Hello!
Could someone also tell me how to make it look in the correct places?
For example:
> [root@ankur ~]# repoquery -l mono-nunit | egrep "nunit\.core\.dll"
> /usr/lib64/mono/2.0/nunit.core.dll
> /usr/lib64/mono/4.0/nunit.core.dll
> /usr/lib64/mono/gac/nunit.core/2.4.8.0__96d09a1eb7f44a77/nunit
Hello,
Could a developer that uses mono please tell me how to pass flags to
mdtool? The build readme here[1] says they can be passed, and the
concerned Makefile[2] simply calls mdtool.
As you'll understand from the links above, I'm in the process of
packaging opendental[3] for the fedora medical
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 16:21 +0100, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> On 23/06/11 15:53, Karel Zak wrote:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709351
> >
> > The tools (not only df(1)) have to be fixed to de-duplicate the list
> > of fileststems. It's standard behavior that the same filesystem co
On 06/22/2011 03:12 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> xerces-c
I can take xerces-c if its current owner doesn't sign the FPCA. I sent a
personal mail to jrobie yesterday but no reply so far.
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 02:53:47PM -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:34:10AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > Due to the requirement for contributors to sign the FPCA by Thursday of last
> > week, certain package owners who haven't yet signed will be removed from the
> > packa
commit 4f921fed1ef97fdefe4053b021c26e3280f18dfe
Author: Marcela Mašláňová
Date: Thu Jun 23 22:13:14 2011 +0200
Switch off tests until mock is updated.
perl-IPC-Run.spec |3 ++-
1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-IPC-Run.spec b/perl-IPC-Run.spec
inde
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:34:10AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Due to the requirement for contributors to sign the FPCA by Thursday of last
> week, certain package owners who haven't yet signed will be removed from the
> packager group soon. When that happens, the packages that they own will b
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 10:34 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> SOAPpy
I'll take this one.
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> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:30 PM, JB wrote:
>> Miloslav TrmaÄ volny.cz> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, JB gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> > Will the TPM allow a third party remote access to the machine ?
>>> Absolutely not.
>>
>> You are wrong here.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedi
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:30 PM, JB wrote:
> Miloslav Trmač volny.cz> writes:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, JB gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> > Will the TPM allow a third party remote access to the machine ?
>> Absolutely not.
>
> You are wrong here.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trus
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 09:54 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:57:58PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> > * #563 suggested policy: all daemons must set RELRO and PIE flags
> > (ajax, 17:53:41)
> > * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/93 (nirik, 17:54:34)
> > *
> Miloslav TrmaÄ volny.cz> writes:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, JB gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> > Will the TPM allow a third party remote access to the machine ?
>> Absolutely not.
>
> You are wrong here.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
> "...
> Overview
> ..
Miloslav Trmač volny.cz> writes:
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, JB gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> > Will the TPM allow a third party remote access to the machine ?
> Absolutely not.
You are wrong here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
"...
Overview
... It also includes c
commit 66e3fa050bc2e70d775d5b7c45586adf65416448
Author: Marcela Mašláňová
Date: Thu Jun 23 18:59:45 2011 +0200
switch off tests until tty works in mock
perl-Expect.spec |3 ++-
1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Expect.spec b/perl-Expect.spec
index
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 20:22 +0400, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)
wrote:
> To fix [1] and [2] dependency rebuild required.
> Scratch build successful [3], if someone can help on it, I'm ready
> commit and push changes in git.
> Rebuild for rawhide and f15 required.
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.re
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Matt Domsch wrote:
> linbox-1.1.7-0.2.svn3214.fc13 [u'631173 NEW'] (build/make) jjames
This one needs a new package, fflas-ffpack, which is in the middle of
the review process now. Once that package hits the repositories, I
need to coordinate with the givaro main
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) <
fo...@hubbitus.com.ru> wrote:
> **
> 23.06.2011 19:09, Matt Domsch wrote:
>
> Below are the of packages which have outstanding FTBFS bugs from
> earlier Fedora releases. I've split them up by their 'dist' tag which
> shows when
On 07:38:37 PM Thursday, June 23, 2011 David Timms wrote:
> On 23/06/11 22:53, Alexander Kurtakov wrote:
> > maintainers of most of the stack are slightly moving it to maven 3 only.
> > We
>
> Hey Alex, is that supposed to be slowly ?
Not really. We do it as fast as we can but we try to not
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Summary: FTBFS perl-OpenFrame-3.05-13.fc15
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=716174
Summary: FTBFS perl-OpenFrame-3.05-13.fc15
Product: Fedora
23.06.2011 19:09, Matt Domsch wrote:
Below are the of packages which have outstanding FTBFS bugs from
earlier Fedora releases. I've split them up by their 'dist' tag which
shows when they were last successfully built.
I recommend and propose to FESCo that all non-building packages with
Fedora 1
To fix [1] and [2] dependency rebuild required.
Scratch build successful [3], if someone can help on it, I'm ready
commit and push changes in git.
Rebuild for rawhide and f15 required.
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710837
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=712304
[3
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Summary: FTBFS perl-Wx-Perl-DataWalker-0.02-8.fc15
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=716093
Summary: FTBFS perl-Wx-Perl-DataWalker-0.02-8.fc15
Produ
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, JB wrote:
> I have done some inventory on this topic, and have some questions.
I'm not really an expert on this... Hopefully someone will correct my mistakes.
> Why do you need Trusted Boot mechanism to ensure that identified and origin-
> verified Linux kernel is
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> I'm considering drop the network hotplug support from the 'network'
> service. This is the code that would automatically run ifup when a new
> network device appeared, if there was a configuration for it.
>
> The supported solution
On 23/06/11 14:45, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> On 06/23/2011 08:58 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>> On 23/06/11 12:28, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23.06.11 12:58, yersinia (yersinia.spi...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>
Greetings
Perhaps it is of interest to this list that Phonorix has produ
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 02:00:40PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>
> Hi, I'll take these.
>
> kde-plasma-ihatethecashew
> kde-plasma-translatoid
>
> libaccounts-glib
> libaccounts-qt
> libqttracker
>
> For MeeGo stack, I'll take these, I did review for most of them.
>
> We (as KDE SIG) should
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 08:27:35AM -0400, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote:
> Hi,
>
> if no other is interested, I can provide new home for these:
>
> espeak
>
Reassigned to you, thanks!
> libax25
> demorse
> linpsk
> LinLog
>
bjensen has now signed so these are no longer orphaned. You're welcome to
ap
On 23/06/11 15:53, Karel Zak wrote:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709351
>
> The tools (not only df(1)) have to be fixed to de-duplicate the list
> of fileststems. It's standard behavior that the same filesystem could
> be mounted on more places.
>
> The 'bind' flag is another w
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> is there any way to find on the system present but obsolete
> config-files automatically
I don't think it's possible to do much better better than (find -atime
...), unfortunately.
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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:46:17AM -0700, Dan Young wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > python-werkzeug
>
> I'm packaging python-flask, which has python-werkzeug as a dep. I'll take it.
>
Done. Note that python-werkzeug has EPEL-4,5,and 6 branches which I've no
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 06:49:00PM -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> On 21/06/11 04:35 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:30:42AM -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> >> On 20/06/11 10:34 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> >>> gdesklets-goodweather
> >>> gdesklets-quote-of-the-day
> >
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:57:58PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
>> * #563 suggested policy: all daemons must set RELRO and PIE flags
>> (ajax, 17:53:41)
>> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/93 (nirik, 17:54:34)
>> * ACTI
Below are the of packages which have outstanding FTBFS bugs from
earlier Fedora releases. I've split them up by their 'dist' tag which
shows when they were last successfully built.
I recommend and propose to FESCo that all non-building packages with
Fedora 12 and 13 dist tags be considered for dr
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:30:15AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> what triggers that since F15 every bind-mount is displayed in
> "df" with "ext4" and the full volume-szize and additionally
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709351
The tools (not only df(1)) have to be fixed to de-duplic
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:41:11PM +0200, Iain Arnell wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Petr Pisar wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 07:17:45PM -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
> >> Fedora Fails To Build From Source Results for x86_64
> >> using rawhide from 2011-06-16
> >>
> >
> > These are th
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Summary: FTBFS perl-Net-SSH-Perl-1.34-11.fc16
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=715699
Summary: FTBFS perl-Net-SSH-Perl-1.34-11.fc16
Product: Fedora
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 03:03:12PM +0200, Mattias Ellert wrote:
> ons 2011-06-22 klockan 19:17 -0500 skrev Matt Domsch:
> > Fedora Fails To Build From Source Results for x86_64
> > using rawhide from 2011-06-16
> >
> > Good hunting!
>
>
> > lcgdm-1.8.0.1-7.fc16 (build/make) ellert,stevetraylen
>
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Summary: FTBFS ocaml-cmigrep-1.5-16.fc13
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=715635
Summary: FTBFS ocaml-cmigrep-1.5-16.fc13
Product: Fedora
commit c78e3495069c3ee430df607fa649260d7c542aba
Author: Petr Písař
Date: Thu Jun 23 16:30:23 2011 +0200
Remove explicit Require
perl-Padre.spec |2 --
1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Padre.spec b/perl-Padre.spec
index 32f1580..1d1d652 100644
---
commit 939d3664c08876efb0adc6c755478661f24994e9
Author: Petr Písař
Date: Thu Jun 23 16:26:25 2011 +0200
Filter underspecified dependencies
Unversioned only.
perl-Padre.spec | 30 +-
1 files changed, 29 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/p
Hello,
http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/return-list-of-files-not-owned-by-any-package/
might be helpful to identify obsolete config files.
Greetings
On 06/23/2011 04:20 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 23.06.2011 15:19, schrieb Tom Hughes:
>> On 23/06/11 14:08, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>
>>
Matthew Garrett srcf.ucam.org> writes:
> ...
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Trusted_Boot is a proposed
> feature for F16.
> ...
Hi,
there will be some posts on Fedora users and testers lists, so please take
a look.
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-June/400539.htm
Am 23.06.2011 15:19, schrieb Tom Hughes:
> On 23/06/11 14:08, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
>> /etc/inittab is an odd case due to the switchover to systemd, and in
>> fact should probibly be removed or replaced with a placeholder at some
>> point.
>
> It is - on my F15 boxes it looks like this:
>
> # i
commit 76ed10770050ec5eb7207100de2acfa6991eb4c4
Author: Petr Písař
Date: Thu Jun 23 16:09:52 2011 +0200
Update dependencies based on META.yml
perl-Padre.spec |4 ++--
1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Padre.spec b/perl-Padre.spec
index 40c8d4a..4ea
commit 246e28bd00bfa5581dec7228c37ccfaf5a1baf28
Author: Petr Písař
Date: Thu Jun 23 15:58:50 2011 +0200
Unify dependencies comments
perl-Padre.spec | 18 +-
1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Padre.spec b/perl-Padre.spec
index 4989761.
commit 6d8317140c264d0cd325ba7a438c14a2fb546027
Author: Petr Písař
Date: Thu Jun 23 15:58:07 2011 +0200
Update dependencies
perl-Padre.spec | 60 +++
1 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 48 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Padre.spec b
commit 7043fa6460ea1e2e45d093aa4d40fcc4cd8ca3d8
Author: Petr Písař
Date: Thu Jun 23 14:27:24 2011 +0200
Remove stray comment from spec file
perl-Padre.spec |1 -
1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Padre.spec b/perl-Padre.spec
index c99b644..dd835aa
On 06/23/2011 08:49 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 23.06.2011 14:10, schrieb Steve Clark:
On 06/23/2011 03:29 AM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
Steve Clark writes:
If your are concerned with boot times suspend to disk!
Suspend to disk is dead slow even with an SSD. That really is no
alternative.
Susp
On 23/06/11 22:53, Alexander Kurtakov wrote:
> maintainers of most of the stack are slightly moving it to maven 3 only. We
Hey Alex, is that supposed to be slowly ?
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On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:58:22PM +0200, yersinia wrote:
> Perhaps it is of interest to this list that Phonorix has produced a new
> benchmark about the performance impact of SELinux on
> Fedora 15. Look very good
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_15_selinux&num=2.
Spoil
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On 06/23/2011 08:58 AM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> On 23/06/11 12:28, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> On Thu, 23.06.11 12:58, yersinia (yersinia.spi...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Perhaps it is of interest to this list that Phonorix has produce
On 06/23/2011 06:38 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> The sirius project web page has vanished and I haven't been able to find
> a new one. Should I comment out the old URL and source0 definitions
> and have source0 just be the archive name?
>
> Other than needing a DSO linking fix, the game seems to wo
The sirius project web page has vanished and I haven't been able to find
a new one. Should I comment out the old URL and source0 definitions
and have source0 just be the archive name?
Other than needing a DSO linking fix, the game seems to work, so I don't
see a need to drop the package.
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On 23/06/11 14:08, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> /etc/inittab is an odd case due to the switchover to systemd, and in
> fact should probibly be removed or replaced with a placeholder at some
> point.
It is - on my F15 boxes it looks like this:
# inittab is no longer used when using systemd.
#
# ADDING CO
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:09:44 +0200
Reindl Harald wrote:
> is there any way to find on the system present but obsolete
> config-files automatically
>
> example: "/etc/inittab", present but since F15 ignored
>
> an automatic list would be a good start-point to find changes
> and look where are th
Am 23.06.2011 14:10, schrieb Steve Clark:
> On 06/23/2011 03:29 AM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
>> Steve Clark writes:
>>
>>> If your are concerned with boot times suspend to disk!
>> Suspend to disk is dead slow even with an SSD. That really is no
>> alternative.
>>
>> Suspend to RAM is nice when it w
is there any way to find on the system present but obsolete
config-files automatically
example: "/etc/inittab", present but since F15 ignored
an automatic list would be a good start-point to find changes
and look where are the replacements
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commit 0ab17b2dd8c56f5cfca94e2a27a6845425fbea21
Author: Marcela Mašláňová
Date: Thu Jun 23 15:03:55 2011 +0200
Perl mass rebuild
perl-Test-Warn.spec |5 -
1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Test-Warn.spec b/perl-Test-Warn.spec
index f787deb..467
ons 2011-06-22 klockan 19:17 -0500 skrev Matt Domsch:
> Fedora Fails To Build From Source Results for x86_64
> using rawhide from 2011-06-16
>
> Good hunting!
> lcgdm-1.8.0.1-7.fc16 (build/make) ellert,stevetraylen
This is already resolved (by an update of CGSI-gSOAP). The package built
fine on
On 23/06/11 12:28, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Thu, 23.06.11 12:58, yersinia (yersinia.spi...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Perhaps it is of interest to this list that Phonorix has produced a new
>> benchmark about the performance impact of SELinux on
>> Fedora 15. Look very good
>> ht
Hi everyone,
Fedora is transitioning to using Maven 3 by default. Up until now it was
working because a lot of things were bringing maven2 into the build system.
Maven2 was part of Fedora for more ~5 years - long enough time to get a lot of
crap accumulated. We are slowly fixing issues as they
On 06/23/2011 03:29 AM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
Steve Clark writes:
If your are concerned with boot times suspend to disk!
Suspend to disk is dead slow even with an SSD. That really is no
alternative.
Suspend to RAM is nice when it works which is about 4 times out of 5 on
this laptop. (A great
> On 06/22/2011 03:01 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
>>
>
>>> Outside that, is there any other impact? Does tboot perform any
>>> verification of the kernels, and if so how is that configured? Is the
>>> expectation that an install configured with TXT will only boot trusted
>>> kernels, and if so what mech
commit 1851265c73f82cb989af0d64e4db81f970eb2d14
Author: Marcela Mašláňová
Date: Thu Jun 23 13:29:56 2011 +0200
Try rebuild without and then with test. It does work locally.
perl-IO-Tty.spec |2 +-
1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-IO-Tty.spec b/per
On Thu, 23.06.11 12:58, yersinia (yersinia.spi...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Greetings
>
> Perhaps it is of interest to this list that Phonorix has produced a new
> benchmark about the performance impact of SELinux on
> Fedora 15. Look very good
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedor
Greetings
Perhaps it is of interest to this list that Phonorix has produced a new
benchmark about the performance impact of SELinux on
Fedora 15. Look very good
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora_15_selinux&num=2.
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> * #607 F16Feature: Perl 5.14 (ajax, 18:09:12)
> * AGREED: feature is approved (ajax, 18:12:27)
For the record the pending feature is about Trusted boot:
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/608
> * AGREED: feature is tentatively declined pending demonstration that
> it works without
Hello guys,
Is it possible to avoid the error I get in my build [1]? When I build on
my machine using mock for different architectures, the rpmdiff is happy.
Apparently, the issues is due to differences in underlying file systems
and therefore in order of generating of documentation. However, a
On 06/23/2011 01:17 AM, Matt Domsch wrote:
> Fedora Fails To Build From Source Results for x86_64
> using rawhide from 2011-06-16
>
> Good hunting!
...
> pghmcfc: milter-regex,perl-Net-SSH-Perl,spamass-milter
milter-regex and spamass-milter failed to build because of a broken
libdb dependency i
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:57:58PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> * #563 suggested policy: all daemons must set RELRO and PIE flags
> (ajax, 17:53:41)
> * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/93 (nirik, 17:54:34)
> * ACTION: nirik to come up with guidelines for next week (ajax,
> 18
commit 51022e22beaf5897b1687a165633f2314baab39b
Author: Paul Howarth
Date: Thu Jun 23 09:43:07 2011 +0100
Update fix for spell check test again
.gitignore|2 +-
Net-SSH-Perl-1.34-stopwords.patch | 36 --
perl-Net-SSH-Perl.spec
On 23 June 2011 01:19, Matt Domsch wrote:
> Fedora Fails To Build From Source Results for i386
> using rawhide from 2011-06-16
Most of my packages are failing like this:
In file included from /usr/include/pango-1.0/pango/pango-gravity.h:98:0,
from /usr/include/pango-1.0/pango/pa
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 21:55 -0400, Eric Paris wrote:
> On 06/22/2011 03:02 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Trusted_Boot is a proposed
> > feature for F16. We've traditionally had a hard objection to the
> > functionality because it required either the distri
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 07:17:45PM -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
> virt-mem-0.3.1-9.fc12 (build/make) rjones,virtmaint
This is a dead.package, or if it's not then it's supposed to be dead.
Rich.
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Steve Clark writes:
> If your are concerned with boot times suspend to disk!
Suspend to disk is dead slow even with an SSD. That really is no
alternative.
Suspend to RAM is nice when it works which is about 4 times out of 5 on
this laptop. (A great improvement over a few years ago, by the way).
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