Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-04-03 Thread Adrian Crum
We could include a metadata interface that external reporting tools to can use to generate reports. -Adrian On 4/3/2012 10:27 AM, Divesh Dutta wrote: +1 for Adrian. IT departments use specific tools. And they would like to integrate those tools with OFBiz. So any reporting tool should go in

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - example, exampleext

2012-04-03 Thread Divesh Dutta
My +1 for moving them to Extras. Reason is, if we need to keep it for best practice guide or for training then no doubt its a extra work. We can give good documentation with details about how to use /extras/example component to learn and keep it as best practice guide. Also we can promote this

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-04-03 Thread Divesh Dutta
I second with Scott. I would like to see E-commerce component in Special Purpose because that is the most commonly used component and its code should be well managed. Lots of people see E-commerce as reference application made on top of OFBiz. So having Ecommerce's code managed by Committers is

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-04-03 Thread Divesh Dutta
+1 for Adrian. IT departments use specific tools. And they would like to integrate those tools with OFBiz. So any reporting tool should go in Extras and End User should download them as per their need. We just need good documentation around all these efforts to help end users. Thanks -- Dives

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes

2012-04-03 Thread Divesh Dutta
Comments inline: On Mar 20, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them to >> "Extras"; keep just one (or two) >> > > Jacques proposed to keep Tomahawk (default) and Flat Grey. > Olivier proposed to keep just one (Toma

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-26 Thread Scott Gray
I think BIRT should be moved to Extras. The main reasons being: - we're still not (IMO) giving enough power to the users themselves to create reports - not every company wants to use BIRT and nor should they have to - the engine is large, the integration is lightweight and last time I looked the

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-26 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Which is one of reasons to have mostly unused things (not only BIRT) out of OFBiz. BTW from this POV the POS is not a problem, since it's not a webapp, it runs only at demand... Jacques Anne wrote: Just for the record, we disable the birt container. I don't like loading things I know aren't b

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-25 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
Thank you Anne. Perfect. I think options like this can be made visible through some documentation. At least inside the code through comments. I know it's there for BIRT. On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Anne wrote: > Just for the record, we disable the birt container. I don't like loading > thi

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-25 Thread Anne
Just for the record, we disable the birt container. I don't like loading things I know aren't being used. Cheers, Anne. On 23 March 2012 22:33, Mansour Al Akeel wrote: > in the config for base: > > base/config/ofbiz-containers.xml: > base/config/ofbiz-containers.xml: class="org.ofbiz.bi

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-25 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 21/03/2012 21:56, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Olivier Heintz" Le 21/03/2012 19:02, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Olivier Heintz" Le 20/03/2012 15:58, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Jacopo Cappellato" A) move framework/guiapp out of the framework; after all these years no code

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-23 Thread Prince Sewani
@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose Thank you Jacques. XUL is the mozilla UI thing. I didn't use any of the framework mentioned her :) On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: &

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-23 Thread Prince Sewani
Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose If we can agree on exactly what specialpurpose will be for in future, we might find it easy to decide what to move. My original thought was that specialpurpose is for the "extras" that most people won't want. But in future Apa

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-23 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
in the config for base: base/config/ofbiz-containers.xml: base/config/ofbiz-containers.xml: This is what loads Birt. Not sure if there's something else needed to load it. Can this be temporary used until OSGI is introduced. OSGI makes it easy to load and unload any component. So (if done

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-22 Thread Anne
+1 to Mansour's comments. I don't use Birt. I use JasperReports (GPL/LGPL). With JasperReports and Groovy I currently >> 2. can use ofbiz fieldnames and entity names. (not databasenames) >> 3. can use OFBiz views. >> 4. can fully integrate in the ERP application. >> 5. has many inbuilt output

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-22 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
I don't know why birt is integrated with Ofbiz. A reporting tools, is an add-on to any database driven system, and not essential for the over all functionality. Yes all of us need reports, and most of the time we use a reporting engine, but why can't it be separated from the code base, and used as

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-22 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: > Le 22/03/2012 02:38, Hans Bakker a écrit : >> Jacopo, >> >> you are making here a very negative review of the Birt integrationas >> any component sure there is room for improvement however >> >> Some positives you did not even no

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-22 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 22/03/2012 02:38, Hans Bakker a écrit : Jacopo, you are making here a very negative review of the Birt integrationas any component sure there is room for improvement however Some positives you did not even notice? 1. can use minilanguage for the retrieval 2. can use ofbiz fieldnames

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-22 Thread Hans Bakker
sure...but then i do not understand your comment...where do i indicate there is a dependency from the framework on an application? Warehouse entities are stored in the application? On 03/22/2012 06:14 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: I mean the framework should know nothing about applications 6. I

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-22 Thread Jacques Le Roux
I mean the framework should know nothing about applications 6. Incorporates the warehouse entities. Jacques From: "Hans Bakker" dependencies from applications to Birt in the framework? sure because Birt is part of the framework. warehouse entities and reports on them belong to the app

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-22 Thread Hans Bakker
dependencies from applications to Birt in the framework? sure because Birt is part of the framework. warehouse entities and reports on them belong to the applications, not to the birt application. Regards, Hans On 03/22/2012 05:11 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: From your remarks it seems then

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-22 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From your remarks it seems then that it introduces dependencies from applications. This is a part of what we are trying to avoid Jacques Hans Bakker wrote: Jacopo, you are making here a very negative review of the Birt integrationas any component sure there is room for improvement however

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz JCR function

2012-03-22 Thread Jacques Le Roux
+1 Thanks Anne, easier when neat :o) Jacques Anne wrote: Keep in framework +1 Remove from upcoming release +1 Part of core eventually +1 I think it is (should be) central to content handling, and OFBiz core needs to handle content. Therefore it should be in core. Cheers, Anne. On 22 March 2

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-22 Thread Nicolas Malin
enthusiasm is the word :) . The Lose Weight Program is a great lead for future, I understand that some people (and some customer) are afraid by this change. So we would tend to rise over the benefits of an organization whereby we have been working on for some years with Apache OFBiz and justify

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz JCR function

2012-03-22 Thread Sascha Rodekamp
> I don't think JCR should be handled by a plugin. It should be part of core > framework. > And, while at it, I don't think it should replace all Content component > (notably all its data model, and more anyway). > It's just a better way to handle content repositories (JCR = Java Content > Reposito

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-22 Thread Nicolas Malin
Le 22/03/2012 04:47, Hans Bakker a écrit : Hi Anne, Birt has several advantages in the current integration and we use it often on the warehouse entities. These entities are mostly not in the BI component but in the application components. Jasper reports and all others do not use the ofbiz fr

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:20 PM, Olivier Heintz wrote: > not, maybe a directory a the same level as ofbiz in the svn repository, and > plug-in manager will be able to download it to hot-deploy (or specialpurpose) > and maybe update some file which is needed (ex: add some target in ofbiz > build.xml

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-21 Thread Hans Bakker
Hi Anne, Birt has several advantages in the current integration and we use it often on the warehouse entities. These entities are mostly not in the BI component but in the application components. Jasper reports and all others do not use the ofbiz framework but work on the JDBC driver directl

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-21 Thread Anne
I thought Birt was a report generation/layout tool, like JasperReports and many others. I don't understand why it would have anything to do with datawarehousing. I agree with Hans that datawarehousing is important. But I think that should be part of BI, or other (possibly framework) functionality

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - example, exampleext

2012-03-21 Thread Anne
Just wanted to mention an idea I had: add a new group "Examples" alongside applications and specialpurpose and hot-deploy (maybe replacing specialpurpose?). It should be easy to enable/disable the entire group in one go. So new developers have it easily available, it is easy to enable for demos, a

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Anne
If we can agree on exactly what specialpurpose will be for in future, we might find it easy to decide what to move. My original thought was that specialpurpose is for the "extras" that most people won't want. But in future Apache Extras will be doing that. So should we remove specialpurpose totall

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-21 Thread Hans Bakker
Jacopo, you are making here a very negative review of the Birt integrationas any component sure there is room for improvement however Some positives you did not even notice? 1. can use minilanguage for the retrieval 2. can use ofbiz fieldnames and entity names. (not databasenames) 3.

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz JCR function

2012-03-21 Thread Anne
Keep in framework +1 Remove from upcoming release +1 Part of core eventually +1 I think it is (should be) central to content handling, and OFBiz core needs to handle content. Therefore it should be in core. Cheers, Anne. On 22 March 2012 05:04, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "Olivier Heintz" >

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-21 Thread Anne
+1 for Birt to extras. Most of the useful reports OOTB are currently fo. +1 to JasperReports in extras. I'm happy to volunteer for that one. Cheers, Anne. On 22 March 2012 04:59, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "Olivier Heintz" > > Le 20/03/2012 15:31, > adrian.crum@sandglass-**software.coma

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Olivier Heintz" Le 21/03/2012 19:02, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Olivier Heintz" Le 20/03/2012 15:58, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Jacopo Cappellato" A) move framework/guiapp out of the framework; after all these years no code made advantage of it being part of the framewo

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
Thank you Jacques. XUL is the mozilla UI thing. I didn't use any of the framework mentioned her :) On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "Mansour Al Akeel" >> >> Anil, >> >> I did not mean that putting a component under "specialpurposes" will >> make it used more by de

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 21/03/2012 19:02, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Olivier Heintz" Le 20/03/2012 15:58, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Jacopo Cappellato" A) move framework/guiapp out of the framework; after all these years no code made advantage of it being part of the framework and it is only used by

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Mansour Al Akeel" Anil, I did not mean that putting a component under "specialpurposes" will make it used more by developers. I meant because it will be used more than other component, let's not move it. From Jacopo's first email about the Lose Weight : Legenda for what I propose for eac

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Hi Anil, From: "Anil Patel" Jacques, I don't use pos, but I think it's good idea to keep it where it's. I think it's more likely, it will be used more than what goes in Extra. It fits "specialpurpose". Why do you think a component will be used more if its in specialpurpose section, instead

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Olivier Heintz" Le 20/03/2012 15:58, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Jacopo Cappellato" A) move framework/guiapp out of the framework; after all these years no code made advantage of it being part of the framework and it is only used by the specialpurpose/pos component (which was the

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz JCR function

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Olivier Heintz" Le 21/03/2012 11:45, Pierre Smits a écrit : Re 1: keep in framework +1 Re 2: remove from upcoming release 12.04 +1, remove from all upcoming future releases until 3 is finished plugin could really be the solution, because most of contribution coming from customer projec

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Olivier Heintz" Le 20/03/2012 15:31, adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com a écrit : I like the idea of keeping reporting tools separate from OFBiz. In my experience, IT departments are already using a reporting tool for other applications and they would prefer to integrate that tool with O

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 21/03/2012 15:03, Hans Bakker a écrit : Jacques, sure at the time is was up-to-date and this was a proposal how we can use ofbiz for the website, however because of the strict apache rules it was not used...but can still be a template for any local ofbiz website. It remains weak: be

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - example, exampleext

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 20/03/2012 23:44, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Mansour Al Akeel" Everyone has different preference about how would the basic component skeleton looks like (ie, with ajax, without, exta functionality ). Even if a basic example included with ofbiz distribution, in the future it will g

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - example, exampleext

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
discussion on "OFBiz Plugin Management, status and propositions" should be on the corresponding thread Le 20/03/2012 16:59, Mansour Al Akeel a écrit : Ant+Ivy would fit easier with the structure of ofbiz components. If we want to move to maven, then a modification to org/ofbiz/base/location/Fl

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 21/03/2012 17:40, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : On Mar 21, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Olivier Heintz wrote: +1 for ProjectMgr as a Apache-OFBiz plug-in, not out of Apache-OFBiz ps: most of our(the company I'm working for) future contribution will be complete Projectmgr migration to portlet ;-) Just

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 21/03/2012 16:16, Anil Patel a écrit : Jacques, I don't use pos, but I think it's good idea to keep it where it's. I think it's more likely, it will be used more than what goes in Extra. It fits "specialpurpose". Why do you think a component will be used more if its in specialpurpose sectio

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
As a next step, after all these threads about the slim down will settle down, we should probably, as a community, start to prepare the plan of action, aka roadmap (we could use Jira for it): add there all the actionable tasks coming out of this discussions; then, in these mailing lists we should

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Mar 21, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Olivier Heintz wrote: > +1 for ProjectMgr as a Apache-OFBiz plug-in, not out of Apache-OFBiz > > ps: most of our(the company I'm working for) future contribution will be > complete Projectmgr migration to portlet ;-) Just to avoid any confusion: * with this +1 you a

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre @GMail
Hi Olivier, I would love to exchange thoughts regarding migration to portlets. Regards, Pierre Sent from my iPhone On 21 mrt. 2012, at 17:26, Olivier Heintz wrote: > Le 21/03/2012 11:50, Pierre Smits a écrit : >> A) removal of framework/guiapp out of framework: +1 >> >> B) move specialpurp

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 21/03/2012 11:50, Pierre Smits a écrit : A) removal of framework/guiapp out of framework: +1 B) move specialpurpose/pos to 'Extras' +1 I am not in favour of moving ProjectMgr out of specialpurpose to 'Extras' as the majority of my customers use this. However, if it goes to 'Extras' I would

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 20/03/2012 15:58, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : From: "Jacopo Cappellato" A) move framework/guiapp out of the framework; after all these years no code made advantage of it being part of the framework and it is only used by the specialpurpose/pos component (which was the component for which it

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
+1 birt to extra and there will also a jasperReport in extras Le 20/03/2012 15:34, Mansour Al Akeel a écrit : +1 birt to Extra. On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:31 AM, wrote: I like the idea of keeping reporting tools separate from OFBiz. In my experience, IT departments are already using a report

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 20/03/2012 15:31, adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com a écrit : I like the idea of keeping reporting tools separate from OFBiz. In my experience, IT departments are already using a reporting tool for other applications and they would prefer to integrate that tool with OFBiz, instead of learni

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 20/03/2012 10:15, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : Thanks to all of you for the great discussion and feedback: I really appreciate all the time and great ideas you have shared. There seems to be a general agreement (with exceptions) about the following points: * the size of OFBiz should be reduc

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz JCR function

2012-03-21 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 21/03/2012 11:45, Pierre Smits a écrit : Re 1: keep in framework +1 Re 2: remove from upcoming release 12.04 +1, remove from all upcoming future releases until 3 is finished plugin could really be the solution, because most of contribution coming from customer project, and it's easier for a p

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
Anil, I did not mean that putting a component under "specialpurposes" will make it used more by developers. I meant because it will be used more than other component, let's not move it. >From Jacopo's first email about the Lose Weight : Legenda for what I propose for each piece of code: * Attic: r

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Anil Patel
> > Jacques, > I don't use pos, but I think it's good idea to keep it where it's. I > think it's more likely, it will be used more than what goes in Extra. > It fits "specialpurpose". > Why do you think a component will be used more if its in specialpurpose section, instead of Extras. Persona

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
Anil, I agree with you. Jacques, I don't use pos, but I think it's good idea to keep it where it's. I think it's more likely, it will be used more than what goes in Extra. It fits "specialpurpose". On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Anil Patel wrote: > People are really worried on the idea of m

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Anil Patel
People are really worried on the idea of moving certain components from Ofbiz trunk to Ofbiz Extras. Why is it so? Moving a component from Ofbiz trunk to Ofbiz Extras does not mean that the component is not good and so we are throwing it out. Instead idea is to allow components to grow by givi

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
They are more generic sure, I wonder for the pos... Jacques From: "Mansour Al Akeel" Jacques, Yes. You are right. I meant projectmgr. :) I believe assetmaint and projectmgr are used more than others and good to keep them where they are. Thank you. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jacques

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
Jacques, Yes. You are right. I meant projectmgr. :) I believe assetmaint and projectmgr are used more than others and good to keep them where they are. Thank you. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > partymgr  is in application will not move, you meant ProjectMgr  right?

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
Hans, The OFBiz project can hardly be regarded as an OFBiz Provider. Look at the list of Providers on the site. Then look at the source of their websites and have a feel for how many (besides your company) use OFBiz as a WCM. There are several solutions in the field providing for website function

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - documents

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
And there are parts in framework Jacques From: "Hans Bakker" The idea behind this that documents in wiki are not according the version..(only the latest) This directory has it for the related version AND can be in different languages and formats: html, pdf do judge before you understand..

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-21 Thread Hans Bakker
Jacques, sure at the time is was up-to-date and this was a proposal how we can use ofbiz for the website, however because of the strict apache rules it was not used...but can still be a template for any local ofbiz website. It remains weak: being an 'ofbiz' provider but not using it your

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
partymgr is in application will not move, you meant ProjectMgr right? Jacques From: "Mansour Al Akeel" I would recommend keeping partymgr and assetmaint. I am not sure if accounting depends on assetmain. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: + 1 on move of majority of apps

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Mansour Al Akeel" Jacques, inline: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: Hi Mansour, From: "Mansour Al Akeel" Jacques, We use RTL. May be you are right about the the ease of use to find an item, but the user who has permission to all these functionality is an

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-21 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Hans, The problem is that it's completly outdated and nobody is able/want to maintain it Just compare with http://ofbiz.apache.org/ which follows ASF rules with for instance a TM on Logo, etc. Jacques From: "Hans Bakker" then this could be in contrast with the ASF infrastructure offer

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
I would recommend keeping partymgr and assetmaint. I am not sure if accounting depends on assetmain. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > + 1 on move of majority of apps in specialpurpose to 'Extras', excluding > projectmgr as it displays how to use OFBiz in a different industr

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes

2012-03-21 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
Jacques, inline: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Hi Mansour, > > > From: "Mansour Al Akeel" >> >> Jacques, >> >> We use RTL. >> May be you are right about the the ease of use to find an item, but >> the user who has permission to all these functionality is an admin, >

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-21 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
Infra wouldn't be happy if we host the website in that demo instance; websites potentially have a lot of visits and that server is not intended for the load; this is similar to Confluence based pages: we will no more be allowed to use direct links to them from the website. Jacopo On Mar 21, 20

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - Birt and BI

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
Currently, rptdesign is used in specialpurpose applications like ebaystore and scrum, but also in core applications (accounting, order and product). We have to provide reports in our applications, as it would be difficult to maintain the concept of completeness of functionality without them. Endus

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - documents

2012-03-21 Thread Hans Bakker
The idea behind this that documents in wiki are not according the version..(only the latest) This directory has it for the related version AND can be in different languages and formats: html, pdf do judge before you understand.. Regards, Hans On 03/21/2012 06:01 PM, Pierre Smits wrote:

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - documents

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
+1. This is an example of bloat. Keeping ill-maintained static documents in OFBiz (the suite) that are also available through the OFBiz website is not adding value. Regards, Pierre Op 20 maart 2012 12:48 schreef Jacopo Cappellato < jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> het volgende: > > > O) frame

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - what should go to specialpurpose

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
+ 1 on move of majority of apps in specialpurpose to 'Extras', excluding projectmgr as it displays how to use OFBiz in a different industry than ecommerce/webshop. Is it not so that OFBiz is versatile. ProjectMgr does deliver some of that versatility. Regards, Pierre Op 20 maart 2012 12:47 schre

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - debian, seleniumxml, workflow, shark, appserver, jetty

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
On all: +1 Regards, Pierre Op 20 maart 2012 12:48 schreef Jacopo Cappellato < jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> het volgende: > > > C) $OFBIZ_HOME/debian: move to "Attic" > > > > D) the seleniumxml code in framework/testtools: move to "Attic" > > > > E) specialpurpose/workflow: move to "Attic"

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
A) removal of framework/guiapp out of framework: +1 B) move specialpurpose/pos to 'Extras' +1 I am not in favour of moving ProjectMgr out of specialpurpose to 'Extras' as the majority of my customers use this. However, if it goes to 'Extras' I would like to assist in maintaining it. Regards, Pi

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-21 Thread Hans Bakker
then this could be in contrast with the ASF infrastructure offered to the projects. - ??? try: http://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/ofbiz/ Regards, Hans On 03/20/2012 06:48 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: G) specialpurpose/ofbizwebsite: move to "Attic" Jacques and Olivier proposed to mo

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz JCR function

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
Re 1: keep in framework +1 Re 2: remove from upcoming release 12.04 +1, remove from all upcoming future releases until 3 is finished Re 3: draft up requirements for content framework replacement +1 Excellent roadmapping ;-) Regards, Pierre Op 20 maart 2012 11:48 schreef Jacopo Cappellato < jaco

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
+1 Op 20 maart 2012 12:48 schreef Jacopo Cappellato < jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> het volgende: > > > G) specialpurpose/ofbizwebsite: move to "Attic" > > > > Jacques and Olivier proposed to move it to Extras instead just in case > someone will pick up the work and complete it in the future

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - example, exampleext

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
+1 on removal from core (framework), as it doesn't add any value in a framework. However, having it available as a separate downloadable application (to be used from hot-deploy or special purpose) would be beneficiary for newcomers in the development scene. Regards, Pierre Op 20 maart 2012 12:47

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes

2012-03-21 Thread Pierre Smits
I prefer to keep the Flat Grey and one other. Op 20 maart 2012 12:48 schreef Jacopo Cappellato < jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> het volgende: > > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a few of them > to "Extras"; keep just one (or two) > > > > Jacques proposed to keep Tom

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz

2012-03-21 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
We will setup a page in the OFBiz website, for sure. The final decision on the projects that will appear there will be done by the OFBiz PMC but I guess that initially it will only contain projects in Apache Extras; there may be exceptions to to this rule, I guess. Jacopo On Mar 21, 2012, at 11

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz

2012-03-21 Thread Sam Hamilton
Where are we going to show the list of addons for OFBiz? Will this only be limited to ones in Apache Extra's or for the people who prefer to do their source hosting on say github join in too? Thanks Sam On 21 Mar 2012, at 16:23, Vikas Mayur wrote: > Thanks Jacopo for your quick response. It

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz

2012-03-21 Thread Vikas Mayur
Thanks Jacopo for your quick response. It clears my doubt. Regards Vikas On Mar 21, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: > Hi Vikas, > > I am sharing my ideas about this new process (they are also based on my > reading of various documents provided by ASF): > > On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:58

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz

2012-03-21 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
Hi Vikas, I am sharing my ideas about this new process (they are also based on my reading of various documents provided by ASF): On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Vikas Mayur wrote: > Hi Jacopo, > > I have few questions on the proposed idea for Extras. > > -- Since the projects will be hosted as A

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz

2012-03-21 Thread Vikas Mayur
Hi Jacopo, I have few questions on the proposed idea for Extras. -- Since the projects will be hosted as Apache OFBiz Extras and not officially under ASF, In future does this means these projects should strictly follow the ASF license? What if user group and/or the code maintainer of the projec

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes

2012-03-20 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Hi Mansour, From: "Mansour Al Akeel" Jacques, We use RTL. May be you are right about the the ease of use to find an item, but the user who has permission to all these functionality is an admin, and normally, she is comfortable finding any item quickly. The rest of the uses don't have that much

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - example, exampleext

2012-03-20 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Mansour Al Akeel" Everyone has different preference about how would the basic component skeleton looks like (ie, with ajax, without, exta functionality ). Even if a basic example included with ofbiz distribution, in the future it will grow again with extra unneeded functionality, or

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes

2012-03-20 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
Jacques, We use RTL. May be you are right about the the ease of use to find an item, but the user who has permission to all these functionality is an admin, and normally, she is comfortable finding any item quickly. The rest of the uses don't have that much items and menus shown. I know, other the

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-20 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Scott Gray" On 21/03/2012, at 9:24 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: Le 20/03/2012 12:48, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : G) specialpurpose/ofbizwebsite: move to "Attic" Jacques and Olivier proposed to move it to Extras instead just in case someone will pick up the work and complete it i

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes

2012-03-20 Thread Jacques Le Roux
I see that most people prefer Flat Grey. Let me explain why I prefer Tomahawk. Did you ever wonder why the paper we write on has more than often a greater height than width, why newspaper have many columns, etc. Here is an answer http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3553/why-do-new

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - example, exampleext

2012-03-20 Thread Mansour Al Akeel
Everyone has different preference about how would the basic component skeleton looks like (ie, with ajax, without, exta functionality ). Even if a basic example included with ofbiz distribution, in the future it will grow again with extra unneeded functionality, or it will be an on going discu

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-20 Thread Scott Gray
On 21/03/2012, at 9:24 AM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: > Le 20/03/2012 12:48, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : >> >>> G) specialpurpose/ofbizwebsite: move to "Attic" >>> >> >> Jacques and Olivier proposed to move it to Extras instead just in case >> someone will pick up the work and complete it in th

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - example, exampleext

2012-03-20 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 20/03/2012 12:47, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : Q) framework/example and framework/exampleext: move to specialpurpose Adrian would like to keep Example in the framework but slim it down a lot to the essential (no form widgets examples, no Ajax examples, no content examples etc...). Adrian wou

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - ofbizwebsite

2012-03-20 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 20/03/2012 12:48, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : G) specialpurpose/ofbizwebsite: move to "Attic" Jacques and Olivier proposed to move it to Extras instead just in case someone will pick up the work and complete it in the future. I would like to mention that, if the original goal was "to eat

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz JCR function

2012-03-20 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 20/03/2012 13:18, Sascha Rodekamp a écrit : Hi, 1) keep it in framework +1 2) but remove it from the upcoming new release branch 12.04 +1 - for now the JCR implementation provide the the developer an API which helps to create, read, update or delete content in the repository. We have no

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - guiapp and pos

2012-03-20 Thread Scott Gray
I'm in favor of moving all special purpose apps to Extras (or Attic for some of the older/unused ones) except for ecommerce. Even then the only reason I'd like to keep ecommerce is because it is the only special purpose app that is almost universally useful to OFBiz users and I'd like to keep i

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes

2012-03-20 Thread Ashish Vijaywargiya
My vote will be to keep two themes in the project. IMO Flatgrey theme is the best to keep as the default one for the project. -- Ashish On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Jacopo Cappellato < jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: > > I) $OFBIZ_HOME/themes/*: move a few of them to "Attic" and a

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - themes

2012-03-20 Thread Ruth Hoffman
Another data point: I've been in several OFBiz shops recently and have observed that many people end up using Flat Grey. Not sure why this is. IMHO Tomahawk looks nice, but in the end, the mixture of dark and light is hard on the eyes. Having to scroll over to expose links makes navigation mor

Re: Lose Weight Program for OFBiz - example, exampleext

2012-03-20 Thread Anil Patel
I use example component as my reference for best practice guide. Still I think its better placed in Ofbiz Extras. Thanks and Regards Anil Patel HotWax Media Inc On Mar 20, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Nicolas Malin wrote: > Le 20/03/2012 16:38, Jacques Le Roux a écrit : >> From: "Nicolas Malin" >>> L

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