[IxDA Discuss] Flash components for rapid prototyping?

2008-06-06 Thread Joseph Kurachi Luk
Hi all, Can y'all recommend some free Flash components for UI prototyping purposes? I'm coming back to Flash after 4 years or so, and hoping that something has emerged since then. Lately I've been asked to do a lot of proof-of-concept type stuff for mobile and devices, so I'm looking for somethi

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Scott McDaniel
Here's an idea: I don't care what people's positions are on IP or patents or whatever, just take your sandbox spat to private emails. Thanks a ton! Scott On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Kontra wrote: > >>> Are the peop

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Kontra
> people with law degrees already told us. Are these the same people with law degrees who drafted RIAA's "making available" strategy? Or a different set of legal merchants who peddle the theoretical exposure = prior knowledge approach until it's challenged? Like I said, any sufficiently incentivi

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Kontra wrote: Are the people who are trying to maintain plausible deniability also going to claim that they never visit a news site? Or use a PC at a library? Or a friend's house? Or AOL or some other proxy server? Or prove in the negative that they didn't access

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Kontra
> Are the people who are trying to maintain plausible deniability also going to > claim that they never visit a news site? Or use a PC at a library? Or a friend's house? Or AOL or some other proxy server? Or prove in the negative that they didn't access what's otherwise publicly available? Etc. J

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what would you call this, a submenu, subtab, or something else?

2008-06-06 Thread Matt Attaway
>I don't know if I understand why we often try to find special >descriptions to call things. Having a commonly understood set of terminology makes life infinitely easier during meetings. I find that half of the roadblocks we face during design meetings are caused by terminology misunderstandings.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Matt Attaway
Perhaps a solution for people who are concerned about "tainted inboxes" would be to use the the web interface and turn off the list mail. I use an RSS reader to track changes and comment via the website, and find it to be very pleasant, and it leaves my inboxes squeaky clean. . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what would you call this, a submenu, subtab, or something else?

2008-06-06 Thread Dave Meeker
I don't know if I understand why we often try to find special descriptions to call things. The more that Rich interfaces become common, designers will make attempts to create interactions and UI elements that "work" to solve "the problem". In the example you sent, it looks to me like a series of "t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Expense and income tracking apps?

2008-06-06 Thread Scott Baldwin
I'd suggest Pulse: http://pulseapp.com/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=29586 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread J. Scot Angus
Yeah, I saw that too, and deleted it. Actually, I also deleted the name of the person I was responding to (in favor of just sending the message exclusively to "ixdadiscuss") but I never saw the message posted, so.. guess you have to have a recipient, as well as CC the list. On Jun 6, 2008

[IxDA Discuss] Friday afternoon Web design tools survey for you!

2008-06-06 Thread tessa
Hello,My team is running a research project aimed at attracting and keeping what we consider to be the best Web designers in the industry. Part of this research is focused on improving the toolset of our design team. To better address their needs we have created a survey to check the pulse of our c

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread J. Scot Angus
testing to see if I get one of them ... On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote: Um, me too. On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Sebi Tauciuc wrote: Ok, am I the only one who gets an automated reply from Yahoo! Search Marketing every time I post a message to the list? Maybe we could do

[IxDA Discuss] Job - Senior Experience Designer - Creative Suites - SF Bay Area - Adobe Systems - Recruiter - Full time

2008-06-06 Thread Julia Margherita
Please post: Adobe Systems Incorporated is seeking a Senior User Experience Designer to join the Creative Suite Design team. As an Adobe Sr. Experience Designer, you will be responsible for creating great experiences for several members of the Adobe product family. You will work collaborative

[IxDA Discuss] Job-Mobile Flash Developer Lead - San Francisco, CA-Adobe Systems-Recruiter-Full time

2008-06-06 Thread Julia Margherita
Please post: Adobe (NASDAQ: ADBE) revolutionizes how the world engages with ideas and information. For 25 years, the company's award-winning software and technologies have redefined business, entertainment, and personal communications by setting new standards for producing and delivering cont

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Diarmad McNally
On 6 Jun 2008, at 13:02, Gloria Petron wrote: Wasn't the original purpose of the "confirm email" field to thwart automated scripts? It's getting the human touch, confirmation that the form is being filled out by a person, that's the goal. There may be other reasons for a confirm email

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Announcement ~ UX Deliverables Workshop ~ Washington, DC

2008-06-06 Thread J. Scot Angus
Anyone know of something like this happening in Los Angeles? Perhaps a company that might be interested in hosting such an event? On Jun 6, 2008, at 4:26 AM, Dan Brown wrote: With a date like 8/8/08, we couldn't pass up an opportunity to launch EightShapes' public workshops! And so, join u

[IxDA Discuss] [Event] Critical Issues in Interaction Design Workshop: Call for Participation

2008-06-06 Thread Shaowen Bardzell
CALL FOR PARTICIPATION * WORKSHOP * Critical Issues in Interaction Design http://designcriticism.googlepages.com/home At HCI 2008: Culture, Creativity, Interaction 1-5 Sept. 2008, Liverpool, John Moores University, UK http://www.hci

Re: [IxDA Discuss] 3D secure and verified by visa

2008-06-06 Thread Marsha Harner
We are looking at implementing 3D Secure for the Maestro card for purchases in the UK and are going to use an inline i-frame on a site page that is part of a multi-step checkout process. It isn't nearly as bad as a pop-up and allows all transactions between the cardholder and card issuer to occur w

[IxDA Discuss] Online Inspiration?

2008-06-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm working on an online project geared towards designers like us and would love to know: Where do you go for inspiration? Ideas? Trends? Any and all thoughts are so helpful - thank you! I'll be sure to post a link to the new site when it is live. Thanks, Carrie -

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Alan Wexelblat
Yes, it's true that this is not a "free speech" or "Bill of Rights" issue. However, it's being taken to ridiculous extremes. Are the people who are trying to maintain plausible deniability also going to claim that they never visit a news site? No news.google, no cnet, no cnn? Because, you know,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Jack Moffett
On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Dan Saffer wrote: Even knowing the existence of a patent can be legally troubling. Interesting. So how many of you completely avoid every tech news site (e.g. Engadget), which regularly post news items containing not only the title and basic summary of the pa

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Katie Albers
I have to come down on Jared's side here. You can talk about it all you want. You will not be hauled away in the middle of the night. You will not be prevented in any way from saying anything you like. You will not wind up in jail, and you will not be charged with anything stemming from this di

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread dave malouf
Will you are over-simplifying "freedom of speech" to an extreme, but I won't go there at all. My previous gig was for a financial document management organization. Our product allowed people to share documents around due-diligence processes. The people involved were often involved in securities tr

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Jeff White
This is a sensitive topic that I can't pretend to know much about. But no one is saying you can't talk about it. As your IxD peers, they are simply asking you to discuss it somewhere in order to help them avoid a world of legal pain. Seems completely reasonable. Jeff On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:54 P

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Jared Spool
Nobody is "gagging" you about anything. They are just asking for a no-patent-discussion zone. It's a matter of courtesy. Think of the discussion as second-hand smoke. Jared On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Will Evans wrote: "This is neither a freedom of speech or a bill of rights issue. This

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what would you call this, a submenu, subtab, or something else?

2008-06-06 Thread Jared Spool
On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Jason Zietz wrote: What would you call "Current Design" in this example? Invisible. Jared Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscr

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Will Evans
"This is neither a freedom of speech or a bill of rights issue. This is a will-I-be-hauled-into-deposition-and-deposed-on-emails-in-my-inbasket question." Common Jared, this is exactly that. I state now that I have no skin in the game - but I am gagged from talking about it? This is absolutely a b

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Jared Spool
On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Will Evans wrote: Why would any one of us have to bow out to discuss this. It's ludicrous. Last I checked - even with the current administration - most of the bill of rights is still in tact. Or am I naive? I'm thinking the latter. Andrei is correct. This is a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Dan Saffer
On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Will Evans wrote: "removing oneself from the list is absolutely part of the solution options " Why would any one of us have to bow out to discuss this. It's ludicrous. Last I checked - even with the current administration - most of the bill of rights is still

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Will Evans
"removing oneself from the list is absolutely part of the solution options " Why would any one of us have to bow out to discuss this. It's ludicrous. Last I checked - even with the current administration - most of the bill of rights is still in tact. Or am I naive? - W On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:0

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 6, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote: No kidding. Banning any discussions on this list that have to do with patents is just plain silly. I just re-read everything I wrote today. No where in my messages did I use the word "ban." There are many viable solutions, and yes, removi

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Alan Wexelblat
Josh > 3. Both the organization and some of our members could be exposed to > unpleasant legal consequences as a result of this discussion. > Therefore, we ask that those interested in continuing this discussion > do so offline, on one of your blogs perhaps, or in some other forum. It's not clear

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Alan Wexelblat wrote: I'm aware of the issues, but I'm uncomfortable with banning an entire class of discussion from the entirety of the mailing list. Is there a way to tag potentially risky messages so that people who cannot deal with these things can filter the me

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread Joshua Seiden
I think we found the culprit. Let me know if any of you see any more of these messages. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=29913 Welcom

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Concept of patent Discussion

2008-06-06 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 6, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Katie Albers wrote: Although I realize this may be too little, too late, since I already posted info about the issues of patents in general...Let me caution everyone that while you may believe that discussing patents is not an issue for you -- There is no way to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread Christopher Jarzabek
I have only recently signed up for IxDA, but both times that I have made a post, I have received an e-mail form Yahoo! Search Marketing. I will forward a copy of the first occurrence to feedback. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Mario Bourque
My apologies for posting that link, the previous post was posted this morning and only appeared on the thread a few minutes ago. I did inquire and nobody is available to comment. Me thinks this is going to be a very delicate operation. Mario __

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Mario Bourque
I'm going to ping my contact at iRise and see if I can get more info. -- Mario Bourque Web: www.mariobourque.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread mario bourque
The patent information is here: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7349837/claims.html Technically, I can do a lot of the things described in that patent with tools from Adobe, Microsoft, and IBM. That is a formidable force to go after. Axure, however, is not in that group and would make it a strat

[IxDA Discuss] The Concept of patent Discussion

2008-06-06 Thread Katie Albers
Although I realize this may be too little, too late, since I already posted info about the issues of patents in general...Let me caution everyone that while you may believe that discussing patents is not an issue for you -- There is no way to predict whether it may become an issue in the future

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Josh Seiden
After some offline discussions, I want to clarify what I wrote earlier. 1. IxDA isn't going to take a position in this dispute. As an organization, we have no meaningful visibility into the issues, nor do we have the resources to develop that visibility. Thus we are not is a position to take a pos

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what would you call this, a submenu, subtab, or something else?

2008-06-06 Thread Scott McDaniel
My humble recommendation would be navigation (links) and subnavigation (links), since tab or no, that's what they are and do, right? It's what I call such elements in most documentation since it allows flexibility of use if the design turns away from presenting them as tabs. Scott On Fri, Jun 6,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what would you call this, a submenu, subtab, or something else?

2008-06-06 Thread Jason Zietz
A bit of clarification: I'm writing instructions, hence the need to know what to call these things. What would you call "Current Design" in this example? A link? That could work, but a link could be anywhere on the page. I could call it a "Navigation Link", but that sounds awkward.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Alan Wexelblat
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Opening them is not the problem. It's having their presence on your internal > email servers to boot. When you get lawyers asking for information, they > take everything to see what you have, because proving what you've

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what would you call this, a submenu, subtab, or something else?

2008-06-06 Thread Jack Moffett
On Jun 6, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Jason Zietz wrote: Clearly "Design" is a tab, but "Current Design" and its siblings don't look like tabs, though they do *behave* like tabs. A "tab" is a pattern that is quite obviously based on physical tabs used in books, filing cabinets, etc. For that reason,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what would you call this, a submenu, subtab, or something else?

2008-06-06 Thread Bryan Minihan
Many portal applications call those "pages", for lack of any better term to describe them. For some reason, many folks have a very difficult time "seeing" them, so whatever you call them, make them obvious and provide alternative methods to get to them if people can't remember they're ther

[IxDA Discuss] what would you call this, a submenu, subtab, or something else?

2008-06-06 Thread Jason Zietz
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find anything related in the archives. I checked my Designing Interfaces book as well and came up empty, so now I seek the guidance of the collective. http://anxiousplanet.com/ixda/SubmenuOrSubnav.gif What would you call "Current De

[IxDA Discuss] iRise vs. Axure - Community response - Patent-free thread

2008-06-06 Thread Fred Beecher
First, my apologies to Andrei and anyone else who may be affected by having links to patents in their email. I had NO idea about the impact. In response to Josh Seiden who, speaking for the IxDA board, encouraged us to come up with a plan of action, I'd like to start this new thread. To anyone taki

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 6, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Alan Wexelblat wrote: I'm aware of the issues, but I'm uncomfortable with banning an entire class of discussion from the entirety of the mailing list. Is there a way to tag potentially risky messages so that people who cannot deal with these things can filter the m

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread pauric
Apologies, I seemed to have posted in the 'yahoo! markteting replies' while looking at the patent thread My point is this; last time this came up I beleive Chauncey highlighted the problems talking about patents. And here we are again. I feel its a relatively obscure issue that arises infrequent

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Alan Wexelblat
> So, to protect all of us, please do as Andrei requested and not > discuss patents on this discussion group. I'm aware of the issues, but I'm uncomfortable with banning an entire class of discussion from the entirety of the mailing list. Is there a way to tag potentially risky messages so that p

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread pauric
Andrei, feel free to setup a filter to send any mails from ixda with 'patent' to your deleted folder. Or use the website. I think your pissing in the wind if you think a request to not discuss patents is going to stop this happening in the future. -pauric . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Chauncey Wilson
Andrei is perfectly correct here and the discussion of patents the links to patents should not be discussed on IxDA. That should be a strict policy. Discussion of a particular patent like this could open members and companies on this discussion group open to treble damages for willful infringement

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 6, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Jeff Howard wrote: In order to track down this problem, it would help to know when members first started receiving the auto-replies (so we can tell what date the offending party signed up). Started happening for me about two weeks ago, but I've deleted all the po

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Dave Meeker wrote: Really? You'd think as prototyping is a major part of experience design, that this would be somewhat interesting to the community. I'm sure it is. You write your post as if you represent everyone. I said "some people." I thought I was clear

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread Katie Albers
I suspect that this is happening because someone on the list uses Yahoo! Search Marketing and doesn't realize that somehow this is getting routed through them. (And yes, it's happening to me, too.) And I just noticed that when I "Replied All" on this email, Yahoo! Search Marketing was in the c

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 6, 2008, at 7:15 AM, Alexander Baxevanis wrote: Here is the patent in question: [removed] and an earlier patent that they also own: [removed] This has been discussed in the past before... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take patent discussions to a sequestered list or blog posting or somethin

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Vishal Iyer
The patent process is really complex for sure (though few will argue that it doesn't need reform), but generally speaking- if someone invents a medicine to cure a disease, shouldn't patents protect others from using the same formula, but not prevent folks from creating other medicines to cure the s

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Josh Seiden
Speaking for the Board... We haven't specifically discussed the issue. But really, it's not so important what the Board thinks. Our only purpose is to facilitate the community. If folks feel that this is important, let's use the discussion board to discuss and recommend an action plan. This is y

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
Um, me too. On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Sebi Tauciuc wrote: Ok, am I the only one who gets an automated reply from Yahoo! Search Marketing every time I post a message to the list? Maybe we could do something about it? Sebi Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Tim Ostler
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Vishal Iyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thats a great question. > > >From the iRise website (http://www.irise.com/patent/): > "The invention covered by this patent is the use of a graphical, > drag-and-drop interface to allow non-technical users to define functiona

[IxDA Discuss] [Event] NYC IxDA: Monday June 16 - "Micro-Interactions in a 2.0 World" by David Armano

2008-06-06 Thread MJ Broadbent
Please join NYC IxDA for our June event—RSVP by email to: nyc-rsvp (at) ixda (dot) org Micro-Interactions in a 2.0 World We live in a world where the little things really do matter. Each encounter -- no matter how brief -- is a micro interaction which makes a deposit or withdrawal from our

Re: [IxDA Discuss] [IxDA Digest] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Prince Arora
Great discussion. I started using Axure around 2-3 yrs ago. Before finalizing on Axure I spoke to an iRise sales rep. but he wasn't much interested to talk to me as I was just an individual in a small company. Now that Axure has captured a good market size iRise is trying these tactics. We as a com

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Vishal Iyer
Thats a great question. >From the iRise website (http://www.irise.com/patent/): "The invention covered by this patent is the use of a graphical, drag-and-drop interface to allow non-technical users to define functionally rich simulations – without resorting to software code to generate them. The s

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Katie Albers
Let's see...where have I seen this happen before...h. Oh, that's right! Amazon patented the single click buy. Let me be really clear about this, for those of you who don't remember, Amazon patented something that was already in use by many, but that was widely considered within our tiny, l

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Alan Wexelblat
I skimmed the '837 patent. It's VERY broad. It also cites an unusually large amount of patent prior art (though its non-patent prior art is CRAP, not at all surprising). herewith the rampant speculation from a non-lawyer If the examiner let it through with that amount of prior art cited it's goin

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread Jeff Howard
In order to track down this problem, it would help to know when members first started receiving the auto-replies (so we can tell what date the offending party signed up). If you've received a Yahoo Search Marketing message after posting to the list, could you check the date? Or just forward it to

[IxDA Discuss] mobile gui menu list style

2008-06-06 Thread Michele Marut
I've been looking for a section in a mobile or other small screen GUI style guide about adresses the actual style of menu options For example, are there any conventions for using "title case - first word is capitalized" vs "sentence case- just first word " on a small screen vs the typical larger d

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Customer Conversations & White Label Products

2008-06-06 Thread Dante Murphy
Dan- It sounds to me like you're channeling one of my favorite books, "The Cluetrain Manifesto". In it the authors suggest that the online marketplace is more like an open-air market than a brick-and-mortar retail outlet, not only because of the ability for customers to comparison shop instantaneo

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Jack Moffett
What affect could this patent have on Adobe's Thermo? Is anybody from the team currently reading the list? Narciso? Jack Jack L. Moffett Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com Things should be as simple as possible, but no simpler. - A

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Charles B. Kreitzberg
I've served as an expert witness in several patent infringement cases and have had the (sometime uncomfortable) experience of seeing the process close-up. It can be a very expensive and nasty process. The last case that I was involved with went on for years and cost the companies millions of dolla

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Will Evans
I have already sent emails to iRise (being a customer), as well as left two voice mails. I have/will use both based on my needs - but this thing iRise is doing is simply not right. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Nancy Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do we do that? I have been using Axu

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Jared Spool
On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Sebi Tauciuc wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Jared Spool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I haven't seen anything formally published. However, here's what we've found in our research at UIE: The problem you're trying to solve is mistyping email addresses.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread Catriona Lohan-Conway
I have been getting it too and Peter March and the IxDA team are looking into it. It is pretty big brother tho! __ Catríona Lohan-Conway User Experience Architect 917 405 5127 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 6, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Sebi Tauciuc wrote: Ok, am I the only one wh

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread Will Evans
I get it as well. They are a failing company. I chalk it up to the death rattle. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Sebi Tauciuc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, am I the only one who gets an automated reply from Yahoo! Search > Marketing every time I post a message to the list? > Maybe we could do

[IxDA Discuss] Yahoo! Search Marketing replies?

2008-06-06 Thread Sebi Tauciuc
Ok, am I the only one who gets an automated reply from Yahoo! Search Marketing every time I post a message to the list? Maybe we could do something about it? Sebi On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Yahoo! Search Marketing < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for contacting us. This automated res

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Will Evans
We as a community can simply say we shall not stand for this. We are the ones, as customers, with power. we can let them know. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Fred Beecher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/6/08, Alexander Baxevanis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > and an earlier paten

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Sebi Tauciuc
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Jared Spool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't seen anything formally published. However, here's what we've > found in our research at UIE: > > The problem you're trying to solve is mistyping email addresses. Depending > on the audience, context, and design, yo

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Fred Beecher
On 6/6/08, Alexander Baxevanis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > and an earlier patent that they also own: > > http://www.google.com/patents?id=hrmAEBAJ&dq=7,174,286 > > I think those patents were filed around 2004, and I really wonder if > such tools never existed in some form before that time.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Jared Spool
On Jun 5, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Wendy Goodfriend wrote: Can anyone direct me to research discussing the advantages and disadvantages of using one vs two email fields? I am also looking for inline validation code that addresses the one vs two field issue as well. I haven't seen anything forma

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Sebi Tauciuc
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Gail Swanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a theory that the appearance of a dup email field is a > misunderstanding of the dup password field. Password fields are > often duplicated because they are masked and therefore the user has > no way to validate thei

Re: [IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Alexander Baxevanis
Here is the patent in question: http://tinyurl.com/3mvrls and an earlier patent that they also own: http://www.google.com/patents?id=hrmAEBAJ&dq=7,174,286 I think those patents were filed around 2004, and I really wonder if such tools never existed in some form before that time. Maybe some

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Gail Swanson
If duplicating a field is an effective method of validation, why isn't it commonly used for other important fields throughout most forms, i.e. credit card numbers, ssn, phone? We can't forget about the visual validation that users perform while filling out both paper and online form. If the indiv

[IxDA Discuss] [Announce] Last Day for Prototyping Survey and Free Book

2008-06-06 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
Today is the last day for the prototyping survey and a chance to win a free copy of the Practical Prototyping book — http://tinyurl.com/ 6nsr3d . Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. -- Contact

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Alexander Baxevanis
Actually there is a way to stop pasting in the 2nd field: all you need to do is write something like: But it's hardly ever used because I guess it would frustrate lots of people. I think I found out about this option from a blog article that was complaining about a website following this practic

[IxDA Discuss] iRise sues Axure for "patent infringement"

2008-06-06 Thread Fred Beecher
All, I really hope anyone considering iRise reads this before making their final decision. We're a fairly small community and in general we all play well together. Given this, it is *amazing* that we have a choice of tools to use. So this kind of blatant and reprehensible grab for market share (se

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Gloria Petron
Wasn't the original purpose of the "confirm email" field to thwart automated scripts? It's getting the human touch, confirmation that the form is being filled out by a person, that's the goal. As an Alan Cooper fan, I venture there are probably better and more elegant ways to achieve this confirmat

[IxDA Discuss] What do I want from ‘Local Sear ch’ on your mobile

2008-06-06 Thread Sachendra Yadav
'Local Search' on mobiles is a space "begging" for attention. There are a few players out there but there's so much more than can be done to give a better experience to the users. I've written a post about what I want from 'Local Search' on mobiles http://sachendra.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/what-i-

[IxDA Discuss] Announcement ~ UX Deliverables Workshop ~ Washington, DC

2008-06-06 Thread Dan Brown
With a date like 8/8/08, we couldn't pass up an opportunity to launch EightShapes' public workshops! And so, join us on August 8 for the first of a series of public workshops. We'll start with our sweet spot, documentation, and see where it goes. Since it's our first, the workshop on 8/8/08 is sp

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread AJKock
Here is some "research" http://www.getelastic.com/registration-usability-tips-ecommerce/ I am trying to find the article which stated that "two email fields for verification should die". Will post here when I find it. Welcome to the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Brian Pirie
A question to ask is how often do people actually complete the form with an incorrect email address? If it's quite rare, and as you indicate the email address is not an essential part of the task, then it seems like an unnecessary burden to place on all users to accommodate an edge case. By the wa

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Pieter Jansegers
I do believe they are some statistics on this. I came across a site telling me the percentage of people making typos (in the form: "you wouldn't believe it, but up to ...% of people get this wrong") - sorry I don't recall the percentage nor the site; I believe it to be a social site (like that's t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What do your prototypes look like?

2008-06-06 Thread dunx_bee
Oleg Krupnov wrote: > > Do your prototypes look like clickable wireframes or do you skin them in > graphic design to imitate the final product look? > My prototypes look like all of the above my workflow if typically paper -> wireframe -> rendered UI I work on the interaction all the way th

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Perception of light / relative brightness

2008-06-06 Thread Bruce Esrig
How many levels to count on may depend primarily on what you expect to do with the medium, and what its capabilities are. With regard to contrast in the brightness dimension, Ansel Adams based his zone system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_system) on a comparison between the capabilities of fi

[IxDA Discuss] [Event] Design by Fire conference: call for participation

2008-06-06 Thread Yohan Creemers | Ylab
The Design By Fire conference in the Netherlands strives to be the incubator for the newest ideas on interaction design. Last year's conference was a success, with a great keynote presented by Andrei Herasimchuk. Preparations for the second Design by Fire conference have started. The date is

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Forms: One vs Two Email fields

2008-06-06 Thread Yohan Creemers
I%u2019ve no scientific research either, but when I observed users filling in a form with two email fields, I saw several times that people filled out the first field correctly, got annoyed with the fact that they had to retype their address and made a typo in the second field as a result of that.