Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread MJ Ray
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One might think private messages are useful in user support, but > #debian actually has a channel policy asking users not to send them > without permission. [...] So, one might think the current #debian is not actually as useful in user support as it could be?

Re: Debian and professional certifications

2006-05-02 Thread MJ Ray
Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An=EDbal Monsalve Salazar dijo [Tue, May 02, 2006 at 04:40:49PM +1000]: > > So, the NM process could then be renamed "Debian Professional > > Certification". > > If you wish to certify somebody as willing to join endless flamewars, > to idle around in IRC and devo

Re: Google summer of code

2006-05-02 Thread Christian Perrier
(keeping CC for the moment. I suggest to keep -project CC'ed as long as the topic is still close to Google Summer of Code) Quoting Martin Michlmayr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > * Gasper Zejn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-02 22:36]: > > I intend to apply for Google's summer of code for Debian's I18N > > i

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 01:50:41AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >I'm talking about well after the OFTC formation. If there are that many > >people dissatisfied with freenode, it seems likely that there are > How many? Let's add some data to the thread: i would be inte

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Clint Adams
> I wonder, do you and the other "me too" people also have a reason to > justify switching? How about "Rob Levin is still alive"? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I'm talking about well after the OFTC formation. If there are that many >people dissatisfied with freenode, it seems likely that there are How many? Let's add some data to the thread: http://irc.netsplit.de/cgi-bin/ncompare.cgi?n1=freenode&n2=OFTC The multi-year graphs

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:19, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:52:33PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:40, Cord Beermann wrote: > > > >Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is > > > > these days than IRC. > > > > > > Jabber does

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I'm in favour as well. I wonder, do you and the other "me too" people also have a reason to justify switching? -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Jeff McAdams
I don't have a dog in this hunt, but some of the characterizations here were a bit off so I thought I should point out some misconceptions. Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:52:33PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: >> Jabber prevents this by providing a real presence system. > IRC has

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >The problem is that the high amount of disconnection one gets from freenode >makes this a pain, especially as it is not clear for clients like irssi when Do you? This is unusual, I have clients connected to freenode for many weeks at a time. Maybe we should discuss this o

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I'm thinking that what he's *really* saying is "there're so many people >whom I can't talk to this way that it's almost impossible". Which is hard to believe since he is a registered user who configured his account to receive messages from unregistered users and so is not

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 15:52 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > By design, IRC encourages people to do truly obnoxious things, like > spamming > the channel to announce they're going away, or indicating their status > with > nicknames (which also spams the channel). If *users* announce they're away, i

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:52:33PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:40, Cord Beermann wrote: > > >Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is these > > > days than IRC. > > > > Jabber doesn't have any useable non-graphic Clients. > > So write one or gr

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Michael Poole
Paul Johnson writes: > By design, IRC encourages people to do truly obnoxious things, like spamming > the channel to announce they're going away, or indicating their status with > nicknames (which also spams the channel). You also get spammed on IRC > whenever someone joins or leaves a channel

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:40, Cord Beermann wrote: > >Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is these > > days than IRC. > > Jabber doesn't have any useable non-graphic Clients. So write one or grab one of the existing ones and make it not suck. > for the usual one > to

Google summer of code

2006-05-02 Thread Zejn Gasper
Hello! I intend to apply for Google's summer of code for Debian's I18N infrastructure plan. Is there somebody I should discuss this with or should I just submit the application? Kind regards, Gašper Žejn

Re: Google summer of code

2006-05-02 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Gasper Zejn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-02 22:36]: > I intend to apply for Google's summer of code for Debian's I18N > infrastructure plan. Is there somebody I should discuss this with or > should I just submit the application? Reviewing the discussions that happened on the debian-i18n list rec

Google summer of code

2006-05-02 Thread Gasper Zejn
Hello! I intend to apply for Google's summer of code for Debian's I18N infrastructure plan. Is there somebody I should discuss this with or should I just submit the application? Kind regards, Ga?per ?ejn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Co

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060501 23:12]: > On 10641 March 1977, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > > > - network stability: oftc annoys with many netsplits lately. This might > > be temporary, but in the last month it was extreme. > > No, some were there, but not more than in Feenode. Well,

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 02:24:52PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >I get and send a lot of /msg in my debian releated work. for me this is > To users who have not been long enough on the network to register? The problem is that the high amount of disconnection one gets

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Margarita Manterola
On 4/30/06, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thoughts? I'm in favour as well. -- Besos, Marga

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 2 May 2006, Manoj Srivastava spake thusly: > I was pretty neutral about whether we should pull > irc.debian.org away from freenode, but a recent incident makes me > wonder how developer friendly freenode is anymore. Apparently, the incident of k-lining me was an errant and buggy scri

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 06:34:24PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> >I get and send a lot of /msg in my debian releated work. for me this is > >> To users who have not been long enough on the network to register? > >no, not to those and not to those others that feel tha

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >I get and send a lot of /msg in my debian releated work. for me this is >> To users who have not been long enough on the network to register? >no, not to those and not to those others that feel that they are made to >jump through hoops and neither to those who left alr

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Joey Hess
Peter Samuelson wrote: > And as for Debian development, I receive even fewer private messages > related to that. Do the rest of you? What aspects of Debian > development warrant private conversations? I would think most things > would be appropriate to discuss either in public or in small, focus

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Cord Beermann
Hallo! Du (Paul Johnson) hast geschrieben: >On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:34, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I've heard it suggested by a variety of people that we should move the >> official irc.debian.org alias away from freenode to oftc. I can see >> that more and more of my own Debian IRC discussions a

DebConf6 Video Streaming "Mirrors" wanted

2006-05-02 Thread Joerg Jaspert
[This is a mail to multiple lists, please only reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED], thanks. (Headers should be set for it).] Dear Mirror-Admin, we are looking for servers around the world for the streaming video service of this years DebConf6 in Mexico, where we will (try to) provide live streaming of the

Re: advertising with http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-portuguese/2004/05/msg00047.html

2006-05-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 01 May 2006, stanley jenkins wrote: > I am looking to advertise with debian.org PLEASE > FORWARD THIS ON TO THE appropriate person. I am > looking to have a banner ad or some type of > advertisment on your site at the following page: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-portuguese/2004/05

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 02:24:52PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >I get and send a lot of /msg in my debian releated work. for me this is > To users who have not been long enough on the network to register? no, not to those and not to those others that feel that they a

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 12:36, Jon Dowland wrote: > At 1146403978 past the epoch, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is > > these days than IRC. > > Really? I'd love to see some figures. can't find much hard numbers, let along comparisons betwee

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I get and send a lot of /msg in my debian releated work. for me this is To users who have not been long enough on the network to register? -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian and professional certifications

2006-05-02 Thread Ottavio Caruso
--- MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ottavio Caruso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Well, that's a bit offensive. Well, my webmail does not allow customised headers apart from reply-to. If you can suggest me a better alternative, I'm all ears. Thank you for your contri

Re: Debian and professional certifications

2006-05-02 Thread Ottavio Caruso
--- Aníbal Monsalve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, the NM process could then be renamed "Debian > Professional > Certification". I'm sorrythe my post has been inserted into the wrong thread. Some wrong headers on my webmail, perhaps. And I'm soory I've been interted into the 'bounc

Re: summer of code: what's next?

2006-05-02 Thread Andreas Barth
* Petter Reinholdtsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060502 13:30]: > > [Baruch Even] > > Mentors should comment and grade proposals on > > http://code.google.com/soc/debian/open.html > > Right. I guess I should have a look then. Just got 'Invalid user' > when I had a peek now. You need to be approved b

Re: summer of code: what's next?

2006-05-02 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Baruch Even] > Mentors should comment and grade proposals on > http://code.google.com/soc/debian/open.html Right. I guess I should have a look then. Just got 'Invalid user' when I had a peek now. I've already been contacted by a person interested in working on one of my proposed projects, and

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >One might think private messages are useful in user support, but >#debian actually has a channel policy asking users not to send them >without permission. As a result, I don't get many private messages >from #debian users. ACK. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Jon Dowland
At 1146403978 past the epoch, Paul Johnson wrote: > Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is > these days than IRC. Really? I'd love to see some figures. -- Jon Dowland http://alcopop.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe"

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 12:16:14PM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote: >On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 04:47:22AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: >> [Wouter Verhelst] >> > Only if they're lucky enough to try to ask someone who has >> > NOIDPRIVMSG disabled. >> >> And as for Debian development, I receive even fe

Re: summer of code: what's next?

2006-05-02 Thread Baruch Even
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 05:37:21PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > >>As has been mentioned on the -project and -private lists, Debian has >>joined the Google Summer of Code programme, and project ideas are being >>collected on the wiki [1]. Our participation is being admi

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Andreas Schuldei
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 04:47:22AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > [Wouter Verhelst] > > Only if they're lucky enough to try to ask someone who has > > NOIDPRIVMSG disabled. > > And as for Debian development, I receive even fewer private messages > related to that. Do the rest of you? What aspec

Re: Debian and professional certifications

2006-05-02 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 11:57:24PM -0300, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > Em Dom, 2006-04-30 às 13:37 -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) > escreveu: > > > Debian is a volunteer project and has neither the inclination or > > > capability to run professional certifications, and is not involved or

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Peter Samuelson
> On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:24:15AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > If you want to receive their privated messages then *you* can > > disable NOIDPRIVMSG and they will not even know about it. [Wouter Verhelst] > Only if they're lucky enough to try to ask someone who has > NOIDPRIVMSG disabled. W

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >After some discussion earlier in the day about music players, > ipods, and free software one can flash on ipods, I decided to clean > up my variant of the Green5 rockbox theme and presented screenshots > on [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >The images are still at > h

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2006-05-02 kello 10:48 +0200, Marco d'Itri kirjoitti: > Hardly documented? It's clearly explained in the FAQ page on the web > site, and a link to this is in the message received by blocked users. > It does not appear to be hidden to me. Do you have any suggestions to > improve this? How does

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> I agree with Steve. While I agree that freenode has many flaws (the >> >>> biggest being NOIDPRIVMSG), I find that while I am in Debian channels on >> >> Exactly, why is an optional feature such a big flaw? >> >Because it's the default and practically no one changes

Re: Debian and professional certifications

2006-05-02 Thread MJ Ray
"Matthew R. Dempsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yeah, using stupid, obviously bogus addresses is only acceptable in the > Mail-Followup-To field: If your mail client acts on random non-standard headers, it's buggy. -- MJR/slef Laux nur mia opinio: vidu http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Bv sekvu http://w