Re: systemd - move /selinux to /sys/fs/selinux - maybe remove /srv ?

2011-04-28 Thread nodata
On 29/04/11 00:37, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > Hi, > > I think it's a very good decision - I never understood why selinux dir > is directly under /. > > By the way, maybe it would be good to think about the meaning of /srv > existance? For seven years FHS requires that this directory exists > http:/

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd - move /selinux to /sys/fs/selinux - maybe remove /srv ?

2011-04-28 Thread Michał Piotrowski
W dniu 29 kwietnia 2011 04:09 użytkownik Jasper Boot napisał: > Hi, > 2011/4/29 Michał Piotrowski >> >> Hi, >> >> By the way, maybe it would be good to think about the meaning of /srv >> existance? For seven years FHS requires that this directory exists >> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread Petr Sabata
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 06:57:53AM -0700, Wes Hardaker wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:59:09 +0200, Reindl Harald > > said: > > RH> Am 28.04.2011 01:17, schrieb Itamar Reis Peixoto: > >> why ipv6 and ipv4 have different name for the tools ? > ... > RH> because the same hostname can hav

Re: Some changes to EPEL package reviews

2011-04-28 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 4/28/2011 13:25, Bill Nottingham wrote: > EPEL now has a 'Package Review' component in bugzilla. If you've got an > EPEL-only package you'd like to get reviewed, feel free to file it there. How is this any different, given that process-git-requests creates a rawhide branch without regard to wh

Re: systemd - move /selinux to /sys/fs/selinux - maybe remove /srv ?

2011-04-28 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 23:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:37:26AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > By the way, maybe it would be good to think about the meaning of /srv > > existance? For seven years FHS requires that this directory exists > > http://www.pathname.com/

Re: systemd - move /selinux to /sys/fs/selinux - maybe remove /srv ?

2011-04-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:37:26AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > By the way, maybe it would be good to think about the meaning of /srv > existance? For seven years FHS requires that this directory exists > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16A > but "The methodology used to na

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Wes Hardaker said: > I'm all for a single unified set of commands (-4, -6). The real > question, is what should the default be? And if 4 now, when do you > switch later? [thus, I think -both now with v6 first if a is > available otherwise v4 is probably the right answer]

Self (Re)Introduction

2011-04-28 Thread Andy Grimm
Hello, all. A brief bio on me: I started using Red Hat Linux in college in 1997. I spent half a decade as a Linux sys admin, and long ago I used to lurk in #redhat and #fedora giving tech support to new users. I first met some of these fine Fedora folks at FUDCon 2005. I finally signed up to b

New packager introduction

2011-04-28 Thread Richard Shaw
Hello, I've been a Fedora user since FC6 and a little RH6 before that. Our family pretty much uses Fedora exclusively, including my desktop, MythTV box, and wife's laptop. The wife's laptop can still dual boot Vista, but she never uses it. I've been lurking on the devel mailing list for a while b

systemd - move /selinux to /sys/fs/selinux - maybe remove /srv ?

2011-04-28 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, I think it's a very good decision - I never understood why selinux dir is directly under /. By the way, maybe it would be good to think about the meaning of /srv existance? For seven years FHS requires that this directory exists http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16A but "The

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 23:47 +0200, Karsten Hopp wrote: > Creating 64bit images with an additional 32bit glibc just for yaboot is > suboptimal, but seems to work so far. Why does yaboot use glibc? Isn't it built with -nostdlib? The issue was libextfs.a, wasn't it? And didn't we solve that somehow?

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Karsten Hopp
Am 28.04.2011 20:24, schrieb David Woodhouse: > On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 13:36 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >> >> Additional items to cover are: >> >> 1) Are ppc32 machines supported? Specifically I'm thinking of Apple >> G4 machines, but we used to build a bunch of Freescale device drivers >> and suc

Some changes to EPEL package reviews

2011-04-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Just as a FYI: EPEL now has a 'Package Review' component in bugzilla. If you've got an EPEL-only package you'd like to get reviewed, feel free to file it there. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: farewell to cvs.fedoraproject.org

2011-04-28 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:05:29PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Hrm, that's not ideal, the kernel history never got converted, so the > > only way to blame old changes is to reference CVS... > > Yeah, I seem to remember that being noted after the git conversion and > kernel folks saying they didn

Re: farewell to cvs.fedoraproject.org

2011-04-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:34:23 -0400 Kyle McMartin wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 08:12:41AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I have just taken cvs.fedoraproject.org down since the last 3 > > projects using it are moved off. ;) > > > > Hrm, that's not ideal, the kernel history never got converted,

Outage: Wiki, Insight, Smolt, Wordpress, Zarafa database outage - 2011-05-04 20:00 UTC

2011-04-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Outage: Wiki, Insight, Smolt, Wordpress, Zarafa database outage - 2011-05-04 20:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2011-05-04 20:00UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run:

Re: farewell to cvs.fedoraproject.org

2011-04-28 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 08:12:41AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I have just taken cvs.fedoraproject.org down since the last 3 projects > using it are moved off. ;) > Hrm, that's not ideal, the kernel history never got converted, so the only way to blame old changes is to reference CVS... Can we g

Re: FC 14 yum update problems

2011-04-28 Thread Phillip Lynn
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 14:56 -0400, Phillip Lynn wrote: > All, The updates listed below were done on 04/27/2011. After completing updates, the errors listed below were found. I have included all files updated using yum. After yum updates I rebooted the system. > > Not sure if this is the corr

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 04/28/2011 01:36 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > 1) Are ppc32 machines supported? Specifically I'm thinking of Apple > G4 machines, but we used to build a bunch of Freescale device drivers > and such as well for machines in the 6xx class. Just from a demand perspective, this summer Apple will drop sup

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 13:36 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > Additional items to cover are: > > 1) Are ppc32 machines supported? Specifically I'm thinking of Apple > G4 machines, but we used to build a bunch of Freescale device drivers > and such as well for machines in the 6xx class. We should

[Bug 699569] There is no Application icon in Gnome3's Activities/Applications

2011-04-28 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699569 --- Comment #16 from Iain Arnell 2011-04-28 13:55:15 EDT --- Then since we all seem to be have an icon with 0.84-3, I agree with

Review swaps

2011-04-28 Thread Jerry James
Hi all, I'd like to swap a couple of reviews. My packages: openfst: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681976 This is the next chunk of a voice recognition stack (CMU Sphinx) I've slowly been pushing into Fedora. csdp: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689039 This is used by

Re: farewell to cvs.fedoraproject.org

2011-04-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 19:40:01 +0200 Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:12:41 -0600, KF wrote: > > > I have just taken cvs.fedoraproject.org down since the last 3 > > projects using it are moved off. ;) > > > > I'll wait a week or so before removing it entirely. If anyone finds > >

[Bug 699569] There is no Application icon in Gnome3's Activities/Applications

2011-04-28 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=699569 --- Comment #15 from gat 2011-04-28 13:42:57 EDT --- I never had perl-Padre-0.84-2.f15 installed. I had 0.84-1 with no icon. I u

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.04.2011 19:28, schrieb Wes Hardaker: >> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:10:49 +0200, Reindl Harald >> said: > > RH> you can not change after 30 years way a basic-command works > RH> like changing default to IPv6 without producing a lot > RH> of troubles out there, make now a unifified comm

Re: farewell to cvs.fedoraproject.org

2011-04-28 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:12:41 -0600, KF wrote: > I have just taken cvs.fedoraproject.org down since the last 3 projects > using it are moved off. ;) > > I'll wait a week or so before removing it entirely. If anyone finds > anything that is still trying to access it or look for resources there, > p

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Dan Horák wrote: >> > Discussions are still ongoing on how to solve the unified initrd size >> > problem though as currently for Power6 or Power5 the new initrd is just >> > too large to ever work, even if it would be better compressed. So we >> > might have to go

Re: Self Introduction

2011-04-28 Thread Martin Cermak
Hi, On 04/27/2011, Hans De Goede wrote: > > I'm a sponsor and I would be happy to sponsor you. But first I would like to > see slightly more of your packaging skills / understanding of the Fedora > packaging guidelines (I already took a quick look at your pal package). There > are 2 ways to show

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread Wes Hardaker
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:10:49 +0200, Reindl Harald > said: RH> you can not change after 30 years way a basic-command works RH> like changing default to IPv6 without producing a lot RH> of troubles out there, make now a unifified command RH> with IPv4 as default and change it later to IP

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Dan Horák
Josh Boyer píše v Čt 28. 04. 2011 v 13:20 -0400: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > > > Just wanted to give you all a brief heads up that Fedora on PPC as a > > secondary arch is still alive and kicking and no dead horse! > > > > On a more serious note, we

[Guidelines Change] Changes to the Packaging Guidelines

2011-04-28 Thread Tom Callaway
Here are the latest changes to the Fedora Packaging Guidelines: --- A new set of guidelines have been written for handling systemd in packages: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd --- A new set of guidel

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Phil Knirsch wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Just wanted to give you all a brief heads up that Fedora on PPC as a > secondary arch is still alive and kicking and no dead horse! > > On a more serious note, we've recently been catching up to the current > Fedora 15 package

Re: Avoiding conditioning ignorance towards AutoQA

2011-04-28 Thread Tim Flink
On 04/28/2011 02:00 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: >> Keeping the current way will just make me (and possibly others) >> add filters to throw away messages from AutoQA. Please be aware of >> how much contributor time you waste by making them hope through >> useless (because the tests have passed and no inf

[Test-Announce] 2011-04-29 @ 17:00 UTC - F-15 blocker bug review #3

2011-04-28 Thread James Laska
# F15 Blocker Review meeting #2 # Date: 2011-04-29 # Time: 17:00 UTC [1] (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT, 10:00 MST) # Location: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net The third (of four) F15 Final blocker review meetings will be this Friday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-bugzappers. We'll review proposed and acc

Re: tomboy orphaned

2011-04-28 Thread Mat Booth
On 28 April 2011 17:24, Steven Yong wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Mike McLean wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Steven Yong wrote: >>> I use it everyday and I am a C/C++ programmer. What is the requirement for >>> the role? >> >> note that tomboy is a Mono app >> >> https:/

Re: tomboy orphaned

2011-04-28 Thread Steven Yong
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Mike McLean wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Steven Yong wrote: >> I use it everyday and I am a C/C++ programmer. What is the requirement for >> the role? > > note that tomboy is a Mono app > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_m

Re: tomboy orphaned

2011-04-28 Thread Mike McLean
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Steven Yong wrote: > I use it everyday and I am a C/C++ programmer. What is the requirement for > the role? note that tomboy is a Mono app https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers You can skip the stuff about adding your package sin

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 16:27 +0200, Martin Stransky wrote: > On 04/27/2011 03:10 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > > Lots of things are unfortunate. This is software, after all. I regret > > not working on this earlier, since it would probably have saved the > > effort invested in fallback mode entirely.

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/28/2011 10:26 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > 2011/4/28 Wolfgang Denk : >> Dear David Woodhouse, >> >> In message <1303997568.2912.117.ca...@macbook.infradead.org> you wrote: >>> >>> There's no real reason you shouldn't be able to update to the F15 >

Re: farewell to cvs.fedoraproject.org

2011-04-28 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2011/4/28 Kevin Fenzi : > I have just taken cvs.fedoraproject.org down since the last 3 projects > using it are moved off. ;) > > I'll wait a week or so before removing it entirely. If anyone finds > anything that is still trying to access it or look for resources there, > please let me know a

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2011/4/28 Wolfgang Denk : > Dear David Woodhouse, > > In message <1303997568.2912.117.ca...@macbook.infradead.org> you wrote: >> >> There's no real reason you shouldn't be able to update to the F15 >> packages even without an installer, surely? > > Did you try it?  And did it work?  Normally yum wi

farewell to cvs.fedoraproject.org

2011-04-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I have just taken cvs.fedoraproject.org down since the last 3 projects using it are moved off. ;) I'll wait a week or so before removing it entirely. If anyone finds anything that is still trying to access it or look for resources there, please let me know and we can get them moved off there. ht

[Bug 700411] perl-Perl-Critic-Pulp-56 is available

2011-04-28 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=700411 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.04.2011 15:57, schrieb Wes Hardaker: >> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:59:09 +0200, Reindl Harald >> said: > > RH> Am 28.04.2011 01:17, schrieb Itamar Reis Peixoto: >>> why ipv6 and ipv4 have different name for the tools ? > ... > RH> because the same hostname can have A and AAA records >

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-28 Thread Ben Boeckel
Adam Williamson wrote: > That's a point. How about no timeout when there's an alternative > connection available, timeout when there isn't? In the presence of many wireless connections, not all are equal in regards to access to things and should be treated as such (see other thread). --Ben --

[perl-Perl-Critic-Pulp] Version 56 bump

2011-04-28 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 55eb6771f5431797e93e0fa64c52e33f541c7e24 Author: Petr Písař Date: Thu Apr 28 15:58:21 2011 +0200 Version 56 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Perl-Critic-Pulp.spec | 14 +- sources|2 +- 3 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 2 deletio

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:47 +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote: > Did you try it? And did it work? Normally yum will refuse to update > when you try skipping more than a single version. Define 'refuse'. It doesn't even *know*, generally. I *often* update by two releases at a time. Sometimes more. --

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread Wes Hardaker
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:59:09 +0200, Reindl Harald > said: RH> Am 28.04.2011 01:17, schrieb Itamar Reis Peixoto: >> why ipv6 and ipv4 have different name for the tools ? ... RH> because the same hostname can have A and AAA records That argument makes sense up until the point that you r

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Thursday, April 28, 2011 08:32:48 AM David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:31 +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote: > > > Due to these installer problems we're probably not going to be able to > > > have an official PowerPC release for Fedora 15, but the goal is to > > > definitely get it done

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:31 +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote: >> > Due to these installer problems we're probably not going to be able to >> > have an official PowerPC release for Fedora 15, but the goal is to >> > definitely get it done for Fedo

Re: Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread David Woodhouse
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 15:31 +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote: > > Due to these installer problems we're probably not going to be able to > > have an official PowerPC release for Fedora 15, but the goal is to > > definitely get it done for Fedora 16. > > Am I interpreting this right that this effctivel

Fedora PPC status & work in progress :)

2011-04-28 Thread Phil Knirsch
Hi everyone. Just wanted to give you all a brief heads up that Fedora on PPC as a secondary arch is still alive and kicking and no dead horse! On a more serious note, we've recently been catching up to the current Fedora 15 packages after PowerPC moved to secondary arch status after Fedora 12.

retiring hal-info

2011-04-28 Thread Richard Hughes
In a move that will surprise few, I'm retiring hal-info in devel and orphaned it in f15. If hal gets blocked for f16, then I'll do the same for hal-info. The only thing that requires hal-info is hal, and libmtp-hal. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedor

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread David Woodhouse
On Wed, 2011-04-27 at 23:57 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:59:09AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> because the same hostname can have A and AAA records > >> and the people commonly use ping (sysadmins) must be > >> able to

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread Steve Clark
On 04/27/2011 11:57 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:59:09AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: because the same hostname can have A and AAA records and the people commonly use ping (sysadmins) must be able to decide what they will test? U

rawhide report: 20110428 changes

2011-04-28 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Apr 28 08:15:02 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- beldi-0.9.25-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libhal-storage.so.1()(64bit) beldi-0.9.25-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libhal.so.1()(64bit) beldi-0.9.25-3.fc15.x8

[perl-Convert-Color/f13/master: 5/5] Merge.

2011-04-28 Thread corsepiu
commit 4514e5169d32d6519cb446b98fd417c49806e1b3 Merge: b29a41d 1c07426 Author: Ralf Corsépius Date: Thu Apr 28 10:49:38 2011 +0200 Merge. .gitignore |1 + perl-Convert-Color.spec | 14 ++ sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 9

[perl-Convert-Color/f13/master] (5 commits) ...Merge.

2011-04-28 Thread corsepiu
Summary of changes: 2f0b512... Import. (*) e7e598e... - Add Convert-Color-0.07.diff (Remove comment, confusing rp (*) 30c78e0... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Mass (*) 1c07426... Upstream update. Spec cleanup. (*) 4514e51... Merge. (*) This commit already existe

Re: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode

2011-04-28 Thread Christophe Fergeau
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:35:11PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > Not yet ... the VM has to provide proper 3D acceleration for it to work. > Ajax has been working on making it run on software rendering, once his > work is finished it should be able to run in VMs. For what it's worth, 3D support is a plan

Re: Avoiding conditioning ignorance towards AutoQA

2011-04-28 Thread Kamil Paral
> Keeping the current way will just make me (and possibly others) add > filters to throw away messages from AutoQA. Please be aware of how > much > contributor time you waste by making them hope through useless > (because > the tests have passed and no information is gained) mails. I realize > you

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.04.2011 03:38, schrieb Chuck Anderson: > Do you propose we add telnet6, ftp6, ssh6, etc commands? for ftp/ssh it is not relevant what protocol who is using ping? network-admins for what is ping used? to see if a connection works signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature