Have the authors of these papers talked to you guys? Presumably they are
working on this stuff because they want to contribute, it seems strange
that you get the papers after they are published.
On May 6, 2013 6:03 PM, "Matthew Toseland"
wrote:
> On Monday 06 May 2013 15:00:21 O
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
> On Saturday 04 May 2013 07:09:17 Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> > I looked over both papers.
>
> Thanks! I'm going to reply separately re each paper.
> >
> > Second paper:
> >
> > The reason I never let
I looked over both papers.
First paper:
The proof in the first one isn't a big surprise. The need for exact
predecessor links is a technicality used in proofs of the polylog routing,
and aren't necessary in general, but without them you do need more density
in the network. If you scale the node
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Evan Daniel wrote:
> There is a technique that would make the store fill more quickly than
> it currently does without any drawbacks (aside from a small amount of
> development time ;) ). Right now, there are two hash tables with one
> slot per location. One has
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Evan Daniel wrote:
> There is a technique that would make the store fill more quickly than
> it currently does without any drawbacks (aside from a small amount of
> development time ;) ). Right now, there are two hash tables with one
> slot per location. One has
Conferences on Hawaii are of course known for their hard science and not
at all being about paying for a vacation with your research funds...
// oskar
Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Here's another improving-0.5 paper, which I don't entirely understand as it
> doesn't seem to fully specify the algor
Conferences on Hawaii are of course known for their hard science and not
at all being about paying for a vacation with your research funds...
// oskar
Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Here's another improving-0.5 paper, which I don't entirely understand as it
> doesn't seem to fully specify the algor
Matthew Toseland wrote:
> - Does anyone have any idea how to proceed from here? Any theories? Any
> idea for intelligence gathering?
I have previously recommended that all nodes should drop their position
in favor of a random selection on a regular (actually random) basis.
That could help agai
Matthew Toseland wrote:
> - Does anyone have any idea how to proceed from here? Any theories? Any
> idea for intelligence gathering?
I have previously recommended that all nodes should drop their position
in favor of a random selection on a regular (actually random) basis.
That could help agai
Ian Clarke wrote:
>> I don't get it? Why would you want to try to pick links explicitely
>> according to a given distribution, when we know that just choosing the
>> destination of incoming queries should work fine. Did I miss something?
>
>
> Its not necessary, it is just to help things along -
Ian Clarke wrote:
I don't get it? Why would you want to try to pick links explicitely
according to a given distribution, when we know that just choosing the
destination of incoming queries should work fine. Did I miss something?
Its not necessary, it is just to help things along - it should wo
Yeah, the standard approach would be not the square anything. But it
doesn't really matter: you are still optimizing in the right direction, it
might just make it a little slower.
// oskar
> Here are the comments at the top of
> freenet.node.LocationManager.shouldSwap():
>
> * If A > B the
Yeah, the standard approach would be not the square anything. But it
doesn't really matter: you are still optimizing in the right direction, it
might just make it a little slower.
// oskar
> Here are the comments at the top of
> freenet.node.LocationManager.shouldSwap():
>
> * If A > B the
Colin Davis wrote:
> What would make Freenet a Killer App, and encourage a LOT of
> installations, and encourage people to make peers is including
> Hamachi-style functionality. http://www.hamachi.cc/
>
> Essentially, since we already have a connection to them, let us forward
> OTHER types of tra
Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Oskar tells me that the following will work a lot better than our
> current strategy for storing data, according to his simulations:
Well, I said other strategies than the current worked a lot better _in_
my simulations. You can take that as you wished.
> We have a separ
Colin Davis wrote:
> What would make Freenet a Killer App, and encourage a LOT of
> installations, and encourage people to make peers is including
> Hamachi-style functionality. http://www.hamachi.cc/
>
> Essentially, since we already have a connection to them, let us forward
> OTHER types of tra
Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Oskar tells me that the following will work a lot better than our
> current strategy for storing data, according to his simulations:
Well, I said other strategies than the current worked a lot better _in_
my simulations. You can take that as you wished.
> We have a separ
Ian Clarke wrote:
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> Hash: SHA1
>
> I don't think we necessarily have to prevent location swapping on
> opennet nodes, the destination sampling approach seems pretty robust,
> and as the network stabilizes, the number of location swaps should
> decrease.
Ian Clarke wrote:
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I don't think we necessarily have to prevent location swapping on
opennet nodes, the destination sampling approach seems pretty robust,
and as the network stabilizes, the number of location swaps should
decrease.
I don't thi
Matthew wrote:
> I have no idea what you are talking about.
Nodes that aren't worried about whoom they talk to can use destination
sampling (like old Freenet, but with forced specialization). If nodes use
this, it won't matter if they got in with some "matchmaking service".
// oskar
Matthew wrote:
> I have no idea what you are talking about.
Nodes that aren't worried about whoom they talk to can use destination
sampling (like old Freenet, but with forced specialization). If nodes use
this, it won't matter if they got in with some "matchmaking service".
// oskar
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> Is there a serious problem with node location stability? Oskar's
> simulations suggest not. Anything which impacts location swapping will
> need to be simulated, of course.
>
> My main concern with treating offline nodes as online for purposes of
> swapping is that swaps cannot involve those offl
> Is there a serious problem with node location stability? Oskar's
> simulations suggest not. Anything which impacts location swapping will
> need to be simulated, of course.
>
> My main concern with treating offline nodes as online for purposes of
> swapping is that swaps cannot involve those offl
be really useful for freenet to make semi-permanent
> connections like adsl/cable work better than they are now.
Improving announcements would be the best thing to do.
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> help.
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> cover what has been said and what I think that translates into regarding
> the SneakerNet transport method.
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le key - clearly SplitFile does not for
example. A control part only makes sense if you know what it does.
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is problem since build
> mhh... I cant remember when :)
>
> NB2: as me, many others have this problem.
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:10:09AM +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:28:39AM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
< >
> > There is no reason to do this as a control document. It should be done
> > as document metadata - that is a seperate MetadataPart adde
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:10:09AM +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:28:39AM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
< >
> > There is no reason to do this as a control document. It should be done
> > as document metadata - that is a seperate MetadataPart adde
ry time (counting on the
DataStore to cache it).
Also, should it really be a zip. Aren't there freedom issues?
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ot working, then good luck trying to flood them all. If
this network is to have any future, we need the routing to work. Short
sighted patches to work around the symptoms of it failing by abandoning
our goals are not the right way forward.
Get a
ry time (counting on the
DataStore to cache it).
Also, should it really be a zip. Aren't there freedom issues?
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pissing-in-your-pants-to-stay-warm feature.
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ll the data
can't be read? What's wrong with an IOException (we have to throw out
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ould be broken into five
or ten bundles, which is still going to be a lot nicer then having
several hundred parts.
Download latency is a very small part of the time it takes to retrieve
documents - probably less than a tenth of average.
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ot working, then good luck trying to flood them all. If
this network is to have any future, we need the routing to work. Short
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Get a clue before you start flaming.
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or ten bundles, which is still going to be a lot nicer then having
several hundred parts.
Download latency is a very small part of the time it takes to retrieve
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I mean 621, sorry.
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> I think I must have told 100 people how to work around this - but all
> most people around here are good for is whining I guess. Version 620
> will work around this particular problem.
>
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oadEntry(LoadStats.java:381) at
> freenet.node.LoadStats.(LoadStats.java:75) at
> freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:646) FWIW. Ciao. Marco
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On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 07:27:12PM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
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> I think I must have told 100 people how to work around this - but all
> most people around here are good for is whining I guess. Version 620
> will work around this particular problem.
>
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> freenet.node.LoadStats.(LoadStats.java:75) at
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> anyway I'm stalled with, growing, 314threads (max=300)
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ueries - about 96% of the queries my node sees fail (I have no idea
where they all come from, but I understand there is some software that
floods the network).
As for you 300 qph is nothing. I would start wondering about the load
balancing, but I'm surprised that free
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 04:10:12PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 02:03:07PM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
< >
> > ...that are not running a NAT or who know how to configure it (which
> > rules out the popular NAT boxes, windows connection sharing et
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ueries - about 96% of the queries my node sees fail (I have no idea
where they all come from, but I understand there is some software that
floods the network).
As for you 300 qph is nothing. I would start wondering about the load
balancing, but I'm surprise
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On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 06:59:01PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 02:20:14AM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> > I think we do a poor job of presenting the requirements of freenet
> > involvement to those who stumble upon it. To use freenet, a host must
>
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 04:10:12PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
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> On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 02:20:14AM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> > I think we do a poor job of presenting the requirements of freenet
> > involvement to those who stumble upon it. To use freenet, a host must
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27;t expect a 90/10 ratio of leechers to
providers. I doubt we'll ever see that change.
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on physical security tokens (such as http://www.ibutton.com).
>
> That wouldn't prevent someone from tricking a developer or developers
> into signing a modified jar.
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skitz, it recovers quite well. Still, I'm sure this must be
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ld a 'gateway' static node with an internal (for intranet) address and
> a public (for world) address?
>
> could it be implemented in future FNet builds?
>
> regards,
> anonymous.
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< >
> > Actually, FCP encryption is already supported. All you need to do is
> > send the first protocol designator byte as whatever FNP uses in
rotocol designator byte as whatever FNP uses instead of
whatever FCP normally uses. I even implemented a method so that admin
FCP could be authorized only if received over an encrypted connection
from a specific peer.
AFAIK no client has ever implemented this, although I could probably
make the jav
cific equality and
hashcodes). The "Network Load" page shows positive output since there
the byte arrays are stored as FileNumbers (which is since it is backed
by a DataObjectStore). In other places we use BigIntegers, which may put
to string interpreted as two's compliment
m.
I think this one might be work aroundable by explicitely declaring the
Interface method (getDataInputStream()) in the abstract Exception class.
GCJ has had issues with that as well IIRC.
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reply to this before. Binding to 0.0.0.0 does seem to work,
but it wasn't implemented in kaffe, so I fixed that for them. However,
the cvs version of kaffe is broken in other words, so for now I'm not
happy about marrying our software to it.
If this is really important to somebody
27;gateway' static node with an internal (for intranet) address and a
>public (for world) address?
>
> could it be implemented in future FNet builds?
>
> regards,
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 02:14:03PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:52:20PM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
< >
> > Actually, FCP encryption is already supported. All you need to do is
> > send the first protocol designator byte as whatever FNP uses in
ator byte as whatever FNP uses instead of
whatever FCP normally uses. I even implemented a method so that admin
FCP could be authorized only if received over an encrypted connection
from a specific peer.
AFAIK no client has ever implemented this, although I could probably
make the java clien
equality and
hashcodes). The "Network Load" page shows positive output since there
the byte arrays are stored as FileNumbers (which is since it is backed
by a DataObjectStore). In other places we use BigIntegers, which may put
to string interpreted as two's
m.
I think this one might be work aroundable by explicitely declaring the
Interface method (getDataInputStream()) in the abstract Exception class.
GCJ has had issues with that as well IIRC.
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reply to this before. Binding to 0.0.0.0 does seem to work,
but it wasn't implemented in kaffe, so I fixed that for them. However,
the cvs version of kaffe is broken in other words, so for now I'm not
happy about marrying our software to it.
If this is really important to somebo
ave had the same response right
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clude all opened connections, not just when routing. It is
possible that a node with a misconfigured address would keep sending you
queries, and your node will keep trying to reply to them (there is no
blacklisting of nodes.)
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e,
> it might explain some DNFs.
We never waste hops on failed connections.
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tical attack will always be
able to reveal these (though, if one goes with the argument "the second
time you request the data it is obviously in the node - you put it
there" then that gets more difficult for particular cases.)
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clude all opened connections, not just when routing. It is
possible that a node with a misconfigured address would keep sending you
queries, and your node will keep trying to reply to them (there is no
blacklisting of nodes.)
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able to reveal these (though, if one goes with the argument "the second
time you request the data it is obviously in the node - you put it
there" then that gets more difficult for particular cases.)
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> As promised, archetectural notes:
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> Gatekeeper:
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ly like it if freenet would bind() outgoing connections to the
> appropriate port... That way I can assign them to freenet's traffic
> class in my filter.
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e hacker.
> Employed full time by Freenet Project Inc. from 11/9/02 to 11/11/02.
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> until it is not permitted by the OS to make more. Is this supposed to
> happen?
Yes, this software is actually a troyan horse intended to DoS your
machine!
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ve, but continue to use a comparatively large number.
> Or are all the additional threads used just to service the computational
> aspects of request and response, such as encryption, fec, etc?
Everything that can use a thread does, basically.
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jobs). I am using the
> following in freenet.conf:
>
> maximumThreads=-80
> maxThreads=-80
> doLoadBalance=yes
> overloadHigh=0.65
> overloadLow=0.60
>
> I have seen both maximumThreads and maxThreads suggested on the list.
> Which is correct?
>
> TI
> until it is not permitted by the OS to make more. Is this supposed to
> happen?
Yes, this software is actually a troyan horse intended to DoS your
machine!
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