Hey!
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 20:34, Piotr Szubiakowski wrote:
> > I think we all have a problem understanding what this announcement
> > means. I do believe CentOS Stream is awesome software. It has to be
> > since it's close to what RHEL is. My problem with CentOS Stream is
> > that
> > it's not
On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 20:34, Piotr Szubiakowski wrote:
> I think we all have a problem understanding what this announcement
> means. I do believe CentOS Stream is awesome software. It has to be
> since it's close to what RHEL is. My problem with CentOS Stream is that
> it's not a distribution of my
Dne 03. 07. 23 v 16:13 Leon Fauster via devel napsal(a):
Am 03.07.23 um 00:41 schrieb Michael Catanzaro:
On Sun, Jul 2 2023 at 08:33:46 AM -0700, Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez
wrote:
Hi Michael,
We have been told repeatedly that "the source is there" in CentOS
stream.
The source for the ne
Am 03.07.23 um 00:41 schrieb Michael Catanzaro:
On Sun, Jul 2 2023 at 08:33:46 AM -0700, Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez
wrote:
Hi Michael,
We have been told repeatedly that "the source is there" in CentOS
stream.
The source for the next minor version is there.
I can see the scenario that RH
On Sun, Jul 2 2023 at 08:33:46 AM -0700, Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez
wrote:
Hi Michael,
We have been told repeatedly that "the source is there" in CentOS
stream.
The source for the next minor version is there.
I can see the scenario that RH branches from CentOS stream to
create a new mino
Hi Michael,
We have been told repeatedly that "the source is there" in CentOS
stream. I can see the scenario that RH branches from CentOS stream to
create a new minor release, and during QA, a bug is discovered and a
patch is backported (or created) to fix it internally in your minor
release
On Fri, Jun 30 2023 at 11:09:41 AM -0700, Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez
wrote:
Going forward, you will see those patches contributions going into
Centos stream first, and they will be accepted by RH engineers, and
then
they will end up in CentOS Stream distro first, and finally in RHEL.
Just fo
On 7/1/23 12:33, Piotr Szubiakowski wrote:
I think we all have a problem understanding what this announcement
means. I do believe CentOS Stream is awesome software. It has to be
since it's close to what RHEL is. My problem with CentOS Stream is that
it's not a distribution of my choice, and I
On Fri, 2023-06-30 at 15:05 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> First I think this a storm in a teacup .
I tend to agree. In the worst-case scenario, people like me who try to
use open-source solely and don't pay for open-source will find a
distribution that fits them best. And from Red Hat's perspectiv
Leslie Satenstein via devel wrote:
> What should I do, if the person I gave the software to, removes my
> copyright, rebrands the software and sells my software as their own? Is it
> right? And when I release a bug fix, they take it, insert the fix into the
> rebranded copy they are selling, and th
That's not what is happening on those patches, Leslie. The RH engineers
are adding the patches to the package which is basically how backporting
works (as in all distros that do it), and then adding themselves as the
maintainers that added the patches. Well documented as it should. They
did not
Hi Leon.
I replied inline.
Leslie Satenstein
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 11:16:48 a.m. EDT, Leon Fauster via devel
wrote:
Am 30.06.23 um 15:41 schrieb Leslie Satenstein via devel:
> What should I do, if the person I gave the software to, removes my
> copyright, rebrands
Am 30.06.23 um 15:41 schrieb Leslie Satenstein via devel:
What should I do, if the person I gave the software to, removes my
copyright, rebrands the software and sells my software as their own?
Is it right? And when I release a bug fix, they take it, insert the
fix into the rebr
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 01:41:18PM +, Leslie Satenstein via devel wrote:
> What should I do, if the person I gave the software to, removes my
> copyright, rebrands the software and sells my software as their own?
> Is it right? And when I release a bug fix, they take it, insert the
> fix int
Am 30.06.23 um 16:05 schrieb Sérgio Basto:
On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 23:57 +, Piotr Szubiakowski wrote:
Hey!
On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 19:12 +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
On 6/26/23 18:47, Jeff Law wrote:
What Red Hat has done may be technically legal and perhaps
good
for
its business.
Somethin
On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 23:57 +, Piotr Szubiakowski wrote:
> Hey!
>
> On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 19:12 +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >
> > > > On 6/26/23 18:47, Jeff Law wrote:
> > > > > What Red Hat has done may be technically legal and perhaps
> > > > > good
> > > > > for
> > > > > its business.
>
I agree with RH's decision.
I write software and release it as gpl3, source, it and all build Makefiles! I
give it out, and to those, I ask, only to provide me with bug reports or some
patch ideas to make the offering better.
What should I do, if the person I gave the software to, removes
Hey!
On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 19:12 +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>
> > > On 6/26/23 18:47, Jeff Law wrote:
> > > > What Red Hat has done may be technically legal and perhaps good
> > > > for
> > > > its business.
> >
> > Something I'm having trouble with is Red Hat's position that
> > you can choose
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 6:41 PM Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> > On 6/26/23 18:47, Jeff Law wrote:
> >> What Red Hat has done may be technically legal and perhaps good for
> >> its business. However, to me it's ethically unconscionable. Those
> >> who know me know I'm not an
On 6/26/23 18:47, Jeff Law wrote:
What Red Hat has done may be technically legal and perhaps good for
its business.
Something I'm having trouble with is Red Hat's position that
you can choose to be a customer or to exercise your rights
under the GPL, but you cannot be both.
The thing is, many
Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> On 6/26/23 18:47, Jeff Law wrote:
>> What Red Hat has done may be technically legal and perhaps good for
>> its business. However, to me it's ethically unconscionable. Those
>> who know me know I'm not an zealot, but I do have a baseline set of
>> ethical values and Red
Am 29.06.23 um 17:49 schrieb Carlos O'Donell:
On 6/26/23 18:47, Jeff Law wrote:
What Red Hat has done may be technically legal and perhaps good for
its business. However, to me it's ethically unconscionable. Those
who know me know I'm not an zealot, but I do have a baseline set of
ethical val
On 6/26/23 18:47, Jeff Law wrote:
> What Red Hat has done may be technically legal and perhaps good for
> its business. However, to me it's ethically unconscionable. Those
> who know me know I'm not an zealot, but I do have a baseline set of
> ethical values and Red Hat crossed that line.
Why i
> I have no illusions that this message is going to change anything at Red
> Hat.
It's not really for us as community members to identify a business path and
that is a convenience factor that we typically rely upon to work on things that
begin as experimental and a learning path only to grow
There was a time when IBM had a popular PC but no popular OS.
Now IBM has a popular OS but no popular PC.
Just an observation.
---
Lee
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 10:24 PM Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
>
> Jeff Law writes:
>
> > [...]
> > First a bit of background. I came to Red Hat via the Cygnus
> >
Jeff Law writes:
> [...]
> First a bit of background. I came to Red Hat via the Cygnus
> acquisition. [...]
>
> One could see signs of where this was going with the adjustments that
> were made to the exposed RHEL kernel sources some time ago. Then the
> dissolution of CentOS a couple years b
The distros that provide commercial support beside RedHat have been sort
of doing something similar. Canonical provides Ubuntu LTS, a distro with
5 years of development, and then additional 5 years of maintenance for
those with subscription. SUSE, also, 5 years major release support for
OpenS
Thanks for your writing. A well-balanced and very thoughtful and considered
opinion. But your final decision seems to me rather a short-coming.
> Am 27.06.2023 um 00:47 schrieb Jeff Law :
>
> ...
>
>
>
> What Red Hat has done recently is depressing, but not a huge surprise to me.
> Red Ha
I have no illusions that this message is going to change anything at Red
Hat. But I feel I need to get this off my chest. I'm speaking strictly
for myself, not for my current or any former employer, not for the GCC
project and not for any other group/organization I might have some
affiliation
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