Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Russ Allbery
martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't think any discussion comparing Debian to Ubuntu is off-topic > for Debian. Ubuntu is not just another distro. It just so happens > that a lot of Debian folks try to ignore Ubuntu's existence, or > start behaving weirdly when the focus turns to

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread David Nusinow
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 01:17:23PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > I don't think any discussion comparing Debian to Ubuntu is off-topic > for Debian. Ubuntu is not just another distro. It just so happens > that a lot of Debian folks try to ignore Ubuntu's existence, or > start behaving weirdly when

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Josh Rehman
On 12/10/05, Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, Hi Azeem, > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 02:49:35AM -0800, Josh Rehman wrote: > > My apologies for sending this message here, but I wasn't sure where to > > complain. I've been an off-and-on debian user over the years. Lately > > I've used

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Joey Hess
martin f krafft wrote: > A user coming to #debian wondering why Ubuntu would get so much > publicity and inquiring about the differences mainly shows that > people have not forgotten that Ubuntu is Debian, and not the other > way around. I think it is better for "plain users" to go with > Ubuntu, w

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Jochen Voss
Hello, On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 02:45:23PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > Why should a Debian-Ubuntu comparison be any more on-topic on > #ubuntu than it is on #debian? This becomes clear from the log. An excerpt: [01:10] kevix: peigen, sushi= pig? [01:10] peigen: kevix, no [01:10] peigen: kevix

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Michael Spang
Michael Banck wrote: If josh got banned for his conduct, maybe deadcat should also get banned? Well, maybe, yeah. I am not a channel operator, though. Also note that deadcat is AFAIK at least a semi-regular, i.e. he spends a considerable amount of time in #debian and might be helpful at

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Jon Dowland
One thing that is obvious from reading that transcript is that you are not familiar with IRC. #debian is a very high-traffic channel and as such, it has to be tightly monitored for on-topic discussion, lest the off-topic stuff drown out cries for help. Not only did you get some helpful answers to

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 01:17:23PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > I don't think any discussion comparing Debian to Ubuntu is off-topic > for Debian. Right, but that doesn't say it is on-topic for #debian (or did you mean that?) > A user coming to #debian wondering why Ubuntu would get so much >

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.12.10.1358 +0100]: > So they can go join #ubuntu. Honestly, not that hard. Type it > with me now: > > /join #ubuntu Why should a Debian-Ubuntu comparison be any more on-topic on #ubuntu than it is on #debian? -- Please do not send copies of l

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Michael Banck wrote: > Don't know whether you send the guy a private message, but perhaps a > public message like "foo: You have been silenced for 10 minutes due > to repeated off-topicness, despite warnings" or so would be alright, > so they know it is not permanent and everyb

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Saturday 10 December 2005 04:17 am, martin f krafft wrote: > I think it would support Debian greatly if people would actually > understand what Ubuntu is all about, and how it differs from Debian. > After all, Ubuntu is not just another distribution. So they can go join #ubuntu. Honestly, not

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 03:00:02AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Michael Banck wrote: > > Looking at the log, your question was being addressed for 10 minutes > > before you were silenced (definetely more than "a word or two"), and > > dondelecaro gave you useful input as well.

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Saturday 10 December 2005 02:49 am, Josh Rehman wrote: > and the mention of 'On-line Real Time Help Using IRC'. Unfortunately > this did not work out as planned. I was almost immediately banned for > even mentioning Ubuntu. This when I had found someone with real-life > deb and ubu experience (

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Michael Banck wrote: > Looking at the log, your question was being addressed for 10 minutes > before you were silenced (definetely more than "a word or two"), and > dondelecaro gave you useful input as well. When the discussion > seemed to drift away, you were advised to take i

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, martin f krafft wrote: > I think it would support Debian greatly if people would actually > understand what Ubuntu is all about, and how it differs from Debian. > After all, Ubuntu is not just another distribution. I'd be more than happy to point people who have this sort of q

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.12.10.1251 +0100]: > Looking at the log, your question was being addressed for 10 minutes > before you were silenced (definetely more than "a word or two"), and > dondelecaro gave you useful input as well. When the discussion seemed > to drift aw

Re: Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 02:49:35AM -0800, Josh Rehman wrote: > My apologies for sending this message here, but I wasn't sure where to > complain. I've been an off-and-on debian user over the years. Lately > I've used RedHat at work. I was thinking of trying Debian again, and > heard about Ubun

Complaint about #debian operator

2005-12-10 Thread Josh Rehman
Hi, My apologies for sending this message here, but I wasn't sure where to complain. I've been an off-and-on debian user over the years. Lately I've used RedHat at work. I was thinking of trying Debian again, and heard about Ubuntu. I could find very little on the web compairing Ubuntu with Debian