Re: Re^5: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Lars Versen wrote: > Steve Langasek, > MJ Ray, > > the way you give feedback makes it really hard to practise non-violent > communication. This mail is really nice, it gets to the point. This is something I missed in your original mail. Maybe you could provide the key items of your ideas withou

Re^5: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-19 Thread Lars Versen
Steve Langasek, MJ Ray, the way you give feedback makes it really hard to practise non-violent communication. And the biggest problem seems to be, that you are not even aware of the violent attitude you provide. I dont have the proper education nor am I getting paid to help you with your persona

Re: Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 02:35:57PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > "Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve Langasek, exactly that is a general misunderstanding of you and > > a few other Debian Developers. > > "I have three world-class operating system releases to my credit, > > and you dont" [..

Re: Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-18 Thread MJ Ray
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Langasek, exactly that is a general misunderstanding of you and > a few other Debian Developers. > "I have three world-class operating system releases to my credit, > and you dont" [...] I don't believe Steve Langasek ever wrote that. Please try to

Re: Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-18 Thread Bas Wijnen
Hi, This is my first and only mail on this subject. > Subject: Re: Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy Why do you start new threads all the time? It breaks mutt's threaded view, and it makes sure that your message shows as a new thread. This also makes it impossible t

Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-18 Thread Lars Versen
> > > I had reasons why I dont fill the pipe with E-Mails that contain 20 > > > pages long efforts if the expectation is pretty hostile feedback. > > As you can see, posting generalities didn't really fare much better. > Right - 20 pages of anything, from someone who doesn't appear to be > contri

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-16 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:08:37PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I had reasons why I dont fill the pipe with E-Mails that contain 20 > > pages long efforts if the expectation is pretty hostile feedback. > As you can see, posting generalities didn't really fare much better. Right - 20 pages of an

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-16 Thread Russ Allbery
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You are correct that my first E-Mail was very much simplified and > non-scientifical. I can only describe observations and personal opinion, > because I am not a scientist. And I am aware of the fact that a certain > type of personality has more problems

Re^3: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-16 Thread Lars Versen
Russ Allbery, thanks a lot for your opinion. I will use your E-Mail not to continue my topic on your back now, but you make a few interesting points that help me to go one step further with my explanations. You are correct that my first E-Mail was very much simplified and non-scientifical. I ca

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread Russ Allbery
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > First of all, the content of my E-Mail - my personal opinion - is not > addressed at all. Instead, the person behind the E-Mail is addressed in > such a way, that it causes bad reputation without any obvious reason. The content of your message was not,

Re^2: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread Lars Versen
The feedback that I received so far on my E-Mail shows certain aspects of personality, that are part of the deductive reasoning, why the social climate within the Debian community can be tricky. First of all, the content of my E-Mail - my personal opinion - is not addressed at all. Instead, the

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread Tapio Lehtonen
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 12:57:35PM +0100, Lars Versen wrote: > The problem I have with this feedback is, that you might scare those > people away from participating, who actually understand what I was > writing in my E-Mail, because they dont want to become your target. I did not understand what

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread MJ Ray
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem I have with this feedback is, that you might scare those > people away from participating, who actually understand what I was > writing in my E-Mail, because they dont want to become your target. I don't want to scare anyone, so I'll link to t

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The problem I have with this feedback is, that you might scare those > people away from participating, who actually understand what I was > writing in my E-Mail, because they dont want to become your target. I'm not scared by them. I understood your mai

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread Lars Versen
Steve Langasek, MJ Ray, there is much easier ways to tell me, that you are not interested in this topic. I am sure you both have your reasons to choose this way of communicating that to me. The problem I have with this feedback is, that you might scare those people away from participating, w

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-15 Thread MJ Ray
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What are your comments, questions or ideas, please? Oxygen is good. Competition is bad. I like Jello. -- MJR/slef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-14 Thread Steve Langasek
Dear Patrick, On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 03:52:22AM +0100, Lars Versen wrote: > In case you get the feeling anyways, that I am aiming to cause trouble, > then please choose a private form to express that. Send me an E-Mail. But > please dont use my piece of work here to run defacements or to do flam

ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-14 Thread Lars Versen
First of all, I want to assure you that I care for GNU/Debian as a Linux distribution, and I care for Debian as a community. To lead a scientifical proof for that, I would have to tell you at least a part of my story of life. Which I can do at some point in time, but that would be too distracting