the
following:
And you know, all you're achieving b
also sprach Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.19.1411 +0100]:
> _Nobody_ prevents you to create your own mailinglist and discuss
> things there. Feel free to do it. However, don't expect that
> anybody is forced to subscribe there.
I did, and I never forced anyone to subscribe, did I. As
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> aj wrote:
>> If you want other people to do things for you in Debian, you need them
>> to want to do it, you can't just go around trying to make life
>> unpleasant for them if they don't.
>
> OK. What would make ftpmasters want to tell the rest of the
> project
[taking personal stuff off-list]
also sprach Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.19.1344 +0100]:
> And, please accept it from me: I am _really_ disappointed.
> I brought the issues open with apt 0.6 up in public in hope to get
> to a solution, but you managed to convert it into a flamewar
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050217 14:05]:
> also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.17.1307 +0100]:
> > Can you possibly conceive there might perhaps be some other
> > explanation for why I'm not writing tediously long emails or
> > involved in heated debates about what changes to the archi
also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.19.1108 +0100]:
> What's sad is that even as Martin Krafft seems to be sincere in
> wanting to apologise and get on with things (in private mail
> anyway), the torch is just taken up by Thomas and Joel and MJ Ray
> anyway and the accusations of working against th
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050217 11:35]:
> also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.17.0252 +0100]:
> > That, eg, you can't manage to think about apt 0.6 without wanting
> > to move the topic to ftpmaster bashing just confirms that
> > assumption.
> I was trying to move forward in the way
* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050216 16:30]:
> also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.16.1541 +0100]:
> > Yes. If we weren't we might wake up one day and mistakenly think
> > it might be possible to have discussions on Debian lists that
> > didn't involve gratuitous insults.
> I described th
MJ Ray wrote:
DDs want know about ftpmasters, but ftpmasters don't send
much to debian-devel-announce: it seems like mostly after stuff
breaks. DDs don't know how to make them want to do anything,
so that leaves three obvious options:
1. use democractic processes to fix this;
2. make their lives
Anthony Towns wrote:
an attack on a subgroup you have a grudge against.
Bah, that was uncalled for. I've no reason to think Thomas is holding
any grudges.
What's sad is that even as Martin Krafft seems to be sincere in wanting
to apologise and get on with things (in private mail anyway), the tor
Thomas Hood wrote:
So you are denying that ftpmasters have responsibilities beyond refraining
from working against the rest of the project? It seems you are.
Yes. Just like every other member of the project.
It says so right there in the constitution, very first point. It's sad
that you seem to w
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