Re: buildd/porter/maintainer roles again

2010-07-27 Thread Clint Adams
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:27:43AM -0400, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > - It's only useful to talk to a porter if the bug clearly is a porting > issue, rather than a bug in the package. This isn't always easy to > make out from the build log. What would you think if you saw this happening only on a

Re: buildd/porter/maintainer roles again

2010-07-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Peter Samuelson writes: > There is a perception, which may or may not be grounded in reality, that > _most_ FTBFS from the Debian buildds are either toolchain, kernel, or > libc issues. It is certainly my perception. This has not been my experience. I'm sure it depends on the types of packages

Re: buildd/porter/maintainer roles again

2010-07-27 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Wouter Verhelst] > Please remember that every time a package fails to function correctly > on a particular architecture, barring toolchain bugs, this is a bug > in that package itself. "Barring toolchain bugs" is a pretty big caveat. Just as big as "barring kernel and libc issues", some other r

Re: buildd/porter/maintainer roles again

2010-07-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > So that would mean they'd almost always need to be assigned to both > the pseudopackage and the original package, which I frankly find to > be a bit of a hassle. That's why affects exists. > Additionally, tags have the interesting feature that you ca

Re: buildd/porter/maintainer roles again

2010-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:42:14AM -0400, Don Armstrong wrote: > I'm imagining that buildd admins would then just file an FTBFS against > the package, the maintainer would see it, and say "I don't know why > this is failing; looks to be arch-specific", reassign or affects the > bug to the arch spec

Re: buildd/porter/maintainer roles again

2010-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 02:27:42PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Hector Oron wrote: > > 2010/7/13, Russ Allbery : > > > But if those steps fail and it gets to the point where I'm actively asking > > > for help, my customary experience has been to never get any reply. Mail > >

Re: buildd/porter/maintainer roles again

2010-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 05:22:12PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Clint Adams] > > Shouldn't it be the responsibility of the buildd admin (if, for some > > reason, the buildd admin is not a porter) to notify an > > architecture's porters of any porting issues manifesting themselves > > in

Re: buildd/porter/maintainer roles again

2010-07-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I can mail to the debian-powerpc mailinglist of course, but that > seems to be mostly a powerpc user support list these days. Since coordinating porters and keeping them coordinated seems to be a problem, and pseudopackages with affects and/or reassign

Re: buildd/porter/maintainer roles again

2010-07-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 06:05:45PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > Shouldn't it be the responsibility of the buildd admin > (if, for some reason, the buildd admin is not a porter) > to notify an architecture's porters of any porting issues > manifesting themselves in a package build? As a powerpc buil