Re: Release team meeting in Vancouver, CA (4-6 Mar 2005)

2005-03-04 Thread Jonathan Walther
able to present our Stunning New Release Strategy to the rest of the project. -- It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand it until it makes you weep. Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada)

Re: Debian t-shirts not kosher!

2004-08-11 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 11:17:17AM +0300, Tapio Lehtonen wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2004 at 06:19:41PM -0700, Jonathan Walther wrote: Both of my Debian t-shirts, the original one with the GNU and the Penguin, and the later one with the Aladdins Lamp logo, had to be thrown out. They are both Fruit

Debian t-shirts not kosher!

2004-08-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
er and not being able to wear the t-shirt. Who is in charge of Debian t-shirts which we sell at various expositions, fairs, and events? Jonathan -- Patriarchy, Polygamy, Slavery <=> Fatherhood, Husbandry, Mastery Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine. Sola Scriptura! Eukleia: Jonathan

Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

2004-08-07 Thread Jonathan Walther
lity are giving you a headache. The headache could go away quite easily; just open your eyes and reexamine your commitment to hundred year old ideologies. Jonathan -- Patriarchy, Polygamy, Slavery <=> Fatherhood, Husbandry, Mastery Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine. Sola Scriptur

Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

2004-08-07 Thread Jonathan Walther
general Debian-Welcome project? Jonathan -- Patriarchy, Polygamy, Slavery <=> Fatherhood, Husbandry, Mastery Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine. Sola Scriptura! Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-582-9308 (between 8am and 9pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

2004-08-07 Thread Jonathan Walther
e. Sola Scriptura! Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-582-9308 (between 8am and 9pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

2004-08-06 Thread Jonathan Walther
t good logic based on real facts to make any dint in your attempts to remake Debian in the mould of your ideology du jour. Jonathan -- Patriarchy, Polygamy, Slavery <=> Fatherhood, Husbandry, Mastery Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine. Sola Scriptura! Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Ad

Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

2004-08-06 Thread Jonathan Walther
erhood, Husbandry, Mastery Puritan: Purity of faith, Purity of doctrine. Sola Scriptura! Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 12706 99 Ave, Surrey, BC V3V2P8 (Canada) Contact: 604-582-9308 (between 8am and 9pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Mailing list behaviour was: Candidate questions/musings

2004-03-25 Thread Jonathan Walther
We just need to be civil. I prefer my fellow Debian brothers to develop rhinocerous hides. :-) -- Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 13685 Hilton Road, Surrey, BC V3R5J8 (Canada) Contact: 604-951-4142 (between 7am and 10pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-22 Thread Jonathan Walther
contrary: the strong know their own strength and don't need to flex their muscles all the time. I don't appreciate the way you are always "flexing your muscles" and accusing your fellow DDs of being sexist. Maybe try showing some respect for people other than yourself. J

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-21 Thread Jonathan Walther
n that my pet dog is not allowed to vote in the US presidential elections. Down with discrimination! Jonathan -- Eukleia: Jonathan Walther Address: 13685 Hilton Road, Surrey, BC V3R5J8 (Canada) Contact: 604-951-4142 (between 7am and 10pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-20 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 01:12:26AM +0100, Benj. Mako Hill wrote: IIRC, the point Susan brought up at Debconf2 after the numerous "so easy your grandmother can use it" references was, "why always the "grand*mother*?" Fact is, these little references paint the person as stupid, or unskilled, or som

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-11 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:58:55PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 02:11:06PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: To say that is to fly in the face of our entire legal infrastructure. Qui tacet consentit means "Silence gives consent" or some such. He was "silent&

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-11 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:09:27AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Jonathan Walther wrote: On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:37:47AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: EOT. *plonk* I guess that means you concede my point. Thanks for reading. *ROTLF* No, it means that _you_ concede the point

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-11 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:37:47AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: EOT. *plonk* I guess that means you concede my point. Thanks for reading. Jonathan -- Address: 13685 Hilton Road, Surrey, BC V3R5J8 (Canada) Contact: 604-951-4142 (between 7am and 10pm, PST) Website: http://reactor-core.org s

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:26:54AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: I don't see the point of your ongoing uterine fixation in this discussion. It doesn't seem to support your argument. "Women bear children, and men do not, and therefore I am paying them a favour in treating them as intellectually an

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:38:31AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: To the contrary, it is equalitarians that treat people inhumanely; expecting too much of some, and denigrating the abilities of others. Do you expect a man to bear

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:37:54AM +, Peter Samuelson wrote: Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less expectation than they do their fellow men. A gentleman, for instance, would not think to lift a fellow man over a rain puddle, but would instantly offer such assistance to

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:06:32PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:05:54PM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: Gentlemen treat women with greater gentleness and with less expectation than they do their fellow men. A gentleman, for instance, would not think to lift a fellow

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:04:58AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: People cannot usefully participate in a debate unless they grow a skin, or while they are emotionally attached to an argument. True, assuming ... Providing crutches for them will only make things worse. ... that it's an argum

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-10 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:19:02AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote: 1. Don't pander to us just because we're women. Why not? There are standards of civility, and those standards include acting like a gentleman. ... towards *everybody*, not just towards women. Which is exactly her point. Gen

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-09 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:10:28PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Certainly, the kind of harrassment documented here: http://www.p12n.org/misc/sexism/ is not something that I would consider acceptable I am glad you posted those logs. Now I see I was right, this whole thing is blown way out of

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-09 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:14:08AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote: Perhaps they were not developers but the channel is a Debian resource. Most people do not meet the developers before they consider becoming one, or, in fact, when they first begin using Debian. It's an off-putting environment, and not j

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-09 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 10:44:24AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 01:46:13AM -0800, Jonathan Walther wrote: On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: >Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -05

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-09 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote: 2. Don't flirt with us just because we're women. Impossible. More than 90% of the worlds men use tha

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-09 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:19:29AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote: The topic being discussed was the lack of women in Debian and I felt it proper to provide some anecdotal evidence for the treatment some of us have received. I don't believe the treatment you receive in channel #debian is representati

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-08 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 10:26:23AM -0500, Lukas Geyer wrote: Lukas, I see that you are coming from a position of a lot of hurt and pain. I empathize with your suffering. How can we list-members help you out? My suffering in this case was mostly caused by your posting, so probably the best you

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-08 Thread Jonathan Walther
Lukas, I see that you are coming from a position of a lot of hurt and pain. I empathize with your suffering. How can we list-members help you out? Jonathan On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 08:07:53AM -0500, Lukas Geyer wrote: Jonathan Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On Sun, Mar 07, 2004

Re: Some Comments on Sexism in #debian

2004-03-08 Thread Jonathan Walther
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 06:34:23PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote: On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 12:22:44PM +1300, Mike Beattie wrote: Matt, I hate to burst your bubble, but IRC is not real life, and in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter - we do not control what people say or do. We canno