Re: SPDY in F18 (was Re: F17 httpd 2.4?)

2012-03-27 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
On 03/27/2012 09:46 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > W dniu 21 marca 2012 15:13 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski > napisał: >> 2012/3/21 Peter Robinson : > [..] >>> There's nothing stopping you from packaging up mod_spdy or any other >>> modules that add support for the protocol. >> >> I will try tomorr

Re: Meeting minutes FESCo (2012-03-26)

2012-03-27 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 14:33 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > >> >> If you think this is a good example, I'll edit the page to fix those >> >> issues. >> >> >> >> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-March/163885.html >> > >> > I'd

Re: SPDY in F18 (was Re: F17 httpd 2.4?)

2012-03-27 Thread Michał Piotrowski
W dniu 21 marca 2012 15:13 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski napisał: > 2012/3/21 Peter Robinson : [..] >> There's nothing stopping you from packaging up mod_spdy or any other >> modules that add support for the protocol. > > I will try tomorrow - I've got mod_fcgid package sources for reference. > > W

Re: Meeting minutes FESCo (2012-03-26)

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 14:33 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > >> If you think this is a good example, I'll edit the page to fix those > >> issues. > >> > >> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-March/163885.html > > > > I'd probably pick one which doesn't have an extra 'note' in the subje

Re: Meeting minutes FESCo (2012-03-26)

2012-03-27 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 13:48 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 13:19 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Adam Williamson >> >> wrote:

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/27/2012 05:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: I think "removing the legacy cruft" just for the goal of removing it is not helpful at all and is actually the main cause of "half baked", "half removed" stuff in Fedora. Interesting how did you come to that conclusion? I assume that that mod_acces

Re: Meeting minutes FESCo (2012-03-26)

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 13:48 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 13:19 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Adam Williamson > >> wrote: > >> > On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 21:17 +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wr

Re: Meeting minutes FESCo (2012-03-26)

2012-03-27 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 13:19 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 21:17 +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: >> > >> > Could I suggest that, if FESCo is going to have a di

Re: Fwd: Connotation analysis for Fedora Project codenames

2012-03-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Kevin Kofler wrote: My proposal is to just stop using release codenames NOW, including removing the name for Fedora 17 +1 The names are useless. I can't even remember them because they seem so arbitrary. At least the names on Ubuntu give you some indication of which is ol

[perl-Net-Twitter] Initial import (#611372).

2012-03-27 Thread Julian C. Dunn
commit 3c2e5d5cee03f667c90e2ef78dcc6410299bf437 Author: Julian C. Dunn Date: Tue Mar 27 14:42:59 2012 -0400 Initial import (#611372). .gitignore|1 + perl-Net-Twitter.spec | 82 + sources |1 + 3 files cha

File Net-Twitter-3.18001.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by jdunn

2012-03-27 Thread Julian C. Dunn
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Net-Twitter: 88665d245f72b48ee87817edb5906d00 Net-Twitter-3.18001.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ma

Re: Meeting minutes FESCo (2012-03-26)

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 13:19 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 21:17 +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > > > Could I suggest that, if FESCo is going to have a different chair each > > week, you at least have an SOP for arran

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Remi Collet
Le 27/03/2012 18:18, Joe Orton a écrit : > Yup - the default config in the f18 httpd does load mod_access_compat, > and I don't see a problem with shipping like that. > > It would be good to convert webapps over for f18, having said that. It seems that mod_access_compat doesn't really work as e

Re: Dependencies on Bodhi Updates

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 15:53 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > So I really see two options for improving these situations: > 1) https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/663 I opened this ticket two > months ago (to silence). The idea would be to add the ability for bodhi > updates to mark other update

Re: orphaning bibus

2012-03-27 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 16:44 -0400, Alex Lancaster wrote: > Pkgdb link: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/bibus > > I kept myself on as a co-maintainer, but it deserves a more > proactive main owner. Hi Alex, I've taken ownership: Thank you for maintaining it so far :) -- Tha

Re: Meeting minutes FESCo (2012-03-26)

2012-03-27 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 21:17 +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > > Could I suggest that, if FESCo is going to have a different chair each > week, you at least have an SOP for arranging the meetings, so that this > kind of thing is done consist

Re: Meeting minutes FESCo (2012-03-26)

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 21:17 +0200, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: Could I suggest that, if FESCo is going to have a different chair each week, you at least have an SOP for arranging the meetings, so that this kind of thing is done consistently? Just in the last two weeks we've had a FESCo meeting annou

Re: Need help with writing a yum plugin

2012-03-27 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2012-03-25 at 14:51 +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm trying to write a yum plug-in: wait-for-kmod >> >> For quite a few users, the kmods from RPMFusion are a must. Take >> broadcom wireless for example. Now, the kmods g

Re: Need help with writing a yum plugin

2012-03-27 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 11:03 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > That's what the akmods are for... Maybe, but the akmods are not usable in all cases. For instance, you don't want akmods on servers, specially since it pulls in GCC. The akmods do fail once in a while, when the changes between kernels

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 21:16 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Umm ... okay. > > > > Any particular reason? > > Kickstarts are not very user-friendly nor convenient (unless you have > several machines to install with identical installs, which is what they were > inve

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:41:18PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > Perhaps, like Ubuntu's installer, the graphical part of Anaconda > > > should concentrate on doing the simple stuff, and leave everything

Re: Need help with writing a yum plugin

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2012-03-25 at 14:51 +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to write a yum plug-in: wait-for-kmod > > For quite a few users, the kmods from RPMFusion are a must. Take > broadcom wireless for example. Now, the kmods generally lag the kernel > updates by a few hours: people who do

Re: creating dynamic access control lists for a device: systemd and udev

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2012-03-25 at 13:22 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: > Or indeed, if anyone can show me where this is documented. All I've > managed to find with google are git commits and irrelevant mailing > list fragments. systemd-logind isn't documented, > /lib/udev/rules.d/70-uaccess.rules appears to deal wi

Re: Fwd: Connotation analysis for Fedora Project codenames

2012-03-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > This discussion started on the "board" list yet I know a lot of developers > have an opinion on the topic. Indeed. I and several others have pointed out this exact problem with the "Beefy Miracle" release name (namely that it is offensive to most of India) ever since

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 27 mars 2012 18:18, Joe Orton a écrit : > Yup - the default config in the f18 httpd does load mod_access_compat, > and I don't see a problem with shipping like that. However, this module does not seem to be installed on http yum updates -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@l

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2012/3/27 Joe Orton : > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 03:09:08PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: >> Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot said: >> > The following is going to kill pretty much every packaged webapp unless >> > they >> > are changed now: >> > >> > https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html#a

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > We are very good at inventing and implementing the latest and the > greatest but terribly at removing the legacy cruff at the same time, > which results in half baked implementation leaving various things in > "compat" mode and half removed from the distribution/insta

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> "JO" == Joe Orton writes: > > JO> Yup - the default config in the f18 httpd does load > JO> mod_access_compat, and I don't see a problem with shipping like > JO> that. > > This is good news, because even if we convert the httpd.

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "JO" == Joe Orton writes: JO> Yup - the default config in the f18 httpd does load JO> mod_access_compat, and I don't see a problem with shipping like JO> that. This is good news, because even if we convert the httpd.conf.d files in all of the packages, they're all marked %config(noreplace)

Re: Fwd: Standard ML in Fedora and in GSoC

2012-03-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 07:00:15PM +0530, Buddhike Kurera wrote: > Hello, > An idea found on the summer-coding list, please forward if you have > any idea, comment. More ML is better. Take a look at this link for the gory details of how to submit packages: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageM

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Pavel Alexeev
27.03.2012 20:18, Joe Orton написал: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 03:09:08PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot said: The following is going to kill pretty much every packaged webapp unless they are changed now: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html#access Did

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Joe Orton
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 03:09:08PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot said: > > The following is going to kill pretty much every packaged webapp unless they > > are changed now: > > > > https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html#access > > Did you read this part:

Re: Python i686 vs x86_64 -- for testing a python library

2012-03-27 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: >> Use a chroot or an i686 vm.  Or possibly just do rpmdev-extract on the i686 >> version and run it directly. > > I've been toying with a chroot via mock, but was awkward for a number

Re: Python i686 vs x86_64 -- for testing a python library

2012-03-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > Welcome to rpm.  ELF files have a wacky concept called "color", which means Color me impressed. That's one thing I didn't know! > Use a chroot or an i686 vm.  Or possibly just do rpmdev-extract on the i686 > version and run it directly. I'

Re: Python i686 vs x86_64 -- for testing a python library

2012-03-27 Thread Adam Jackson
On 3/27/12 10:39 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: I am diagnosing a bug/odditywith a python library that uses Pyrex and other oddities. In the course of that, I have installed python.i686 on my F16 x86_64 system, and I'm trying to run it and... no dice! According to rpm, python.x86_64 and python.i686

[Bug 802998] perl-POE-Component-Client-HTTP-0.945 is available

2012-03-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=802998 Petr Šabata changed: What|Removed |Added ---

Python i686 vs x86_64 -- for testing a python library

2012-03-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
I am diagnosing a bug/odditywith a python library that uses Pyrex and other oddities. In the course of that, I have installed python.i686 on my F16 x86_64 system, and I'm trying to run it and... no dice! According to rpm, python.x86_64 and python.i686 both own /usr/bin/python and /usr/bin/python2.

Fwd: Standard ML in Fedora and in GSoC

2012-03-27 Thread Buddhike Kurera
Hello, An idea found on the summer-coding list, please forward if you have any idea, comment. Thanks for the support ! Dear All, Buddhike Kurera suggested me to write my idea and send it to this mailing list. I am a functional programming advocate and would like to see Standard ML projects in

Re: Managing the GNOME updates in Fedora

2012-03-27 Thread Richard Hughes
On 26 March 2012 20:31, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Let's also mention our mass-update script: > https://fedorahosted.org/kde-settings/browser/scripts > which may or may not be of interest. Very much of interest, thanks. I spent a couple of hours and wrote mclazy, i.e. "I'm lazy and I'm trying to help

[Test-Announce] Test Day 2012-03-29: GNOME Shell Software Rendering

2012-03-27 Thread Kamil Paral
There will be a "GNOME Shell Software Rendering" Test Day on Thursday! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-03-29_Gnome_Shell_Software_Rendering Here's an introduction from Vitezslav Humpa, who's in charge of this event from QA perspective: This week brings a second installment of Fedor

F-17 Branched report: 20120327 changes

2012-03-27 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Mar 27 08:15:36 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [HippoDraw] HippoDraw-devel-1.21.3-2.fc17.i686 requires python-numarray HippoDraw-devel-1.21.3-2.fc17.x86_64 requires python-numarray HippoDraw-

Re: urandom vs haveged

2012-03-27 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 03/26/2012 11:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote: >> >> Well if you're just writing huge amounts of "random" data >> to clear existing space, then you don't need it to be cryptographically >> secure. >> Why are you doing this exactly? Would /dev/

Re: urandom vs haveged

2012-03-27 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 03/27/2012 05:23 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> So then the question is, if urandom is what's recommended, are faster >> substitutes just as good? If they are just as good, then why aren't they the >> first recommendation? And if this step

Re: Fwd: Connotation analysis for Fedora Project codenames

2012-03-27 Thread Andrew Haley
On 03/26/2012 11:01 PM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > As I already pointed out - the process is open. Anybody can step > into in the early phase of naming selection and comment the > potential problems. And I believe the Board members will think > about the concerns raised (at least me ;-). > > S

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 26 mars 2012 22:09, Chris Adams a écrit : > Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot said: >> The following is going to kill pretty much every packaged webapp unless they >> are changed now: >> >> https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html#access > > Did you read this part: > > "The old a

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-27 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/27/2012 12:53 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: I disagree. Since this is a major update that gets introduced together with a new Fedora version this opportunity should be used to make switches like these. Otherwise you'll be forced to either keep this compat stuff around for a long time (gi