Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Jan 24, 2013, at 9:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > 2x 80GB virtual disks, mkfs.btrfs -d raid1 -m raid1: > > # df -h > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sdb160G 56K 158G 1% /mnt Also, copying a 1G file to /mnt, and I end up with: # df -h Filesystem Siz

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Jan 24, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > > Well that's not the one I was thinking of, actually - I believe I was > hit by cases where some subvols use redundancy, in which case df goes > completely wrong. I'd have to re-install and re-check to be sure of > exactly what I saw go

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 19:56 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 24, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > Just about everything in btrfs is really different :) I'm still > wrapping > > my head around it too. But as far as possible, the 'legacy' tools > should > > show something as ac

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Jan 24, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Just about everything in btrfs is really different :) I'm still wrapping > my head around it too. But as far as possible, the 'legacy' tools should > show something as accurate and useful as they can, I believe. For mount, the only issue I

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 12:36 -0300, Reartes Guillermo wrote: > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/22555 > (Quota reached: can't delete) > > When you reach a quota limit, the first intuitive action one takes is > to delete something to make space. > But aparently (and currently)

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.btrfs/22555 (Quota reached: can't delete) When you reach a quota limit, the first intuitive action one takes is to delete something to make space. But aparently (and currently) with btrfs one needs to change the quota and then delete. I have not yet

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/23/2013 03:53 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 12:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Mistakenly left this paragraph incomplete, completion follows: I understand that btrfs is a Different Way Of Doing Things, but I don't think it flies to tell people 'yeah, the tools you've

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 2013-01-23 at 12:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Mistakenly left this paragraph incomplete, completion follows: > I understand that btrfs is a Different Way Of Doing Things, but I don't > think it flies to tell people 'yeah, the tools you've relied on for > simple info on filesystems for

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 09:53 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Hallo, > > for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the > standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered > because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was not available > on the stable state for Fedora 17. > > So, I would like t

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 18/01/13 16:12, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > The most helpful approach would be provide bug reports, when btrfs will > be proposed as a default file system (again). Without bug reports, real > numbers etc. is hard to make any decision. I don't wish to test on my > machine, so I would be glad for h

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 12:18 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Jochen Schmitt mailto:joc...@herr-schmitt.de>> wrote: Hallo, for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered because the fsck utitlities for b

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Friday, January 18, 2013 10:55:23 Przemek Klosowski wrote: > I used btrfs on my personal desktop for about a year now and it > works fine for me, other than a nagging suspicion that there's an > occasional performance problem at high load. Yes, this is familiar. I too have used it for over a y

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/19/2013 10:25 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: I am aware the best way to fix known Bugs is ... to just fix those Bugs. Maybe I am pronouncing the obvious, but I am wondering, whether you guys have a "required feature" list and a regression test-suite? At least to me, having both and complyi

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:57:38 +0100, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I wouldn't read it that rigidly. Its more along the lines of, its more > helpful to file bug reports and post them for discussions because its > easier to keep track of. I have already filed enough stopper Bugs for btrfs and nothing happ

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

Hi On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > Or in other words, don't bring up anything here unless it's not in > bugzilla, if it's not in bugzilla go and put it there before we'll > discuss it. > I wouldn't read it that rigidly. Its more along the lines of, its more helpful to file

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 18 January 2013 17:19, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 01/18/2013 10:50 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> I suggest sdfs as the new default filesystem, you cannot veto it, but >> highlighting critical bugs will be beneficial. Please post bugzilla links >> rather than descriptions of the issues. Or: Bugs a

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/18/2013 10:50 AM, Ian Malone wrote: I suggest sdfs as the new default filesystem, you cannot veto it, but highlighting critical bugs will be beneficial. Please post bugzilla links rather than descriptions of the issues. Or: Bugs are not a replacement for discussion. A discussion by def

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/17/2013 08:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 01/17/2013 07:00 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Yes, I'd veto btrfs as the default as well. I lost a huge chunk of data on a btrfs partition a while back, with *no* diagnostics, .. You don't have the power to veto it although highlighting cri

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 18 January 2013 01:19, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 01/17/2013 07:00 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> >> Yes, I'd veto btrfs as the default as well. I lost a huge chunk of >> data on a btrfs partition a while back, with *no* diagnostics, >> recovery tools, help from Google, etc. Screw speed -

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/18/2013 01:00 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Marc Deop Argemí wrote: On Wednesday 16 January 2013 12:18:19 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127 (performance problem with virtual machines) I must add that, in my

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/17/2013 07:00 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Yes, I'd veto btrfs as the default as well. I lost a huge chunk of data on a btrfs partition a while back, with *no* diagnostics, recovery tools, help from Google, etc. Screw speed - unless it's rock solid and *simple* to back up, maintain, di

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Marc Deop Argemí wrote: > On Wednesday 16 January 2013 12:18:19 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127 >> (performance problem with virtual machines) > > I must add that, in my experience, the performance is *bad* not only i

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wednesday 16 January 2013 12:18:19 Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=689127 > (performance problem with virtual machines) I must add that, in my experience, the performance is *bad* not only in virtual machines but in the whole user experience (I've been u

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 11:41 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 01/16/2013 04:23 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 1/16/13 10:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jan Kratochvil > wrote: It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:14:32PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > Has anyone tested subvolid=xxx works for rootfs yet? I know GRUB 2 > will not resolve subvolid, it essentially treats subvols as folders, > but does it only with pathnames, not ID number. If fstab uses > subvolid for boot, then boot fa

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Jan 16, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > I thought one of the biggest blockers was the lack of a complete and > stable fsck implementation for it. I think this is a poor metric for outsiders to require. ZFS has been stable for some time and does not have an fsck. A more important q

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

To make BTRFS (or any new file-system) the default for a distribution will be really hard. My thought on the subject: -1. IS IT STILL DESIRED TO MAKE BTRFS THE DEFAULT FILE-SYSTEM FOR FEDORA AT SOME (yet unknown) POINT IN THE FUTURE? 0. DETERMINE A ROOT FILE-SYSTEM CRITERIA (AND/OR a DEFAULT FS

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 09:53:25AM +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: >> Hallo, >> >> for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the >> standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered >> because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:13:07 +1030 William Brown wrote: > > > ID 258 gen 56580 top level 5 path /root > > I take it then that subvolid 258 is marked as "/" in your fstab? yes, via a subvol=root fstab entry. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

> ID 258 gen 56580 top level 5 path /root I take it then that subvolid 258 is marked as "/" in your fstab? -- Sincerely, William Brown pgp.mit.edu http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x3C0AC6DAB2F928A2 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part --

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 01:16 PM, William Brown wrote: > If root isn't placed into a subvolume, say /root then mounted > as /dev/sda1 subvolid=255 / lets say, you can't snapshot the root fs, > which defeats the whole point of using btrfs . Yes you can -- the btrfs wiki even has this example: mount -

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 07:46 +1030, William Brown wrote: > On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 13:17 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:18:37 -0500 > > Josef Bacik wrote: > > > > > I'm waiting until Anaconda settles down before I pursue btrfs in > > > Fedora again. Things change too much and

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:46:34 +1030 William Brown wrote: > Did the root volume (/) Go into it's own subvolume, or is root just > in /? > > If root isn't placed into a subvolume, say /root then mounted > as /dev/sda1 subvolid=255 / lets say, you can't snapshot the root fs, > which defeats the who

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 2013-01-16 at 13:17 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:18:37 -0500 > Josef Bacik wrote: > > > I'm waiting until Anaconda settles down before I pursue btrfs in > > Fedora again. Things change too much and Btrfs is too reliant on the > > anaconda part working properly to e

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:36:10PM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Richard W.M. Jones >wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12:34AM -0800, Zach Brown wrote: > > > > > So there are a couple of issues

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 03:36:10PM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12:34AM -0800, Zach Brown wrote: > > > > So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > > > > must be fixed before it

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12:34AM -0800, Zach Brown wrote: > > > So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > > > must be fixed before it can become the default > > > > I'd agree, though I'd have a different l

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:18:37 -0500 Josef Bacik wrote: > I'm waiting until Anaconda settles down before I pursue btrfs in > Fedora again. Things change too much and Btrfs is too reliant on the > anaconda part working properly to even bother trying to push it > through at this point. Thanks, Wel

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12:34AM -0800, Zach Brown wrote: > > So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > > must be fixed before it can become the default > > I'd agree, though I'd have a different list of pet bugs. > > But that's a subjective judgement. I'd be the f

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Zach Brown wrote: >> So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely >> must be fixed before it can become the default > > I'd agree, though I'd have a different list of pet bugs. > > But that's a subjective judgement. I'd be the first to adm

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

> So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > must be fixed before it can become the default I'd agree, though I'd have a different list of pet bugs. But that's a subjective judgement. I'd be the first to admit that I'm pretty risk averse, especially when it comes to

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:53 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Hallo, > > for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the > standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered > because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was not available > on the stable state for Fedora 17. > > So, I would like to a

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:41 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >> >> Afik Josef just left Red Hat not Fedora... > > > I haven't seen any recent activity in Fedora from him. Have you? > > Did you see consistent activity in Fedor

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

I am testing btrfs on kvm guest, currently i have found: * Bug 894837 - Transient / Intermittent ENOSPC errors with BTRFS and F18 (btrfs gives no space left on device at full or near full filesystem and heavy io, for example deleting stuff to reclaim space.) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fed

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 12:00 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I haven't seen any recent activity in Fedora from him. Have you? Rahul Some patches on the btrfs list on Jan 7 and 8, 2013. -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:41 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > Afik Josef just left Red Hat not Fedora... I haven't seen any recent activity in Fedora from him. Have you? Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 01/16/2013 04:23 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 1/16/13 10:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jan Kratochvil mailto:jan.kratoch...@redhat.com>> wrote: It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes instead of < 1 minute. I have provided

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On 1/16/13 10:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jan Kratochvil > wrote: > > > It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes instead > of > < 1 minute. I have provided even a reproducer for 1sec

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes instead > of > < 1 minute. I have provided even a reproducer for 1sec vs. 1min issue. > The Bug just got automatically closed without any human reply as almost > all of > th

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 13:18:19 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > So there are a couple of issues with btrfs which I believe absolutely > must be fixed before it can become the default (both affect > virtualization, coincidentally): It affects also compilation, GDB was rebuilding for 10-15 minutes i

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 09:53:25AM +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > Hallo, > > for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the > standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered > because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was not available > on the stable state for Fedora 17. > > So, I would

Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

Hallo, for Fedora 17 we had a feature to make btrfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora. This feature was defered because the fsck utitlities for btrfs was not available on the stable state for Fedora 17. So, I would like to ask, if there any plans to make this to a feautre for F-19. I think it