Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-12-11 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 08:28:23PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > a.) giving out access/rights, can be very _motivating_: I can tell > from my own experience mostly or more clearly in Debian Edu than in > Debian, that I do a lot of stuff in Debian Edu, because I was > granted the rights which I ne

Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-28 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Tuesday 28 October 2008 00:32, Matthew Johnson wrote: > Surely the multiple levels are the point she is making? Please watch the talk :) An (rather) easy level to achieve could be the debian.org email address that every associated project member gets quite easily. (And which is a positi

Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Matthew Johnson wrote: > On Mon Oct 27 20:28, Holger Levsen wrote: > > Her basic idea is, that in addictive games the first levels of success are > > easy to achieve and then it gets harder, but only so slowly so that people > > dont loose motivation. She also manages very we

Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-27 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Mon Oct 27 20:28, Holger Levsen wrote: > Her basic idea is, that in addictive games the first levels of success are > easy to achieve and then it gets harder, but only so slowly so that people > dont loose motivation. She also manages very well to carry this over to free > software developmen

motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-27 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Monday 27 October 2008 17:20, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > If someone is only trustable to package perl modules, shouldn't he be a > > DM instead of a DD? > We might want him to be able to package new perl modules on his own? Where > do you draw the line? If you maintain 20 or 50 perl modules

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/10/08 at 17:20 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it > > > > > would > >

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it > > > > would > > > > require the intervention of many DD each time we have

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would > > > require the intervention of many DD each time we have to grant a right > > > (when trusting the decision of 2 m

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would > > require the intervention of many DD each time we have to grant a right > > (when trusting the decision of 2 members with special rights would be > > enough). > > That

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/10/08 at 16:01 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Power-hungry might well be interested by this role but when 20 other > people have the same power, you really don't gain much with your power. > Unfairness is difficult to avoid as all human judgment have a subjective > part… but I don't see why

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, thanks for your comment. For reference, people might not have noticed but my initial mail was not only a reply to liw's mail but a real alternative proposal. BTW, I added some further explanations on my blog: http://www.ouaza.com/wp/2008/10/27/debian-membership-reform/ On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lu

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 24/10/08 at 21:59 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > As such I really don't buy that all DD should be equal when it comes to > technical work however I do think we have to move in the direction where > we broaden our membership to new kind of contributors and that all > contributors should hav

Re: It's all about trust at Debian Project

2008-10-24 Thread Andre Felipe Machado
Hello, I have read the posts about this long awaited subject discussion. (please, forgive my poor english, and ask for details) Interesting ideas to register, already posted by others: - Simplify things. * There are too much overloaded people already. Teams should be emphasized. * There are to