Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

Hi Pete (and all), I realize that my comment can be taken offensively, I am sorry.  What I mean by 'corner mom and pop', is that most companies that do or are likely to install Debian, are primarily comprised of individuals who are purists.  That notion of intellectual purity is not mainstream

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 01:51:13PM -0800, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: well, nothing really except some HTML-trash which I was unable to attribute even with links. How about configuring your Email client properly before you post here? thanks, Michael -- "The PROPER way to handle HTML post

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

The "operative word" was commercial, and as such, i was specifically refering to large commercial ventures, not the corner mom and pop retail establishment.  Case in point, IBM is using SuSE as their linux provider, chiefly due to the fact that SuSE has excellent corporate support.  And unless

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

Maybe do to the that Debian is not a Commercial Distribution, it is not likely that alot of companies are going to distribute it commercially. Pete Ryland wrote: On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:27:40 -0800, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: FIX YOUR INSTALLATION, RULE THE WORLD!!

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > On Monday 2002 December 02 10:13, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > > On Monday 2002 December 02 02:50, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > > > Why (if everything is the same), would anyone have to recomplie for > > > binaries, if the binari

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > On Monday 2002 December 02 10:05, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > > On Monday 2002 December 02 02:50, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > > > I just tried to find SONAME using man. How can I find out what this > > >

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 17:39, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 12:21:15PM -0800, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > The adapter analogy completely distracted from what I was trying to say. > > If carmakers were only the equivalent of assemblers (large scale kit > > builders

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 17:39, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 12:21:15PM -0800, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > The adapter analogy completely distracted from what I was trying to say. > > If carmakers were only the equivalent of assemblers (large scale kit > > builders

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 12:21:15PM -0800, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > The adapter analogy completely distracted from what I was trying to say. If > carmakers were only the equivalent of assemblers (large scale kit builders), > Then the conceptual-frame of the vehicle would be designed to

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > On Monday 2002 December 02 13:14, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > > > Debian packages tend to be more true to the original source than those > > > > of other large distributions. > > > >

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 13:14, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > > Debian packages tend to be more true to the original source than those > > > of other large distributions. > > > > This is why I said no one should have the right to do this. The

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 13:14, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > > Debian packages tend to be more true to the original source than those > > > of other large distributions. > > > > This is why I said no one should have the right to do this. The

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > Debian packages tend to be more true to the original source than those of > > other large distributions. > > This is why I said no one should have the right to do this. There needs to > be > a rigid air-traffic control system, just as

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 12:32, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > On Monday 2002 December 02 11:11, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > Also be aware that one cannot build _the_ binary image which works in > > > all possible scenarios. There are reasons

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > On Monday 2002 December 02 11:11, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > Also be aware that one cannot build _the_ binary image which works in > > all possible scenarios. There are reasons to build things differently. > > Is this only due to architectur

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

You people are great!! On Monday 2002 December 02 06:14, Andrew Suffield wrote: > You are mixing your metaphors. "Apples and oranges" does not mean that > you are comparing two things which cannot be compared (despite what a > few people seem to think); it expands to "Do not complain about an > ap

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > How much is necessity much. yours, peter -- PGP signed and encrypted | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** messages preferred.| : :' : The univers

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 11:11, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > On Monday 2002 December 02 10:13, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > > > On Monday 2002 December 02 02:50, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > > > >

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > On Monday 2002 December 02 10:13, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > > On Monday 2002 December 02 02:50, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > > > Why (if everything is the same), would anyone have to recomplie for > > > b

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 01:38, Andrew McMillan wrote: > On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 15:34, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > Have I said enough?? > > Yes, thank you. > > Regards, > Andrew. ;-) ;-) ;-) Even if you are displeased with me, I appreciate your

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 10:13, Martin Schulze wrote: > Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > On Monday 2002 December 02 02:50, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > Why (if everything is the same), would anyone have to recomplie for > > binaries, if the binaries were made once by the packagers and remaine

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 10:05, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > On Monday 2002 December 02 02:50, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > > I just tried to find SONAME using man. How can I find out what this > > > > is? Will the LSB eliminate this? What a

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > On Monday 2002 December 02 02:50, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > I just tried to find SONAME using man. How can I find out what this is? > > > Will the LSB eliminate this? What about the new UnitedLinux > > > distribution. > > > > man ld > Thank you > > > > Be

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > On Monday 2002 December 02 02:50, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > I just tried to find SONAME using man. How can I find out what this is? > > > Will the LSB eliminate this? What about the new UnitedLinux > > > distribution. > > > > Because the

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 07:59, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 02:02:45PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:27:40PM -0800, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > > Linux must be converted into a system that > > > ABSOLUTELY NEVER needs to be rebooted f

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Monday 2002 December 02 02:50, Martin Schulze wrote: > > I just tried to find SONAME using man. How can I find out what this is? > > Will the LSB eliminate this? What about the new UnitedLinux > > distribution. > > man ld Thank you > > Because the distribution uses different libraries and

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 02:02:45PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:27:40PM -0800, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > Linux must be converted into a system that > > ABSOLUTELY NEVER needs to be rebooted for ANY reason at all. > > Why? What advantage is there in elimin

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 06:34:49PM -0800, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > > The one thing that MUST be agreed to by EVERY > > > distribution of linux, is that ALL package names and locations MUST > > > remain as > > > ORIGINALLY INTENDED by the package maintainers, WITHOUT EXCEPTION. > > > >

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

[Absurd CC: chain deleted] You don't appear to have any conception of what Debian is about. Debian is a loose-knit group of people who work on it because they want to, for whatever reason. Market share is not a valid reason, and few developers harbour illusions of serving the general population of

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 10:10:14PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: AS>> or more of these areas are underdeveloped. This approach can also AS>> be used to identify and remove the bottleneck for further growth. MS> It would've been helpful if you would have added in which areas MS> Debian needs to i

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > > * We have to play the package-naming game if the upstream doesn't know > > about SONAME. > I just tried to find SONAME using man. How can I find out what this is? Will > the LSB eliminate this? What about the new UnitedLinux distribution. man ld Neither

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

[Please stop to overzealous crosspost to several un-related lists. Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > X-A+M: I would define "Empowering Leadership" as USER's RULE!! What are the > goals of Debian as they relate to the world community of computer users? Are The goal is written on

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 15:34, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson wrote: > Have I said enough?? Yes, thank you. Regards, Andrew. -- - Andrew @ Catalyst .Net.NZ Ltd, PO Box 11-053, Manners St, Well

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

On Sunday 2002 December 01 17:19, Oohara Yuuma wrote: > [I don't know why do you cross-post --- at least I read nothing about KDE] I said something about using KDE control center for installation...? > > On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:27:40 -0800, > > Xavian-Anderson Macpherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

[I don't know why do you cross-post --- at least I read nothing about KDE] On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:27:40 -0800, Xavian-Anderson Macpherson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My question is, why should I want > to use Debian, if I am clearly being told by Debian the system is so hard to > install. Becaus

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

Xavian-Anderson Macpherson => X-A+M, for further reference to my remarks. \\ => designates end of remarks On Friday 2002 November 29 13:10, Martin Schulze wrote: > Andreas Schuldei wrote: > > I have been reading books about group development and would like > > to share the thoughts about appling t

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

Andreas Schuldei wrote: > I have been reading books about group development and would like > to share the thoughts about appling this to debian. > > The book identified several different, interconnected "state > variables" for groups: > > empowering leadership > gift-oriented cooperation and work

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

I know I have a twisted mind. On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:57:59 +0100, Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been reading books about group development and would like > to share the thoughts about appling this to debian. I don't know the books you are talking about, but I think they are

Re: Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

* Andreas Schuldei ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021127 00:58]: > empowering leadership > gift-oriented cooperation and work > enthusiasm for the group's goal > functional structures > holistic small groups > need-oriented advocacy > loving relationships > inspiring meetings > > > groups that rate high in

Debian as a social group and how to develop it better

I have been reading books about group development and would like to share the thoughts about appling this to debian. The book identified several different, interconnected "state variables" for groups: empowering leadership gift-oriented cooperation and work enthusiasm for the group's goal functio