Il giorno gio, 08/12/2011 alle 19.41 +0100, Martin Bacovsky ha scritto:
> On 12/07/2011 09:50 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 02:23:05PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
>>[...]
> >
> > Except.. the URL is for a user visible string (just like a menu entry). At
> > least, that
On 12/07/2011 09:50 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 02:23:05PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
>> Il giorno sab, 03/12/2011 alle 22.58 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi ha scritto:
>>> Yep. This is a pseudo-bug. Because of the way people have been
>>> interpreting the spec for .desktop
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said:
> > > > As for repodata, you mention tags, but I can't find them here, in
> > > > primary, comps or other (and I don't see anything else in mirrors).
> > > >
> > > I hit a mirror and browsed around. Here's the one for the F16 x86_64
> > > update
> > >
On Wed, Dec 07, 2011 at 02:23:05PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> Il giorno sab, 03/12/2011 alle 22.58 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi ha scritto:
> > Yep. This is a pseudo-bug. Because of the way people have been
> > interpreting the spec for .desktop files, all of these provide .desktop
> > files whe
Il giorno sab, 03/12/2011 alle 22.58 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi ha scritto:
> On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 04:13:37PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> > Il giorno ven, 02/12/2011 alle 16.37 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi ha scritto:
> > > On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:39:31PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> > > >
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Is kappfinder just using the .desktop format to keep its own database?
Kappfinder is a relict from ancient times where KDE apps would only register
themselves in KDE menus, GNOME apps would only register themselves in GNOME
menus, and everything else would usually do nei
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Looking at the pkgdb page, it looks like kdebase is only showing up for
> the
> "Terminal" app for F-12. Looking at that old package, there is a .desktop
> that contains Name=Terminal there but it's not konsole:
>
>
./usr/share/kde4/apps/kappfinder/apps/System/Terminal
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 07:08:11PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > Yep. This is a pseudo-bug. Because of the way people have been
> > interpreting the spec for .desktop files, all of these provide .desktop
> > files where the name is "Terminal". So they're all placed on t
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> Yep. This is a pseudo-bug. Because of the way people have been
> interpreting the spec for .desktop files, all of these provide .desktop
> files where the name is "Terminal". So they're all placed on the same
> page. This could be fixed in the .desktop files (Judging fro
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 16:13 +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> curl -H "Accept: application/json"
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/applications/Terminal results in
> 500 Internal error
This one is not that is true and that can be fixed.
For an example of the json output see:
https://admin.
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 04:13:37PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> Il giorno ven, 02/12/2011 alle 16.37 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi ha scritto:
> > On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:39:31PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> > >
> > > packagedb seems an interesting project, for storing ratings and reviews,
>
Il giorno ven, 02/12/2011 alle 16.37 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi ha scritto:
> On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:39:31PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> >
> > packagedb seems an interesting project, for storing ratings and reviews,
> > and it could be a candidate to replace the Ubuntu backend. Is there some
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 10:13:49AM +0100, drago01 wrote:
>
> I don't buy the legal problem. If we can ship the icons in the
> distribution split into multiple packages we can ship them aggregated
> into one as well.
> You can't "link" icons so the license of the icons should and cannot
> prevent o
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:39:31PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
>>
>> packagedb seems an interesting project, for storing ratings and reviews,
>> and it could be a candidate to replace the Ubuntu backend. Is there some
>> documentation so
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:39:31PM +0100, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
>
> packagedb seems an interesting project, for storing ratings and reviews,
> and it could be a candidate to replace the Ubuntu backend. Is there some
> documentation somewhere? Does it provide some webservice API (REST,
> JSON, S
Il giorno ven, 02/12/2011 alle 22.33 +0100, Kevin Kofler ha scritto:
> Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> > Seeing enough positive feedback on this (and seeing that after all, it
> > works pretty well on my machine), I started an official Fedora 17
> > feature. You can find it at
> > https://fedoraproject.
Il giorno mar, 29/11/2011 alle 08.07 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi ha scritto:
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 02:23:31PM +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On 25 November 2011 23:31, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > These? app-install (and friends) still pending review it seems,
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_b
Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> Seeing enough positive feedback on this (and seeing that after all, it
> works pretty well on my machine), I started an official Fedora 17
> feature. You can find it at
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SoftwareCenter
>
> Comments of course welcome, before I move
On 12/01/2011 11:31 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> Seeing enough positive feedback on this (and seeing that after all, it
> works pretty well on my machine), I started an official Fedora 17
> feature. You can find it at
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SoftwareCenter
>
> Comments of cours
Seeing enough positive feedback on this (and seeing that after all, it
works pretty well on my machine), I started an official Fedora 17
feature. You can find it at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SoftwareCenter
Comments of course welcome, before I move this on to be ready for
wrangler.
G
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 02:23:31PM +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 25 November 2011 23:31, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > These? app-install (and friends) still pending review it seems,
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488962
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488968
> > If t
On 25 November 2011 23:31, Rex Dieter wrote:
> These? app-install (and friends) still pending review it seems,
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488962
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488968
> If the objections truly have been dropped, I'd be happy to help move this
> al
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 08:09 -0500, Chris Evich wrote:
> On 11/25/2011 06:18 PM, drago01 wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brendan Jones
> > wrote:
> >> On 11/26/2011 12:03 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> >>> As promised in my previous mail, here is what I find that's lacking in
> >>> Fe
On 11/25/2011 06:18 PM, drago01 wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brendan Jones
> wrote:
>> On 11/26/2011 12:03 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
>>> As promised in my previous mail, here is what I find that's lacking in
>>> Fedora, compared to the direct competition (Ubuntu, Debian, OpenSuse
Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> Well, I'm happy to see that some spec files are translated. In fact, I
> found out some packages have translations, but those are only visible
> from yum, not PackageKit (no matter how you insist).
That's odd. gpk-application displays them to me.
Björn Persson
signatu
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 09:46:59AM +0100, Simon Lukasik wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 05:09 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > On 11/28/2011 01:39 AM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> >>
> >> It is useful to point out that the space requirements are significant.
> >>
> >> You would want an implementation that does _not_
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Simon Lukasik
wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 05:09 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 11/28/2011 01:39 AM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>>>
>>> It is useful to point out that the space requirements are significant.
>>>
>>> You would want an implementation that does _not_ store all thi
On 11/28/2011 05:09 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 01:39 AM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>>
>> It is useful to point out that the space requirements are significant.
>>
>> You would want an implementation that does _not_ store all this
>> information on installed systems.
>>
>> Separate the adve
On 11/28/2011 01:39 AM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>
> It is useful to point out that the space requirements are significant.
>
> You would want an implementation that does _not_ store all this
> information on installed systems.
>
> Separate the advertising part from the packaging part. Make the
> adv
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 02:06:51AM +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> > > Can someone help me understand whats being asked for here? I can
> > > only
> > > guess that I'm not the only person confused by this thread.
> >
> > Icons. The only thing I can see that Giovanni has m
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> Removing the screenshots, icons, popularity vote results etc etc
> post-install is not a good solution. These things should be available
> when someone wants to look at them, not installed by default.
>
> The mechanisms to look at them should
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:19:21 +0100
Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> The fedora-app-install review was brought to FESCo
> (https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/469), which agreed to ship the
> package, but then nothing happened.
Just to be clear, FESCo agreed that the package could be shipped. ;)
Noth
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:02:14 +0100
drago01 wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Reindl Harald
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 27.11.2011 21:09, schrieb Bernd Stramm:
> >
> If implemented the wrong way, what's wrong with screenshots
> is bloat.
> >>>
> >>> If implemented wrong, everything
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 27.11.2011 21:09, schrieb Bernd Stramm:
>
If implemented the wrong way, what's wrong with screenshots
is bloat.
>>>
>>> If implemented wrong, everything can be wrong. That's just a truism
>>> and not a useful review of any p
Am 27.11.2011 21:09, schrieb Bernd Stramm:
>>> If implemented the wrong way, what's wrong with screenshots
>>> is bloat.
>>
>> If implemented wrong, everything can be wrong. That's just a truism
>> and not a useful review of any proposal.
>
> It is useful to point out that the space requir
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:09:46 +0530
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 12:01 AM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> >
> > Call me elitist then, I think it is better when more people can
> > read, and when they actually do it.
>
> Unfortunately for someone talking about so much about the important of
> rea
On 11/27/2011 04:47 PM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> I knew about that, and that's in fact what I'm starting from, although
> the big problem is obtaining the metadata, not showing it.
So, the next logical question would be, how does openSUSE solve this?
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Il giorno dom, 27/11/2011 alle 18.47 +0100, Björn Persson ha scritto:
> Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> > We also need translations (that are in .desktop files
> > but not in .spec files),
>
> Looky here, a spec file with translations:
> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=mine_detector.git;a=blob;
On 11/28/2011 12:01 AM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>
> Call me elitist then, I think it is better when more people can read,
> and when they actually do it.
Unfortunately for someone talking about so much about the important of
reading, you don't seem to be reading about the proposal much. Its not
limi
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:33 +0530
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 11/27/2011 09:20 PM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>
> >
> > I think this is going a little far. Saying that people are better
> > off being able to read is not elitist.
>
> Yes it is. Because you are assuming that it is because people have
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 02:06:51AM +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> > Can someone help me understand whats being asked for here? I can only
> > guess that I'm not the only person confused by this thread.
>
> Icons. The only thing I can see that Giovanni has mentioned that Pac
Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> We also need translations (that are in .desktop files
> but not in .spec files),
Looky here, a spec file with translations:
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=mine_detector.git;a=blob;f=mine_detector.spec;h=294bcf4148789afb1ba7bb7b11971e231e001061;hb=master
Making
On 11/27/2011 09:20 PM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>
> I think this is going a little far. Saying that people are better off
> being able to read is not elitist.
Yes it is. Because you are assuming that it is because people have
trouble reading. I can read just fine but I would love to have
screensho
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:00:45 +0530
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 11/27/2011 08:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 27.11.2011 14:31, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
> >> On 11/27/2011 07:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>
> >>> well, if people who not going to read any textes are the primary
> >>> ta
On 11/27/2011 08:48 PM, Heiko Adams wrote:
>>
> And a "software center" is IMHO walking in the wrong direction. The
> packagemanagement system is Linux biggest advantage for normal users.
Do you understand that software centre is just a UI on top of the
package manager + additional metadata like
On 11/27/2011 08:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 27.11.2011 14:31, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
>> On 11/27/2011 07:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>> well, if people who not going to read any textes are the primary
>>> target of a operationg system this world is going down
>>
>> Welcome to the r
Il giorno dom, 27/11/2011 alle 16.18 +0100, Heiko Adams ha scritto:
> Am 27.11.2011 16:01, schrieb Reindl Harald:
> >
> >
> > Am 27.11.2011 14:31, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
> >> On 11/27/2011 07:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>
> >>> well, if people who not going to read any textes are the
> >>> p
Am 27.11.2011 16:01, schrieb Reindl Harald:
>
>
> Am 27.11.2011 14:31, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
>> On 11/27/2011 07:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>> well, if people who not going to read any textes are the
>>> primary target of a operationg system this world is going down
>>
>> Welcome to the
Am 27.11.2011 14:31, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
> On 11/27/2011 07:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> well, if people who not going to read any textes are the primary
>> target of a operationg system this world is going down
>
> Welcome to the real world.
i know and it is sad enough as it is now
b
On 11/27/2011 07:01 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> well, if people who not going to read any textes are the primary
> target of a operationg system this world is going down
Welcome to the real world.
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Il giorno ven, 25/11/2011 alle 17.31 -0600, Rex Dieter ha scritto:
> Giovanni Campagna wrote:
>
> > Long long ago (march 2009), a package was proposed for inclusion, which
> > contained application data, in a format understood by software-center,
> > for fedora at that time. This package was initi
Il giorno sab, 26/11/2011 alle 10.05 +0530, Rahul Sundaram ha scritto:
> On 11/26/2011 04:33 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
>
> > I hope that some people from the relevant group will point me to the
> > right place (perhaps starting from what happened to
> > fedora-app-install...), and I hope you li
Il giorno dom, 27/11/2011 alle 03.08 -0500, Aleksandar Kurtakov ha
scritto:
> [...]
>
>
> IIRC and think about the same package - this was a package containing data
> that is part of repos metadata,
> without any idea how it would be for kept uptodate with latest packages. From
> time to time
Il giorno dom, 27/11/2011 alle 02.06 +0100, Björn Persson ha scritto:
> Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> > Can someone help me understand whats being asked for here? I can only
> > guess that I'm not the only person confused by this thread.
>
> Icons. The only thing I can see that Giovanni has mentioned t
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:26:44 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
(3) He is not going to wait for installation of new games to try them.
He wants to just click and run the game - like he does with Flash games,
immediately.
I have no problem running there:
yum --setopt 'group_package_type
- Original Message -
> From: "Giovanni Campagna"
> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:03:27 AM
> Subject: A software center for Fedora
>
> As promised in my previous mail, here is what I find that's lacking
>
Am 27.11.2011 02:26, schrieb Jan Kratochvil:
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:40:58 +0100, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>> Here is what my F14 laptop has:
>> http://people.xiph.org/~greg/packagekit.png
>>
>> It can be configured to only show end-user graphical applications
>
> That's not enough. I use my gra
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:40:58 +0100, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> Here is what my F14 laptop has:
> http://people.xiph.org/~greg/packagekit.png
>
> It can be configured to only show end-user graphical applications
That's not enough. I use my grandfather unaffected by prior MS-Windows
experience as a
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> Can someone help me understand whats being asked for here? I can only
> guess that I'm not the only person confused by this thread.
Icons. The only thing I can see that Giovanni has mentioned that Packagekit
doesn't provide is icons. Presumably he wants each application's
Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> While we do have two nice UIs (gpk-application and apper) for package
> management, having to deal with packages, with no icons and no
> translations is not appropriate for end users.
We do have translations of the fields that it's meaningful to translate –
summary and
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Laurin wrote:
> I totally agree with you, a software center would be a really nice idea,
> also for more experienced user because they can browse easily through the
> available software and may find something interesting.
I am really confused by this thread.
Here
Reindl Harald wrote:
> the biggest benefit of a linux-distribution is a consistent
> package-managment with straight dependencies and centralized repos, if you
> mean a additionak GUI for this -> fine
>
> if we speak about crap installing applications outside the rpm-database it
> would be the wor
On 11/26/2011 05:07 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 26.11.2011 00:28, schrieb Giovanni Campagna:
>> Or you have any reason to say that this is idea is stupid?
>
> the biggest benefit of a linux-distribution is a consistent package-managment
> with straight dependencies and centralized repos, i
Am 26.11.2011 00:28, schrieb Giovanni Campagna:
> Or you have any reason to say that this is idea is stupid?
the biggest benefit of a linux-distribution is a consistent package-managment
with straight dependencies and centralized repos, if you mean a additionak GUI
for this -> fine
if we speak
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Am 26.11.2011 00:03, schrieb Giovanni Campagna:
> I hope that some people from the relevant group will point me to the
> right place (perhaps starting from what happened to
> fedora-app-install...), and I hope you like the idea in general.
>
> Giovann
Il giorno sab, 26/11/2011 alle 01.27 +0100, Florian Müllner ha scritto:
> While I agree that our app-install story sucks, I'm far less convinced that
> we need yet-another-downstream solution.
This is not really a downstream solution. Since OpenSuse GSoC 2011,
software-center can interact with Pac
On 25/11/11 23:24, Heiko Adams wrote:
>
> Would you jump from a building too if ubuntu guys are doing?
> In other words: copying every idea - no matter how stupid - just
> because ubuntu is doing it, doesn't bring any benifit to fedora IMHO.
> Or do we already have unity as primary desktop too, lik
On 11/26/2011 04:33 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> I hope that some people from the relevant group will point me to the
> right place (perhaps starting from what happened to
> fedora-app-install...), and I hope you like the idea in general.
>
> Giovanni
You want to start here
http://alex.eftimi
Florian Müllner wrote:
> While I agree that our app-install story sucks, I'm far less convinced
> that we need yet-another-downstream solution.
We indeed don't need one, Apper has all the required support upstream, we
just need to get it in. (That's in fact one of the reasons why it got
renamed
While I agree that our app-install story sucks, I'm far less convinced that
we need yet-another-downstream solution.
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Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> While we do have two nice UIs (gpk-application and apper) for package
> management, having to deal with packages, with no icons and no
> translations is not appropriate for end users. Instead, I think it would
> be appriopriate to follow the Ubuntu path and recognize the
Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> Long long ago (march 2009), a package was proposed for inclusion, which
> contained application data, in a format understood by software-center,
> for fedora at that time. This package was initially rejected, then one
> year later FESCo ruled that it did not actually bre
Il giorno sab, 26/11/2011 alle 00.24 +0100, Heiko Adams ha scritto:
> Am 26.11.2011 00:18, schrieb drago01:
> > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brendan Jones
> > wrote:
> >> On 11/26/2011 12:03 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> >>> As promised in my previous mail, here is what I find that's
> >>>
>
> Since this is free software, we already have a complete software center
> available, straight from launchpad.net/software-center.
> (Actually, it doesn't yet work on Fedora, partly because of unmet
> dependencies, but those are just technical bugs, and I don't think it
> would be difficult to h
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Am 26.11.2011 00:18, schrieb drago01:
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brendan Jones
> wrote:
>> On 11/26/2011 12:03 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
>>> As promised in my previous mail, here is what I find that's
>>> lacking in Fedora, compared to
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Brendan Jones
wrote:
> On 11/26/2011 12:03 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
>> As promised in my previous mail, here is what I find that's lacking in
>> Fedora, compared to the direct competition (Ubuntu, Debian, OpenSuse),
>> and recently even some proprietary system
On 11/26/2011 12:03 AM, Giovanni Campagna wrote:
> As promised in my previous mail, here is what I find that's lacking in
> Fedora, compared to the direct competition (Ubuntu, Debian, OpenSuse),
> and recently even some proprietary systems: we don't have an application
> installer.
Are we in a rac
As promised in my previous mail, here is what I find that's lacking in
Fedora, compared to the direct competition (Ubuntu, Debian, OpenSuse),
and recently even some proprietary systems: we don't have an application
installer.
While we do have two nice UIs (gpk-application and apper) for package
man
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